AXV: TRADE DISCUSSION (2015/16)

[Ricochet]

Some are complaining just because they were beaten by offers and yeh whinging in regards to "precedents being set". The only precedent that has been set is that if a trade is fair then it passes. Its the same in any comp. Personally I have only ever seen one trade blocked for the sake of the competition, and that was Worlds, not Asians.

For what its worth, Adamant smashed that deal imo.
Walker isn't a premo, neither is Ibbotson. Boomer is on the decline and only has one year left. Boyd and NRoo are guns but one year left. Who knows they may do a SJ and drop off too. JB has done well to get Lecca though

Not once did I say he didn't so dont go reading too much into my comments. I only made a comment because JB can not be blamed for making this trade. A precedent has been set (rightly or wrongly - doesnt concern me at all) and rules and guidelines in regards to trades are clear. The point I and Nostra are trying to make is that, even when a trade is fair, should the trade still need to be looked at with the comp's integrity at stake.

yeh my initial post wasn't directed at you Rids.

Your initial one might not have been but the second one definitely was!

Because i honestly don't see how it hurts the integrity of the comp.  JB has given up some big name kids for those boys.

If ppl wanted Adamants boys they needed to pay more. Its simple

You are an admin. To publicly say that people are whinging when they share an opinion that you dont share is not the way to do things mate. If there needs to be clarity then take it off line like Colli used to. I dont want to go further off on a tangent as this is not the reason why I commented in the first place.

The reason was that I feel having a go at the 2 parties involved in a trade is not a good thing by anyone. Agreed trades are announced and then it goes to the trade process the majority voted for. If people think that the trade is unfair then they are free to share their views as members and coaches of the comp. But it should not be directed at the coaches involved in the trade.

Admin or not I will always protect this comp because it is the best comp, with the best coaches invovled. So when people suggest something negative about the way it is run (which whether you meant to or not is a direct link to BB and myself) then I will jump in straight away and defend it. Because stuff like this snowballs on here, everyone knows that.

[Nige]

Because stuff like this snowballs on here, everyone knows that.

You can say that again.

[PowerBug]

JB is gonna be cooked in 2017 ;D

[elephants]

For the record, just because someone is an admin doesn't mean they can't encourage coaches to move on once a trade has been sent through and confirmed. Come on guys, stop... errr... whinging... voicing opinions repeatedly and lets get back on track.

[kilbluff1985]

i'm just annoyed they didn't wait until the new coach was announced like i suggested so they could make an offer


poor coaching to do this

[JBs-Hawks]

Unfortunately the precedent has been set. No one should be blaming JB for going out and doing what has been considered acceptable previously. JB has given quality kids in this trade with huge futures. On the flip side there are a couple of older guys that have 1 year left.

I am not a fan of it at all as it makes the comp less competitive when 1 team lands so many. But these trades have passed continually in the past so it is what it is.

I don't have a problem with the trade, but I do have a problem with the fact it is JB doing it. JB was completely off his nut last year and still is now about the trade I did last year, so really if my trade really was that bad that we may as well end the world, why the flower is he ripping someone else off so much.

flowering double standards.

Why shouldnt JB do it? He spoke up against this happening and every time the trade was passed. He is only doing what is now allowed.

If you're still giving someone shower over a trade that wasn't that bad a year after it happened you shouldn't go and do the same kind of trade. It's double standards. How come Im not allowed to give my good players to toga, but JB is allowed to take Adas players off him.

Adapt or die!

Plus you were allowed to trade all your good players to toga. Difference here is I am actually given up high quality youth.

[Ricochet]

If you're after defedners
Malceski, Burgoyne, Enright, Dal Santo, Rosa, Savage, Wellingham are either definite defenders or have a chance of defensive status. Some only have a year or two left but can still score premo numbers.

Can package them up with each other or anyone else in our side really.

Mainly interested in fwds, and or youth

[BB67th]

The trade is surely a contentious one, and I will be having a more in-depth look at it tomorrow.

I believe that all coaches have the right to express their own opinions on trades, that is definitely a right all should have. However, I do feel that if coaches are worried about how trades might affect the integrity of the competition, they could have voted to give themselves more power in this respect in the recent rules voting. I do also realise that quite a few coaches did vote for one of these options, but they were ultimately overruled by the majority which wanted trade approval to remain squarely in the hands of the admins.

In this regard, I am all for coaches expressing their opinions on trades, but I hope we will all be able to move on once a decision has been reached on them.

[nas]

UAE Tigers.

ON THE CHOPPING BLOCK: (Likely to delist or throw in to sweeten a deal)

Blaine Johnson, Brenden Abbott, Tom Downie, Jordan Cunico, Mason Cox, (Jason Winderlich Retired)

ON THE TABLE: (Looking to trade this player for a fair deal)

Tom Bellchambers, Will Minson, Majak Daw, Zac O'Brien, Matt McDonough, Clancee Pearce, Sean Dempster, Courtney Dempsey, Daniel Butler, Jackson Merrett, Ted Richards, Tom Lee, Kieran Harper

COULD BE PERSUADED: (Would need a ripper deal to let these players go)

Dane Swan, David Zaharakis, JRoo, Travis Cloke, Daniel Rich,

UNTOUCHABLE: (Not available for trade no way no how), "BUT NEVER SAY NEVER"

Brett Deledio, Dustin Martin, Stefan Martin, Mitch Wallis, Jack Ziebell, Brendon Goddard, Luke Hodge, David Mundy, Shaun Higgins, Shaun Grigg, Andrew Swallow, Nathan Jones, Grant Birchall, Shaun McKernan, Josh Gibson, Daniel Talia, Shannon Hurn, Jarrod Harbrow, Ryan Bastinac, Farren Ray, Nathan Krakouer, Ryan Griffen.

DRAFT PICKS: (Draft picks available for trade) At this stage: None

TARGET PLAYERS

Defenders:

Midfielders:

Ruckmen:

Forwards:

Draft Picks:

[tbagrocks]

FYI I do not wish to trade any of our recent draftees like Sheed or Brayshaw! We draft for a reason so please don't ask, ty

[kilbluff1985]

FYI I do not wish to trade any of our recent draftees like Sheed or Brayshaw! We draft for a reason so please don't ask, ty

can we get Brayshaw and Sheed off you?

[Rusty00]

Have had some interest in Curnow, Blair and Laidler from different people so if you have any interest let me know :)

[Adamant]

Hey lads, we'll be looking to go through a bit of a rebuild this off-season, and as a result we have a few guys available that aren't in our future plans but still have a few good seasons left in them.

Matthew Boyd - will get def status
Garrick Ibbotson
Lachlan Hansen
Paul Duffield
Sam Mitchell
Aaron Sandilands
Nick Riewoldt
Mark LeCras
Brent Harvey
Andrew Walker - def/fwd next year

[Nige]

The Longer + Hickey has attracted a good deal and will be out the door by the end of the day if we don't get a better offer.  :)

[nas]

Been a tad of interest in Tom Downie. Will look at all offers.