Think it's about time we got a thread started with less than a month to go before the season opener!
What a season last year's was, here's a recap to get you excited. We saw the Bulls' "unbreakable" record of 72-10 broken by the Warriors. The Spurs also had a historic regular season, boasting one of the best defenses we have ever seen. However this wasn't enough to overcome the unbelievable duo in Oklahoma City. That duo took a 3-1 lead over the Warriors, however weren't able to close it out largely thanks to an incredible Klay Thompson performance in game 6. Who could forget the regular season game in Oklahoma City that those two teams played too! I certainly was looking forward to seeing an amazing rivalry between those teams for years to come... Then came the finals, with the title favourite Golden State Warriors taking a 3-1 lead with two games left on their home floor. Season over, right? Wrong. In game 4, Draymond Green just couldn't help himself and was finally given the suspension that so many thought he deserved in the Oklahoma City series. This gave Cleveland some hope, with LeBron and Kyrie both dropping 41 in game 5 and sending the season back to Cleveland. In game 6 LeBron again dropped 41, taking the series to a game 7 in Golden State. It was there that Draymond Green redeemed himself with one of the best finals performances ever, 32 points @ 73%, 15 rebounds, 9 assists (no one remembers this performance!). However this was not enough, from the Kyrie Three, to The Block it was the Cavs' night and LeBron got to deliver a championship to Cleveland.
And then the off-season... DWAYNE WADE PLAYS FOR THE BULLS WHAT THE F! So yeah, Dwayne Wade plays for the Bulls.. I don't get it either. But that was somewhat overshadowed by the Warriors getting Kevin Durant. Ugh. As I've said, I have no problems with Durant choosing the Warriors, who wouldn't have, but from a basketball fan perspective it really does disrupt the competitive balance of the league. I just can't see anyone beating them, but we shall see.
We also saw the retirements of 3 greats, Kobe Bryant, Kevin Garnett and Tim Duncan. Duncan there's no words to describe, I have him as a top 5 player ever. Kobe obviously amazing and I still can't get over his final game, but anyone who has him over Duncan needs to stop talking basketball, I personally only have him ever so slightly above KG. All are modern day greats.
How about this season though! Golden State are obviously the favourites, but there are still some very good teams, Clippers, Spurs and Cleveland to name a few. Who do you think will be the biggest threat? The east is looking interesting this year, but will anyone be able to challenge Cleveland? Boston won 48 games and have replaced Sullinger with Al Horford, will they be a threat or perhaps just a very good regular season team? There's set to be some big movers out West too, will the young cores of Utah and Minnesota live up to the hype? The Knicks and Pacers were both busy in the off-season but will these short-term fixes be worthwhile? Russel Westbrook is set to go nuts, but will it be enough to keep OKC in the playoffs? Can disappointing teams of last season who boast superstars, think Kings, Houston, Wizards and Pelicans bounce back?
Anything in particular you're looking forward to? How are you feeling about your team? Season predictions? Discuss it all here!
Predictions
NBA Finals: Golden State 4-1 over Cleveland
Western Finals: Golden State 4-1 over Clippers
Eastern Finals: Cleveland 4-2 over Boston
MVP: Kevin Durant
DPOY: Draymond Green
ROY: Joel Embiid
COY: President Brad Stevens
My 8 Best Bets: *odds taken from Sportsbet* *no particular order*
8. Detroit Pistons to win Central Division @ $26
7. Portland to not make the playoffs @ $2.90
6. Charlotte Hornets to make the playoffs @ $1.74
5. Grizzlies over 44.5 wins @ $1.87
4. Houston Rockets to make the playoffs @ $1.77
3. Westbrook to lead the league in scoring @ $3.20
2. Milwaukee under 37.5 wins @ $1.77
1. Utah Jazz to win Northwest Division @ $3
Biggest increase in wins from last season: Minnesota Timberwolves
Biggest increase in losses from last season: Miami Heat
Quote from: Jay on October 03, 2016, 11:40:56 PM
Predictions
MVP: PG13
DPOY: Kawhi
ROY: Brandon Ingram
COY: Pop
Biggest increase in wins from last season: NYK
Biggest increase in losses from last season: OKC
Reasonably certain your Boston angst is showing thru with the Heat to lose that many, we're gonna be young and exciting this year
Predictions
NBA Finals: Spurs 4 -2 over Cleveland
Western Finals: Spurs 4-3 over Warrirors
Eastern Finals: Cleveland 4-2 over Boston
MVP: Russel Westbrook
DPOY: Kawhii Leoanard
ROY: Joel Embiid
COY: Tom Thibodeau
MIP: Jabari Parker
Biggest increase in wins from last season: Minnesota Timberwolves
Biggest increase in losses from last season: Miami Heat - they lost Wade and Bosh I dont care how young and exciting there guys are
Bonus Tip: Milwukee Bucks will make the top 4 in the East.
Quote from: RiOtChEsS on October 05, 2016, 02:46:58 AM
Quote from: Jay on October 03, 2016, 11:40:56 PM
Predictions
MVP: PG13
DPOY: Kawhi
ROY: Brandon Ingram
COY: Pop
Biggest increase in wins from last season: NYK
Biggest increase in losses from last season: OKC
Reasonably certain your Boston angst is showing thru with the Heat to lose that many, we're gonna be young and exciting this year
If they had Bosh I'd agree with you, also think the Richardson injury hurts them plenty.
Just to get you warmed up. There seems to be a new dunk sherrif in town, check out DJ Stephens at #1 and #2. Also, Oldaipo got some hops!
http://dunkademics.com/2016/10/dj-stephens-soars-in-the-nbas-top-10-plays-from-monday-night/ (http://dunkademics.com/2016/10/dj-stephens-soars-in-the-nbas-top-10-plays-from-monday-night/)
Quote from: Jay on October 05, 2016, 10:29:25 AM
Quote from: RiOtChEsS on October 05, 2016, 02:46:58 AM
Quote from: Jay on October 03, 2016, 11:40:56 PM
Predictions
MVP: PG13
DPOY: Kawhi
ROY: Brandon Ingram
COY: Pop
Biggest increase in wins from last season: NYK
Biggest increase in losses from last season: OKC
Reasonably certain your Boston angst is showing thru with the Heat to lose that many, we're gonna be young and exciting this year
If they had Bosh I'd agree with you, also think the Richardson injury hurts them plenty.
be around 40 wins, we have depth at 2 and he will be ready for the start of the season, no surgery ;)
Dragic will average 18/6, Winslow will play PF and average 15/6, Whiteside average 18/12/3
Consistency of the rest of the roster will be the issue...
Quote from: RiOtChEsS on October 05, 2016, 12:11:31 PM
Quote from: Jay on October 05, 2016, 10:29:25 AM
Quote from: RiOtChEsS on October 05, 2016, 02:46:58 AM
Quote from: Jay on October 03, 2016, 11:40:56 PM
Predictions
MVP: PG13
DPOY: Kawhi
ROY: Brandon Ingram
COY: Pop
Biggest increase in wins from last season: NYK
Biggest increase in losses from last season: OKC
Reasonably certain your Boston angst is showing thru with the Heat to lose that many, we're gonna be young and exciting this year
If they had Bosh I'd agree with you, also think the Richardson injury hurts them plenty.
be around 40 wins, we have depth at 2 and he will be ready for the start of the season, no surgery ;)
Dragic will average 18/6, Winslow will play PF and average 15/6, Whiteside average 18/12/3
Consistency of the rest of the roster will be the issue...
should drop more then OKC will, the only reason they wont is if its a weak east.
you lose bosh who played 53/88 games putting up 19 points 7 rebounds
you lose wade who played 74/88 games putting up 19 points 4 rebounds 5 assists
you lose deng who played 74/88 games putting up 12 points 6 rebounds
Putting up 48 wins was a big effrot, so quite abit of room to fall.
The Thunder put up 55 so yeah there is a bigger room to fall.
yes they lost Durrant
72 games 28 points 8 ebounds 5 assists that huge
yes they lost Ibaka but he was having not the best year and I dont think that Adams and Ilyasova is too big a downgrade, especially with Kanter and the newly found Sabonis.
then to replace durrant they got Oladipo who with Westbrook is probably the most athletic 1-2 punch in the NBA. They should put up some crazy defense when they both switch on.
I like the thunder alot even without durrant.
Those holes leave opportunities for others, production will come from elsewhere, its how consistent we can be determining our record
when the final leg of your 9/1 multi is up 15 at the half and pull all their starters and lose by 20...
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Quote from: RiOtChEsS on October 05, 2016, 03:54:02 PM
Those holes leave opportunities for others, production will come from elsewhere, its how consistent we can be determining our record
James Ennis would've filled that hole nicely. :'( :'(
Placed my first bet, James Harden for MVP @ $16.
Can't find ROY markets, Buddy Hield would be my smoky bet.
Quote from: jvalles69 on October 05, 2016, 05:06:30 PM
Placed my first bet, James Harden for MVP @ $16.
Can't find ROY markets, Buddy Hield would be my smoky bet.
I quite like this. MVP is a tough one this year with two of the top 5 players on the one team, and LeBron to presumably care even less about the regular season than ever before. Harden is going to have the ball in his hands a lot, and in the D'Antoni system that offense is set to be elite. Could also see Houston winning enough games to push up into say the #4 seed.
My roughy is that this will finally be the year for CP3.
Quote from: Jay on October 05, 2016, 05:11:01 PM
Quote from: jvalles69 on October 05, 2016, 05:06:30 PM
Placed my first bet, James Harden for MVP @ $16.
Can't find ROY markets, Buddy Hield would be my smoky bet.
I quite like this. MVP is a tough one this year with two of the top 5 players on the one team, and LeBron to presumably care even less about the regular season than ever before. Harden is going to have the ball in his hands a lot, and in the D'Antoni system that offense is set to be elite. Could also see Houston winning enough games to push up into say the #4 seed.
My roughy is that this will finally be the year for CP3.
Harden also will be playing more PG this year, already averaging double figures in assists through pre season.
Quote from: Jay on October 05, 2016, 05:11:01 PM
Quote from: jvalles69 on October 05, 2016, 05:06:30 PM
Placed my first bet, James Harden for MVP @ $16.
Can't find ROY markets, Buddy Hield would be my smoky bet.
I quite like this. MVP is a tough one this year with two of the top 5 players on the one team, and LeBron to presumably care even less about the regular season than ever before. Harden is going to have the ball in his hands a lot, and in the D'Antoni system that offense is set to be elite. Could also see Houston winning enough games to push up into say the #4 seed.
My roughy is that this will finally be the year for CP3.
to be fair there has always been two of the top 5 players in one team.
Im taking Curry and Durrant out of the equation as first up I cant see them giving Curry 3 straight MVPs, especially considering they will probably regress from the 73 win season and now they can say he has Durrant on the squad.
Same reason for Durrant.
I think the Spurs will be very very good and the best player on that team is easily leonard. The question for him is despite being a superstar he doesnt really act like one so he has to get noticed. He wont talk trash or go out and drop 50 to show you he is the best.
Lebron doesnt care about the MVP and I think Irving will be the argubaly the best Cav in the home and awa as lebron drops his minutes. Plus this isnt the best player or award or lebron would have 10 straight.
Harden meh, dont rate the rockets and people all question his defense.
Westbrook has something to prove, explodes statisitcally, talks trash can drop 50 and he just lost durrant. If OKC can put up a decent number of wins and finish top 4 in the west then he kind of has to win it.
So in summary Leonard v Westbrook for me with their main competition Anthony Davis and Paul Georgre.
Quote from: jvalles69 on October 05, 2016, 05:06:30 PM
Placed my first bet, James Harden for MVP @ $16.
Can't find ROY markets, Buddy Hield would be my smoky bet.
Buddy Hield is the favourite :P
so not really a smokie.
Quote from: Holz on October 05, 2016, 06:02:32 PM
Quote from: jvalles69 on October 05, 2016, 05:06:30 PM
Placed my first bet, James Harden for MVP @ $16.
Can't find ROY markets, Buddy Hield would be my smoky bet.
Buddy Hield is the favourite :P
so not really a smokie.
Oh for real? I assumed Ingrams would be favourite!
Quote from: Holz on October 05, 2016, 06:01:32 PM
Quote from: Jay on October 05, 2016, 05:11:01 PM
Quote from: jvalles69 on October 05, 2016, 05:06:30 PM
Placed my first bet, James Harden for MVP @ $16.
Can't find ROY markets, Buddy Hield would be my smoky bet.
I quite like this. MVP is a tough one this year with two of the top 5 players on the one team, and LeBron to presumably care even less about the regular season than ever before. Harden is going to have the ball in his hands a lot, and in the D'Antoni system that offense is set to be elite. Could also see Houston winning enough games to push up into say the #4 seed.
My roughy is that this will finally be the year for CP3.
to be fair there has always been two of the top 5 players in one team.
Im taking Curry and Durrant out of the equation as first up I cant see them giving Curry 3 straight MVPs, especially considering they will probably regress from the 73 win season and now they can say he has Durrant on the squad.
Same reason for Durrant.
I think the Spurs will be very very good and the best player on that team is easily leonard. The question for him is despite being a superstar he doesnt really act like one so he has to get noticed. He wont talk trash or go out and drop 50 to show you he is the best.
Lebron doesnt care about the MVP and I think Irving will be the argubaly the best Cav in the home and awa as lebron drops his minutes. Plus this isnt the best player or award or lebron would have 10 straight.
Harden meh, dont rate the rockets and people all question his defense.
Westbrook has something to prove, explodes statisitcally, talks trash can drop 50 and he just lost durrant. If OKC can put up a decent number of wins and finish top 4 in the west then he kind of has to win it.
So in summary Leonard v Westbrook for me with their main competition Anthony Davis and Paul Georgre.
Good point with Leonard, I agree with you. I think it's likely that he is deserving of the MVP but doesn't get enough votes because defense still isn't recognised like it should be and might not have the raw scoring numbers of some of the other stars.
Quote from: jvalles69 on October 05, 2016, 06:17:32 PM
Quote from: Holz on October 05, 2016, 06:02:32 PM
Quote from: jvalles69 on October 05, 2016, 05:06:30 PM
Placed my first bet, James Harden for MVP @ $16.
Can't find ROY markets, Buddy Hield would be my smoky bet.
Buddy Hield is the favourite :P
so not really a smokie.
Oh for real? I assumed Ingrams would be favourite!
I presumed Embiid would be a short-priced favourite! Not high on Hield or Ingram this season.
If you didn't see my post in the NBL thread, Sydney Kings are in talks with Nate Robinson coming to play a season in Oz!
Quote from: RiOtChEsS on October 05, 2016, 04:32:33 PM
when the final leg of your 9/1 multi is up 15 at the half and pull all their starters and lose by 20...
(https://cecilymichelle.files.wordpress.com/2015/07/kevin-hart-mad-face.jpg?w=620)
Did you bet on the Kings against Lakers in todays pre-season game.
Quote from: valkorum on October 05, 2016, 07:18:57 PM
Quote from: RiOtChEsS on October 05, 2016, 04:32:33 PM
when the final leg of your 9/1 multi is up 15 at the half and pull all their starters and lose by 20...
(https://cecilymichelle.files.wordpress.com/2015/07/kevin-hart-mad-face.jpg?w=620)
Did you bet on the Kings against Lakers in todays pre-season game.
Yep, Rockets, Pacers, Kings
Quote from: RiOtChEsS on October 05, 2016, 07:56:24 PM
Quote from: valkorum on October 05, 2016, 07:18:57 PM
Quote from: RiOtChEsS on October 05, 2016, 04:32:33 PM
when the final leg of your 9/1 multi is up 15 at the half and pull all their starters and lose by 20...
(https://cecilymichelle.files.wordpress.com/2015/07/kevin-hart-mad-face.jpg?w=620)
Did you bet on the Kings against Lakers in todays pre-season game.
Yep, Rockets, Pacers, Kings
:(
bad luck mate ...
i'm happy ... Suns beat Spurs!!! ;D
#itsonlypreseason ;)
Quote from: j959 on October 05, 2016, 08:02:02 PM
Quote from: RiOtChEsS on October 05, 2016, 07:56:24 PM
Quote from: valkorum on October 05, 2016, 07:18:57 PM
Quote from: RiOtChEsS on October 05, 2016, 04:32:33 PM
when the final leg of your 9/1 multi is up 15 at the half and pull all their starters and lose by 20...
(https://cecilymichelle.files.wordpress.com/2015/07/kevin-hart-mad-face.jpg?w=620)
Did you bet on the Kings against Lakers in todays pre-season game.
Yep, Rockets, Pacers, Kings
:(
bad luck mate ...
i'm happy ... Suns beat Spurs!!! ;D
#itsonlypreseason ;)
yeah i generally dont bet preseason but ive been riding high on dogs n sharks ;D
JoJo (http://content.boards.philadelphiaeagles.com/emoticons/default_worthy.gif)
You could have asked me before the game. The plan was always to play the 2nd team for a fair portion of the game.
Exum hyper-extended his knee in today's game. He sat the 2nd half. Haven't heard anything further
Quote from: valkorum on October 06, 2016, 06:43:45 PM
Exum hyper-extended his knee in today's game. He sat the 2nd half. Haven't heard anything further
we (Phoenix) lost to Jazz ... *sad panda* :( ;)
#itsonlypreseason
hope Exum is ok ... :-X :P
Quote from: jvalles69 on October 05, 2016, 05:06:30 PM
Placed my first bet, James Harden for MVP @ $16.
Can't find ROY markets, Buddy Hield would be my smoky bet.
Get on Dario 'The Homie' Saric. Embiid and Jah will be on minute restrictions early and no Simmons for three months means that Saric is the starting power forward in that team and should play big minutes. He is going to stuff the stat sheet and shoots the ball well from 3.
JoJo is legit.
MCW traded for Tony Snell (http://content.boards.philadelphiaeagles.com/emoticons/default_sideroll.gif)
Makes what Philly got in return for MCW a couple of seasons ago look even more amazing. Can't wait to see Rondo, MCW, Wade, Butler, Lopez clogging up the paint together! Bulls trying to build a team out of the early 80s?
Quote from: Jay on October 17, 2016, 01:19:40 PM
MCW traded for Tony Snell (http://content.boards.philadelphiaeagles.com/emoticons/default_sideroll.gif)
Makes what Philly got in return for MCW a couple of seasons ago look even more amazing. Can't wait to see Rondo, MCW, Wade, Butler, Lopez clogging up the paint together! Bulls trying to build a team out of the early 80s?
theres a 3pt line :o ;D
a trade rumor from Basketball Insiders' Michael Scotto, who reported Tuesday that the Heat and Sacramento Kings have discussed swapping Dragic for forward Rudy Gay and guard Darren Collison. From the Kings' perspective, this makes perfect sense: Gay wants out and reportedly likes the idea of going to Miami, and Dragic would be a massive upgrade at their weakest position.
insert vomit here :'(
Quote from: RiOtChEsS on October 20, 2016, 08:23:54 PM
a trade rumor from Basketball Insiders' Michael Scotto, who reported Tuesday that the Heat and Sacramento Kings have discussed swapping Dragic for forward Rudy Gay and guard Darren Collison. From the Kings' perspective, this makes perfect sense: Gay wants out and reportedly likes the idea of going to Miami, and Dragic would be a massive upgrade at their weakest position.
insert vomit here :'(
Nah Miami aren't that stupid!
Quote from: Jay on October 20, 2016, 10:41:10 PM
Quote from: RiOtChEsS on October 20, 2016, 08:23:54 PM
a trade rumor from Basketball Insiders' Michael Scotto, who reported Tuesday that the Heat and Sacramento Kings have discussed swapping Dragic for forward Rudy Gay and guard Darren Collison. From the Kings' perspective, this makes perfect sense: Gay wants out and reportedly likes the idea of going to Miami, and Dragic would be a massive upgrade at their weakest position.
insert vomit here :'(
Nah Miami aren't that stupid!
Would damage the development of Winslow and others as well as limit the upside of Whiteside #wewouldbeshower
I heard this one the other day. As good as Dragic is, I think Kings would be giving up way too much if they gave up Gay and Collison. Collison is due for a breakout year (IMO). This will be the first time he is the #1 PG.
Another rumour thats been circulating is Gay for Rubio. I would take that over Gay/Collison for Dragic
Quote from: valkorum on October 20, 2016, 11:17:35 PM
I heard this one the other day. As good as Dragic is, I think Kings would be giving up way too much if they gave up Gay and Collison. Collison is due for a breakout year (IMO). This will be the first time he is the #1 PG.
Another rumour thats been circulating is Gay for Rubio. I would take that over Gay/Collison for Dragic
I dont like it for Miami, we need to develop Winslow, Richardson etc, bringing in an iso guy at the same position hurts them 10fold
Quote from: valkorum on October 20, 2016, 11:17:35 PM
I heard this one the other day. As good as Dragic is, I think Kings would be giving up way too much if they gave up Gay and Collison. Collison is due for a breakout year (IMO). This will be the first time he is the #1 PG.
Another rumour thats been circulating is Gay for Rubio. I would take that over Gay/Collison for Dragic
Collison breakout year? You're kidding right? His breakout was meant to be when CP3 left the Hornets which he was starting PG...then he left for Indiana to be their starting PG...both failed miserably. He is best and most dangerous when coming off the bench as the back up PG and that's been the case throughout his career, all efforts at starting have been mediocre. I really like the guy, but he's not having a breakout 7 years into his career. It's off to a horrible start too considering he is suspended for the first 8 games giving Ty Lawson (way better than Collison, has just flowered up a lot) a chance to steal the starting gig, Boogie loves Lawson. Best he will see at the Kings is a time share with Lawson and Temple. He'd have more opportunity at the Heat, but is a massive downgrade from Dragic.
Let's NBA
Why is there only games on the opening night then 10 the following night? Surely open with a bang?!
Quote from: jvalles69 on October 21, 2016, 12:20:05 PM
Quote from: valkorum on October 20, 2016, 11:17:35 PM
I heard this one the other day. As good as Dragic is, I think Kings would be giving up way too much if they gave up Gay and Collison. Collison is due for a breakout year (IMO). This will be the first time he is the #1 PG.
Another rumour thats been circulating is Gay for Rubio. I would take that over Gay/Collison for Dragic
Collison breakout year? You're kidding right? His breakout was meant to be when CP3 left the Hornets which he was starting PG...then he left for Indiana to be their starting PG...both failed miserably. He is best and most dangerous when coming off the bench as the back up PG and that's been the case throughout his career, all efforts at starting have been mediocre. I really like the guy, but he's not having a breakout 7 years into his career. It's off to a horrible start too considering he is suspended for the first 8 games giving Ty Lawson (way better than Collison, has just flowered up a lot) a chance to steal the starting gig, Boogie loves Lawson. Best he will see at the Kings is a time share with Lawson and Temple. He'd have more opportunity at the Heat, but is a massive downgrade from Dragic.
Collison will be the #1 PG at Kings this season. Ok, maybe the wrong word (breakout)... but he can average 15 and 6 as a starter (he did in 2015 from 45 games - all starts)
You would be very happy for your starting PG to average 15 + 6, then with Lawson coming off the bench or even playing together (which they did in pre-season games).
Quote from: valkorum on October 25, 2016, 05:24:44 PM
Quote from: jvalles69 on October 21, 2016, 12:20:05 PM
Quote from: valkorum on October 20, 2016, 11:17:35 PM
I heard this one the other day. As good as Dragic is, I think Kings would be giving up way too much if they gave up Gay and Collison. Collison is due for a breakout year (IMO). This will be the first time he is the #1 PG.
Another rumour thats been circulating is Gay for Rubio. I would take that over Gay/Collison for Dragic
Collison breakout year? You're kidding right? His breakout was meant to be when CP3 left the Hornets which he was starting PG...then he left for Indiana to be their starting PG...both failed miserably. He is best and most dangerous when coming off the bench as the back up PG and that's been the case throughout his career, all efforts at starting have been mediocre. I really like the guy, but he's not having a breakout 7 years into his career. It's off to a horrible start too considering he is suspended for the first 8 games giving Ty Lawson (way better than Collison, has just flowered up a lot) a chance to steal the starting gig, Boogie loves Lawson. Best he will see at the Kings is a time share with Lawson and Temple. He'd have more opportunity at the Heat, but is a massive downgrade from Dragic.
Collison will be the #1 PG at Kings this season. Ok, maybe the wrong word (breakout)... but he can average 15 and 6 as a starter (he did in 2015 from 45 games - all starts)
You would be very happy for your starting PG to average 15 + 6, then with Lawson coming off the bench or even playing together (which they did in pre-season games).
That makes more sense, you can't breakout from numbers you've already been producing, lol! Lawson will be balling these first 8 games though and at their best I'd rather have Lawson starting, will be interesting to see if he can keep focused, was an absolute star for a few years at Denver.
Quote from: jvalles69 on October 25, 2016, 06:21:23 PM
That makes more sense, you can't breakout from numbers you've already been producing, lol! Lawson will be balling these first 8 games though and at their best I'd rather have Lawson starting, will be interesting to see if he can keep focused, was an absolute star for a few years at Denver.
It would still be a "breakout" in that everyone sees him as a #2 PG off the bench. Where his job is to score quickly, lets see if he can maintain a 15 + 6 as a starter.
Quote from: valkorum on October 25, 2016, 07:33:56 PM
Quote from: jvalles69 on October 25, 2016, 06:21:23 PM
That makes more sense, you can't breakout from numbers you've already been producing, lol! Lawson will be balling these first 8 games though and at their best I'd rather have Lawson starting, will be interesting to see if he can keep focused, was an absolute star for a few years at Denver.
It would still be a "breakout" in that everyone sees him as a #2 PG off the bench. Where his job is to score quickly, lets see if he can maintain a 15 + 6 as a starter.
15-16 30mins 14pts 4.3ass
14-15 35mins 16pts 5.6ass
13-14 26mins 11pts 3.7ass
12-13 29mins 12pts 5.1ass
11-12 31mins 10pts 4.8ass
10-11 30mins 13pts 5.1ass
09-10 28mins 12pts 5.7ass
You're quoting close to his career stats, stop using the term breakout. :P
Levi's Season Predictions:
MVP: Stephen Curry
Rookie of the Year: Brandon Ingram
DOPY: Kawhi Leonard
Most Improved: Devon Booker
6th Man: Stanley Johnson
Coach: Earl Watson (Phoenix)
West Standings:
1: Warriors
2: Spurs
3: Clippers
4: OKC
5: Suns
6: Blazers
7: Pelicans
8: Timberwolves
East Standings:
1: Cavs
2: Knicks
3: Celtics
4: Toronto
5: Pacers
6: Atlanta
7: Chicago
8: Detroit
Finals: Warriors defeat Cavaliers (4-1)
Feel free to steal my template if you wish :)
Ty Lawson ;D
Some of the excuses people are making as to why the Warriors won't win it are pretty hilarious.
"They can't rebound"
Well they have close to an above average rebounder at every position. Durant is an excellent rebounder for a SF, Curry an excellent one for a PG and Draymond a good one for a PF. Then Pachulia and David West are solid.
"They sacrificed way too much depth in order to get Durant"
This one is the most absurd. They lost Harrison Barnes who is shooting just over 20% this pre-season but replaced him with Kevin Durant. They lost Bogut and Ezeli but replaced them with Pachulia and David West. Then you still have arguably the two best 6th men in the game, Livingston and Igoudala. I actually think their bench could be better this season and right up there in the league.
Warriors probably will win but there weakness is steph curry has never had a superstar playoffs, he has disapointed every year. Durrant has been better but has never won a ring. Anyrhing less then a ring is a failure so mass pressure.
On the other hand cavs have one of the best players ever who has had his down moments but for the last 5 years has been fantastic in the finals, particulary the last 2 years with back to back mvp peformances. Kyrie has done what durrant curry haven't.
Play like a superstar in finals and not only not regret from his regular season, take it up a notch. If he is healthy he will beat curry in the finals.
Durrants krypronite is lebron.
Im rolling with the cavs. we just need tt love to show up
Im going with anyone not Cleveland or Golden State :P
Quote from: RiOtChEsS on October 26, 2016, 10:01:46 AM
Im going with anyone not Cleveland or Golden State :P
Who of Cleveland and Golden State are more likely to
miss the finals? I think the Warriors have tougher competition, the Clipps and Spurs will be good as always. But if Boston fire they might be able to push Cleveland, don't think anyone else can.
Quote from: Jay on October 26, 2016, 10:21:52 AM
Quote from: RiOtChEsS on October 26, 2016, 10:01:46 AM
Im going with anyone not Cleveland or Golden State :P
Who of Cleveland and Golden State are more likely to miss the finals? I think the Warriors have tougher competition, the Clipps and Spurs will be good as always. But if Boston fire they might be able to push Cleveland, don't think anyone else can.
yeah you are right, the law of averages suggest LBJ finally has a semi serious injury with the accumulative wear and tear, his age and the fact he has never really suffered anything serious is incredible, he is overdue and that team is just above average without him
Quote from: RiOtChEsS on October 26, 2016, 10:36:37 AM
Quote from: Jay on October 26, 2016, 10:21:52 AM
Quote from: RiOtChEsS on October 26, 2016, 10:01:46 AM
Im going with anyone not Cleveland or Golden State :P
Who of Cleveland and Golden State are more likely to miss the finals? I think the Warriors have tougher competition, the Clipps and Spurs will be good as always. But if Boston fire they might be able to push Cleveland, don't think anyone else can.
yeah you are right, the law of averages suggest LBJ finally has a semi serious injury with the accumulative wear and tear, his age and the fact he has never really suffered anything serious is incredible, he is overdue and that team is just above average without him
Lebron has his best supporting cast ever and they will let him rest up in the regular season. it all hinges on Irving's health not Lebron if irving is healthy he will be the best player he has ever played with and i guy who could actually win the MVP. remember he is only 24 years old.
MVP: James Harden
Rookie of the Year: Joel Embiid
DPOY: Kawhi Leonard
Most Improved: Devon Booker
6th Man: Ersan Ilyasova
Coach: Nate McMillan (Indiana)
West Standings:
1: Warriors
2: Spurs
3: Clippers
4: Blazers
5: Rockets
6: Thunder
7: Twolves
8: Pelicans
East Standings:
1: Cavs
2: Pacers
3: Raptors
4: Hawks
5: Bulls
6: Celtics
7: Wizards
8: Bucks
Finals: Warriors defeat Cavaliers (4-3)
East is way tougher to pick, so many mid/low tier teams who could make it. Heat, Pistons, Knicks unlucky.
1. Warriors
2. Spurs
3. Clippers
4. Jazz
5. Trailblazers
6. Rockets
7. Thunder
8. Grizzlies
1. Cavaliers
2. Celtics
3. Raptors
4. Hornets
5. Hawks
6. Pacers
7. Pistons
8. Wizards
Knicks coming back hard here
Then completely blown out.
The cavs big 3 looking real good, particulary Irving after a slow start. When he is hot i cant see them losing
went fromt 2-10 shooting to hitting 7/8
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Quote from: RiOtChEsS on October 26, 2016, 10:36:37 AM
Quote from: Jay on October 26, 2016, 10:21:52 AM
Quote from: RiOtChEsS on October 26, 2016, 10:01:46 AM
Im going with anyone not Cleveland or Golden State :P
Who of Cleveland and Golden State are more likely to miss the finals? I think the Warriors have tougher competition, the Clipps and Spurs will be good as always. But if Boston fire they might be able to push Cleveland, don't think anyone else can.
yeah you are right, the law of averages suggest LBJ finally has a semi serious injury with the accumulative wear and tear, his age and the fact he has never really suffered anything serious is incredible, he is overdue and that team is just above average without him
just alluding to the fact he is well overdue for an injury, practically unheard of to be this elite and this durable in this game
Lebron has his best supporting cast ever and they will let him rest up in the regular season. it all hinges on Irving's health not Lebron if irving is healthy he will be the best player he has ever played with and i guy who could actually win the MVP. remember he is only 24 years old.
Irving should play for the Boomers just quietly
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Quote from: Holz on October 26, 2016, 11:13:59 AM
Quote from: RiOtChEsS on October 26, 2016, 10:36:37 AM
Quote from: Jay on October 26, 2016, 10:21:52 AM
Quote from: RiOtChEsS on October 26, 2016, 10:01:46 AM
Im going with anyone not Cleveland or Golden State :P
Who of Cleveland and Golden State are more likely to miss the finals? I think the Warriors have tougher competition, the Clipps and Spurs will be good as always. But if Boston fire they might be able to push Cleveland, don't think anyone else can.
yeah you are right, the law of averages suggest LBJ finally has a semi serious injury with the accumulative wear and tear, his age and the fact he has never really suffered anything serious is incredible, he is overdue and that team is just above average without him
just alluding to the fact he is well overdue for an injury, practically unheard of to be this elite and this durable in this game
Lebron has his best supporting cast ever and they will let him rest up in the regular season. it all hinges on Irving's health not Lebron if irving is healthy he will be the best player he has ever played with and i guy who could actually win the MVP. remember he is only 24 years old.
Lebron's an outlier, his greatest strength is his durability, hes a big boy who takes care of his body and realistically his risk of getting injured is far less given he can rest and he has Kyrie to actually score the ball.
Lebron will rack up the assists and driving and dishing out or passing the ball off is alot less risky then actually driving to the rim for a layup or dunk.
Quote from: Holz on October 26, 2016, 01:28:09 PM
Quote from: RiOtChEsS on October 26, 2016, 01:21:37 PM
Quote from: Holz on October 26, 2016, 11:13:59 AM
Quote from: RiOtChEsS on October 26, 2016, 10:36:37 AM
Quote from: Jay on October 26, 2016, 10:21:52 AM
Quote from: RiOtChEsS on October 26, 2016, 10:01:46 AM
Im going with anyone not Cleveland or Golden State :P
Who of Cleveland and Golden State are more likely to miss the finals? I think the Warriors have tougher competition, the Clipps and Spurs will be good as always. But if Boston fire they might be able to push Cleveland, don't think anyone else can.
yeah you are right, the law of averages suggest LBJ finally has a semi serious injury with the accumulative wear and tear, his age and the fact he has never really suffered anything serious is incredible, he is overdue and that team is just above average without him
just alluding to the fact he is well overdue for an injury, practically unheard of to be this elite and this durable in this game
Lebron has his best supporting cast ever and they will let him rest up in the regular season. it all hinges on Irving's health not Lebron if irving is healthy he will be the best player he has ever played with and i guy who could actually win the MVP. remember he is only 24 years old.
Lebron's an outlier, his greatest strength is his durability, hes a big boy who takes care of his body and realistically his risk of getting injured is far less given he can rest and he has Kyrie to actually score the ball.
Lebron will rack up the assists and driving and dishing out or passing the ball off is alot less risky then actually driving to the rim for a layup or dunk.
More impressive is it looks like Love has taken the confidence from last years finals and could be back to his double double best! :o Guy killed Curry when switched onto him in D last finals!
Lebron with a massive trip dub to kick off the season. :o Was against the Knicks, but just proves the guy can do as he pleases when he wants.
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Quote from: RiOtChEsS on October 26, 2016, 10:36:37 AM
Quote from: Jay on October 26, 2016, 10:21:52 AM
Quote from: RiOtChEsS on October 26, 2016, 10:01:46 AM
Im going with anyone not Cleveland or Golden State :P
Who of Cleveland and Golden State are more likely to miss the finals? I think the Warriors have tougher competition, the Clipps and Spurs will be good as always. But if Boston fire they might be able to push Cleveland, don't think anyone else can.
yeah you are right, the law of averages suggest LBJ finally has a semi serious injury with the accumulative wear and tear, his age and the fact he has never really suffered anything serious is incredible, he is overdue and that team is just above average without him
just alluding to the fact he is well overdue for an injury, practically unheard of to be this elite and this durable in this game
Lebron has his best supporting cast ever and they will let him rest up in the regular season. it all hinges on Irving's health not Lebron if irving is healthy he will be the best player he has ever played with and i guy who could actually win the MVP. remember he is only 24 years old.
Lebron's an outlier, his greatest strength is his durability, hes a big boy who takes care of his body and realistically his risk of getting injured is far less given he can rest and he has Kyrie to actually score the ball.
Lebron will rack up the assists and driving and dishing out or passing the ball off is alot less risky then actually driving to the rim for a layup or dunk.
More impressive is it looks like Love has taken the confidence from last years finals and could be back to his double double best! :o Guy killed Curry when switched onto him in D last finals!
I think it's best to assume that this will never happen again.
weve all seen how random injuries are, Curry's knee off a slip last year, random...
I doubt there has been a superstar in the history of the NBA who didnt tear a hamstring or roll an ankle badly (off the top of my head)
I could be wrong and im not "hoping" it happens, it's just how it is, isnt it?
Karl Malone is literally the exception to the theory, dude was an Ironhorse
So of the greats i just looked up, all have had seasons where they have missed over 20 games at least once
Like i said he is due to have some trouble
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Quote from: Jay on October 26, 2016, 10:21:52 AM
Quote from: RiOtChEsS on October 26, 2016, 10:01:46 AM
Im going with anyone not Cleveland or Golden State :P
Who of Cleveland and Golden State are more likely to miss the finals? I think the Warriors have tougher competition, the Clipps and Spurs will be good as always. But if Boston fire they might be able to push Cleveland, don't think anyone else can.
yeah you are right, the law of averages suggest LBJ finally has a semi serious injury with the accumulative wear and tear, his age and the fact he has never really suffered anything serious is incredible, he is overdue and that team is just above average without him
just alluding to the fact he is well overdue for an injury, practically unheard of to be this elite and this durable in this game
Lebron has his best supporting cast ever and they will let him rest up in the regular season. it all hinges on Irving's health not Lebron if irving is healthy he will be the best player he has ever played with and i guy who could actually win the MVP. remember he is only 24 years old.
Lebron's an outlier, his greatest strength is his durability, hes a big boy who takes care of his body and realistically his risk of getting injured is far less given he can rest and he has Kyrie to actually score the ball.
Lebron will rack up the assists and driving and dishing out or passing the ball off is alot less risky then actually driving to the rim for a layup or dunk.
More impressive is it looks like Love has taken the confidence from last years finals and could be back to his double double best! :o Guy killed Curry when switched onto him in D last finals!
I think it's best to assume that this will never happen again.
Prob not, but it might've been enough to awake him for this season, if so Cavs are going to be tough to beat.
Fair bit of pressure on GSW to get out the gate with a win...
imagine the mini shower storm if the lose by 10+
Quote from: RiOtChEsS on October 26, 2016, 02:08:34 PM
Karl Malone is literally the exception to the theory, dude was an Ironhorse
So of the greats i just looked up, all have had seasons where they have missed over 20 games at least once
Like i said he is due to have some trouble
Karl Malone was prob the guy in that era that took care of his body the most. Did you check out Ray Allen at all? I know he's mad about treating his body like a temple, can't recall him missing significant time off the top of my head due to injury?
Quote from: jvalles69 on October 26, 2016, 02:42:37 PM
Quote from: RiOtChEsS on October 26, 2016, 02:08:34 PM
Karl Malone is literally the exception to the theory, dude was an Ironhorse
So of the greats i just looked up, all have had seasons where they have missed over 20 games at least once
Like i said he is due to have some trouble
Karl Malone was prob the guy in that era that took care of his body the most. Did you check out Ray Allen at all? I know he's mad about treating his body like a temple, can't recall him missing significant time off the top of my head due to injury?
4 seasons with a lot of missed games
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/allenra02.html
Side note: i keep waiting for Tim Duncan to emerge, it's not the Spurs anymore, there aura is gone...
Quote from: RiOtChEsS on October 26, 2016, 02:48:17 PM
Quote from: jvalles69 on October 26, 2016, 02:42:37 PM
Quote from: RiOtChEsS on October 26, 2016, 02:08:34 PM
Karl Malone is literally the exception to the theory, dude was an Ironhorse
So of the greats i just looked up, all have had seasons where they have missed over 20 games at least once
Like i said he is due to have some trouble
Karl Malone was prob the guy in that era that took care of his body the most. Did you check out Ray Allen at all? I know he's mad about treating his body like a temple, can't recall him missing significant time off the top of my head due to injury?
4 seasons with a lot of missed games
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/allenra02.html
Side note: i keep waiting for Tim Duncan to emerge, it's not the Spurs anymore, there aura is gone...
Yeah, I guess you only have so much control over injuries anyway.
Quote from: jvalles69 on October 26, 2016, 02:49:52 PM
Quote from: RiOtChEsS on October 26, 2016, 02:48:17 PM
Quote from: jvalles69 on October 26, 2016, 02:42:37 PM
Quote from: RiOtChEsS on October 26, 2016, 02:08:34 PM
Karl Malone is literally the exception to the theory, dude was an Ironhorse
So of the greats i just looked up, all have had seasons where they have missed over 20 games at least once
Like i said he is due to have some trouble
Karl Malone was prob the guy in that era that took care of his body the most. Did you check out Ray Allen at all? I know he's mad about treating his body like a temple, can't recall him missing significant time off the top of my head due to injury?
4 seasons with a lot of missed games
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/allenra02.html
Side note: i keep waiting for Tim Duncan to emerge, it's not the Spurs anymore, there aura is gone...
Yeah, I guess you only have so much control over injuries anyway.
exactly, they can be random, apart from the fact that they rarely miss anyone :P
Pop just said Timmy is being fined 25k a day for every day he doesnt show up ;D
Quote from: RiOtChEsS on October 26, 2016, 02:28:17 PM
Fair bit of pressure on GSW to get out the gate with a win...
imagine the mini shower storm if the lose by 10+
GSW dont look great, down 13...
Quote from: jvalles69 on October 26, 2016, 01:33:57 PM
Quote from: Holz on October 26, 2016, 01:28:09 PM
Quote from: RiOtChEsS on October 26, 2016, 01:21:37 PM
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Quote from: RiOtChEsS on October 26, 2016, 10:36:37 AM
Quote from: Jay on October 26, 2016, 10:21:52 AM
Quote from: RiOtChEsS on October 26, 2016, 10:01:46 AM
Im going with anyone not Cleveland or Golden State :P
Who of Cleveland and Golden State are more likely to miss the finals? I think the Warriors have tougher competition, the Clipps and Spurs will be good as always. But if Boston fire they might be able to push Cleveland, don't think anyone else can.
yeah you are right, the law of averages suggest LBJ finally has a semi serious injury with the accumulative wear and tear, his age and the fact he has never really suffered anything serious is incredible, he is overdue and that team is just above average without him
just alluding to the fact he is well overdue for an injury, practically unheard of to be this elite and this durable in this game
Lebron has his best supporting cast ever and they will let him rest up in the regular season. it all hinges on Irving's health not Lebron if irving is healthy he will be the best player he has ever played with and i guy who could actually win the MVP. remember he is only 24 years old.
Lebron's an outlier, his greatest strength is his durability, hes a big boy who takes care of his body and realistically his risk of getting injured is far less given he can rest and he has Kyrie to actually score the ball.
Lebron will rack up the assists and driving and dishing out or passing the ball off is alot less risky then actually driving to the rim for a layup or dunk.
More impressive is it looks like Love has taken the confidence from last years finals and could be back to his double double best! :o Guy killed Curry when switched onto him in D last finals!
im incredibly happy going into this season.
Lebron brilliant as usual and looks to be the clear point forward now, Love hopefully has confidence and can be thatdouble double monster and Kyrie the point scorer, when he is hot just get out of his way. Crazy handles and plays with the best passer in the game.
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Quote from: jvalles69 on October 26, 2016, 02:49:52 PM
Quote from: RiOtChEsS on October 26, 2016, 02:48:17 PM
Quote from: jvalles69 on October 26, 2016, 02:42:37 PM
Quote from: RiOtChEsS on October 26, 2016, 02:08:34 PM
Karl Malone is literally the exception to the theory, dude was an Ironhorse
So of the greats i just looked up, all have had seasons where they have missed over 20 games at least once
Like i said he is due to have some trouble
Karl Malone was prob the guy in that era that took care of his body the most. Did you check out Ray Allen at all? I know he's mad about treating his body like a temple, can't recall him missing significant time off the top of my head due to injury?
4 seasons with a lot of missed games
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/allenra02.html
Side note: i keep waiting for Tim Duncan to emerge, it's not the Spurs anymore, there aura is gone...
Yeah, I guess you only have so much control over injuries anyway.
exactly, they can be random, apart from the fact that they rarely miss anyone :P
Pop just said Timmy is being fined 25k a day for every day he doesnt show up ;D
Doesn't seem like they need him right now...
Absolute craziness that Green and Klay's combined shots taken equal Curry and Durants shots taken! Unselfish, but know your role Klay and Green, you have prob the 2 best scorers in the league. Even worse, Klay and Green have barely contributed to the score, whilst KD and Curry are efficient as ever.
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Quote from: RiOtChEsS on October 26, 2016, 02:55:35 PM
Quote from: jvalles69 on October 26, 2016, 02:49:52 PM
Quote from: RiOtChEsS on October 26, 2016, 02:48:17 PM
Quote from: jvalles69 on October 26, 2016, 02:42:37 PM
Quote from: RiOtChEsS on October 26, 2016, 02:08:34 PM
Karl Malone is literally the exception to the theory, dude was an Ironhorse
So of the greats i just looked up, all have had seasons where they have missed over 20 games at least once
Like i said he is due to have some trouble
Karl Malone was prob the guy in that era that took care of his body the most. Did you check out Ray Allen at all? I know he's mad about treating his body like a temple, can't recall him missing significant time off the top of my head due to injury?
4 seasons with a lot of missed games
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/allenra02.html
Side note: i keep waiting for Tim Duncan to emerge, it's not the Spurs anymore, there aura is gone...
Yeah, I guess you only have so much control over injuries anyway.
exactly, they can be random, apart from the fact that they rarely miss anyone :P
Pop just said Timmy is being fined 25k a day for every day he doesnt show up ;D
Doesn't seem like they need him right now...
Absolute craziness that Green and Klay's combined shots taken equal Curry and Durants shots taken! Unselfish, but know your role Klay and Green, you have prob the 2 best scorers in the league. Even worse, Klay and Green have barely contributed to the score, whilst KD and Curry are efficient as ever.
bound to be growing pains ;)
Quote from: RiOtChEsS on October 26, 2016, 03:42:14 PM
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Quote from: jvalles69 on October 26, 2016, 02:49:52 PM
Quote from: RiOtChEsS on October 26, 2016, 02:48:17 PM
Quote from: jvalles69 on October 26, 2016, 02:42:37 PM
Quote from: RiOtChEsS on October 26, 2016, 02:08:34 PM
Karl Malone is literally the exception to the theory, dude was an Ironhorse
So of the greats i just looked up, all have had seasons where they have missed over 20 games at least once
Like i said he is due to have some trouble
Karl Malone was prob the guy in that era that took care of his body the most. Did you check out Ray Allen at all? I know he's mad about treating his body like a temple, can't recall him missing significant time off the top of my head due to injury?
4 seasons with a lot of missed games
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/allenra02.html
Side note: i keep waiting for Tim Duncan to emerge, it's not the Spurs anymore, there aura is gone...
Yeah, I guess you only have so much control over injuries anyway.
exactly, they can be random, apart from the fact that they rarely miss anyone :P
Pop just said Timmy is being fined 25k a day for every day he doesnt show up ;D
Doesn't seem like they need him right now...
Absolute craziness that Green and Klay's combined shots taken equal Curry and Durants shots taken! Unselfish, but know your role Klay and Green, you have prob the 2 best scorers in the league. Even worse, Klay and Green have barely contributed to the score, whilst KD and Curry are efficient as ever.
bound to be growing pains ;)
Hey man, this is type of scrutiny they are going to get non stop after signing KD. I'm sure they will get their shower together and dominate in time, but everything negative is going to be put under a microscope, hope they can deal with that sort of pressure.
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Quote from: jvalles69 on October 26, 2016, 02:49:52 PM
Quote from: RiOtChEsS on October 26, 2016, 02:48:17 PM
Quote from: jvalles69 on October 26, 2016, 02:42:37 PM
Quote from: RiOtChEsS on October 26, 2016, 02:08:34 PM
Karl Malone is literally the exception to the theory, dude was an Ironhorse
So of the greats i just looked up, all have had seasons where they have missed over 20 games at least once
Like i said he is due to have some trouble
Karl Malone was prob the guy in that era that took care of his body the most. Did you check out Ray Allen at all? I know he's mad about treating his body like a temple, can't recall him missing significant time off the top of my head due to injury?
4 seasons with a lot of missed games
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/allenra02.html
Side note: i keep waiting for Tim Duncan to emerge, it's not the Spurs anymore, there aura is gone...
Yeah, I guess you only have so much control over injuries anyway.
exactly, they can be random, apart from the fact that they rarely miss anyone :P
Pop just said Timmy is being fined 25k a day for every day he doesnt show up ;D
Doesn't seem like they need him right now...
Absolute craziness that Green and Klay's combined shots taken equal Curry and Durants shots taken! Unselfish, but know your role Klay and Green, you have prob the 2 best scorers in the league. Even worse, Klay and Green have barely contributed to the score, whilst KD and Curry are efficient as ever.
bound to be growing pains ;)
Klay is probably the best shooter in the league so he will need his shots, when he is hot he is hotter then Curry, also played as good if not better then Curry in the last 2 finals.
flower I love this team #gospursgo
Fire up your hot take machines!
29pt loss at home...that ain't growing pains, thats a well oiled Pop machine! Kawhi balling and LMA stepping up, even hit a trey!
Quote from: RiOtChEsS on October 26, 2016, 02:28:17 PM
imagine the mini shower storm if the lose by 10+
(http://wac.450f.edgecastcdn.net/80450F/thefw.com/files/2012/08/Michael-Jackson-Popcorn.gif)
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Quote from: RiOtChEsS on October 26, 2016, 02:28:17 PM
imagine the mini shower storm if the lose by 10+
(http://wac.450f.edgecastcdn.net/80450F/thefw.com/files/2012/08/Michael-Jackson-Popcorn.gif)
hahaha what flowerin power ;D
(https://media.tenor.co/images/c3a1e40895c46af3326d8cab8939c513/raw)
Ahh Al Horford, you're going to fit in just nicely! ;D
Quote from: jvalles69 on October 26, 2016, 12:06:53 PM
MVP: James Harden
Rookie of the Year: Joel Embiid
DPOY: Kawhi Leonard
Most Improved: Devon Booker Myles Turner :o
6th Man: Ersan Ilyasova
Coach: Nate McMillan (Indiana)
West Standings:
1: Warriors
2: Spurs
3: Clippers
4: Blazers
5: Rockets
6: Thunder
7: Twolves
8: Pelicans
East Standings:
1: Cavs
2: Pacers
3: Raptors
4: Hawks
5: Bulls
6: Celtics
7: Wizards
8: Bucks
Finals: Warriors defeat Cavaliers (4-3)
East is way tougher to pick, so many mid/low tier teams who could make it. Heat, Pistons, Knicks unlucky.
AD gone off for 50pts
Willie Cauley-Stein welcoming Marquese Chriss to the NBA by putting him on a poster (look up Kings on Twitter for video). NBA twitter just put it up as well now
Embiid was very impressive, i hope he stays healthy for Philly...
Anthony motherflowerin Davis :o jus dropped fiddy with 4 no no's 7 swipes 5 dimes an 16 boards :o
Harden 10pts 7 dimes in 8 minutes :o
Quote from: RiOtChEsS on October 27, 2016, 02:54:14 PM
Embiid was very impressive, i hope he stays healthy for Philly...
Anthony motherflowerin Davis :o jus dropped fiddy with 4 no no's 7 swipes 5 dimes an 16 boards :o
Heres the interesting Question.
you start your franchise what order do you put these guys?
Kevin Durrant 28
Russ Westbrook 27
Kawhi Leoanard
Kyrie Irving 24
Anthony Davis 23
KAT 20
Anyone im missing from the top 6?
Left out Lebron due to Age.
I reckon i have Leonard 1, Davis 2, KAT 3, Irving 4, Brook 5, Durrant 6.
Davis
KAT
Leonard
Quote from: RiOtChEsS on October 27, 2016, 03:01:20 PM
Harden 10pts 7 dimes in 8 minutes :o
Make that 12pts 9ast at quarter time.
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Quote from: RiOtChEsS on October 27, 2016, 02:54:14 PM
Embiid was very impressive, i hope he stays healthy for Philly...
Anthony motherflowerin Davis :o jus dropped fiddy with 4 no no's 7 swipes 5 dimes an 16 boards :o
Heres the interesting Question.
you start your franchise what order do you put these guys?
Kevin Durrant 28
Russ Westbrook 27
Kawhi Leoanard
Kyrie Irving 24
Anthony Davis 23
KAT 20
Anyone im missing from the top 6?
Left out Lebron due to Age.
I reckon i have Leonard 1, Davis 2, KAT 3, Irving 4, Brook 5, Durrant 6.
1. KAT
2. Curry
3. AD
4. Leonard
5. Durant
6. Westbrook
The Holz-Curry hate was pretty funny at first but now...
AD first ever player with 45+pts, 15+rbds, 5+stls and 5+ass. Incredible.
Quote from: elephants on October 27, 2016, 03:28:25 PM
The Holz-Curry hate was pretty funny at first but now...
Is this in reference to him not being on the list?
This is about starting a franchise so you go young. Its not hate to exclude him from this list.
The GMs answered this question and they had
1. Karl-Anthony Towns, Minnesota â€" 48.3%
2. Kevin Durant, Golden State â€" 20.7%
3. LeBron James, Cleveland â€" 17.2%
Also receiving votes: Stephen Curry, Golden State; Anthony Davis, New Orleans; Kawhi Leonard, San Antonio; Russell Westbrook, Oklahoma City
Now people know I love Lebron James and did you notice that i didn't have him on the list? The fact is he is too old and Curry is closer to 29 then he is 28. Im not going to start my team with him if i want to build a dynasty, due to his age.
Durant you can complain about being only 6 months younger, but a lanky guy with a huge wingspan I like and I think its safe to say there are quite a few good point guards or shooting guards out there so it would be asier to compliment a guy with durrant then it is with curry. How many good SFs are there out there?
KAT, Davis, Leonard I dont think I even need to put a case up for.
Irving is 24 years old, came up big in the playoffs and has a ring. Has 4 years on Curry and that fact alone means using him as your dynasty chip isnt a crazy idea. Statistically he is about to enter his prime and has that killer instinct.
The only possible area you can argue against me with a point is on Westbrook. In fairness i thought he was 1+ year younger then Curry. I did put him at the number 6 spot though. I can put a good case why i have though, I understand that the warriors have alot of guys that rack up assist but if i want a PG i want a guy who can both score and assist. Russ showed he can assist with 10.4 assists per game
So yeah I think your blinded by Curry love, there was nothing illogical on my list.
Jay is absolutely insane to have him number 2 on his list. So over the next 10 years who will do better Curry at 29-39 years old or Leonard at 25 to 35 years of age.
All I know is that I'd rather start a franchise with Curry rather than Irving that's for sure
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All I know is that I'd rather start a franchise with Curry rather than Irving that's for sure
i agree, basically because i dont trust Kyrie's body to stay healthy
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Quote from: plumdog millionaire on October 27, 2016, 04:18:54 PM
All I know is that I'd rather start a franchise with Curry rather than Irving that's for sure
i agree, basically because i dont trust Kyrie's body to stay healthy
I get both arguments, but you guys are forgetting when Curry was around Kyrie's age, those ankles were terrible and he barely strung a few seasons together, was even touted as a possible bust at some stages. Turned it around and here we are.
Quote from: plumdog millionaire on October 27, 2016, 04:18:54 PM
All I know is that I'd rather start a franchise with Curry rather than Irving that's for sure
Does that make you an Irving hater?
The fun thing is the answer will become clear over time.
I could make a huge call and say Kryie > Curry right now but i wont.
I will make a big call though.
Good luck starting your franchise with a 28 year old Guy who has never shown up big in the playoffs.
ill just leave this here
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Quote from: plumdog millionaire on October 27, 2016, 04:18:54 PM
All I know is that I'd rather start a franchise with Curry rather than Irving that's for sure
i agree, basically because i dont trust Kyrie's body to stay healthy
I get both arguments, but you guys are forgetting when Curry was around Kyrie's age, those ankles were terrible and he barely strung a few seasons together, was even touted as a possible bust at some stages. Turned it around and here we are.
That's definitely true and I respect that point, but Curry's leap over the last couple of seasons is pretty unprecedented and I don't think it's reasonable to expect something similar to happen again.
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Quote from: plumdog millionaire on October 27, 2016, 04:18:54 PM
All I know is that I'd rather start a franchise with Curry rather than Irving that's for sure
i agree, basically because i dont trust Kyrie's body to stay healthy
I get both arguments, but you guys are forgetting when Curry was around Kyrie's age, those ankles were terrible and he barely strung a few seasons together, was even touted as a possible bust at some stages. Turned it around and here we are.
That's definitely true and I respect that point, but Curry's leap over the last couple of seasons is pretty unprecedented and I don't think it's reasonable to expect something similar to happen again.
No doubting Curry's leap and at this stage I don't think Kyrie passes him legacy wise in terms of individual greatness, but that could change and would depend on circumstances as well.
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All I know is that I'd rather start a franchise with Curry rather than Irving that's for sure
i agree, basically because i dont trust Kyrie's body to stay healthy
I get both arguments, but you guys are forgetting when Curry was around Kyrie's age, those ankles were terrible and he barely strung a few seasons together, was even touted as a possible bust at some stages. Turned it around and here we are.
That's definitely true and I respect that point, but Curry's leap over the last couple of seasons is pretty unprecedented and I don't think it's reasonable to expect something similar to happen again.
the thing is we dont really even need Irving to improve just stay healthy. We just saw what he was able to do in a finals series
remember he is just coming off a finals series of 27.1 points on 46.8% FG and 40.5% 3P and 93.9% FT. That is pretty crazy, even if he just stays at that level he would be one of the best franchise starters.
those numbers havent been replicated by another certain player in a finals series yet.
Haha shower, I shouldn't have said anything. This has turned into the masses loving Curry to Holz loving Irving.
Ftr, I would pick Irving only due to age. I don't buy the whole Curry has nothing in playoffs call though.
Quote from: Holz on October 27, 2016, 04:37:30 PM
Quote from: plumdog millionaire on October 27, 2016, 04:18:54 PM
All I know is that I'd rather start a franchise with Curry rather than Irving that's for sure
Does that make you an Irving hater?
The fun thing is the answer will become clear over time.
I could make a huge call and say Kryie > Curry right now but i wont.
I will make a big call though.
Good luck starting your franchise with a 28 year old Guy who has never shown up big in the playoffs.
It might make me a hater! But maybe your interpretation of the question is different to some others. If I wanted to win a title right now, I'd prefer Curry over Irving based on what we have seen to this point.
That being said, I'd have Davis, KAT and Leonard over those guys though - I think they can be the number 1 option (Irving just proved he's a good number 2 option) on a title team and with their ages you'd have more opportunities to get there.
Quote from: Holz on October 27, 2016, 04:37:30 PM
Quote from: plumdog millionaire on October 27, 2016, 04:18:54 PM
All I know is that I'd rather start a franchise with Curry rather than Irving that's for sure
Good luck starting your franchise with a 28 year old Guy who has never shown up big in the playoffs.
never shown up big in the playoffs, get off it you're sounding stupid. Ask Portland what happen when Curry come back during the playoffs? Come off the bench dropped 40 and broke a record for most points in OT and it was also in the PLAYOFFS
I think the next 3-4 years of Curry can be clearly better than Kawhi, enough to outweigh the age difference. And I love Kawhi.
Let's not forget who the reining unanimous MVP with one of the best PERs of all-time is. The playoffs argument is beyond stupid, he was obviously hurt and even then he still managed to have that huge OT vs Portland and the best PER in the OKC series too.
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Quote from: plumdog millionaire on October 27, 2016, 04:18:54 PM
All I know is that I'd rather start a franchise with Curry rather than Irving that's for sure
Good luck starting your franchise with a 28 year old Guy who has never shown up big in the playoffs.
never shown up big in the playoffs, get off it you're sounding stupid. Ask Portland what happen when Curry come back during the playoffs? Come off the bench dropped 40 and broke a record for most points in OT and it was also in the PLAYOFFS
yeah im not too fussed in what a guy does in a second round match up of the playoffs in a series which they pretty much would have won without him.
Ill take Green Klay over portland every day of the week.
Quote from: Jay on October 27, 2016, 05:33:30 PM
I think the next 3-4 years of Curry can be clearly better than Kawhi, enough to outweigh the age difference. And I love Kawhi.
Let's not forget who the reining unanimous MVP with one of the best PERs of all-time is. The playoffs argument is beyond stupid, he was obviously hurt and even then he still managed to have that huge OT vs Portland and the best PER in the OKC series too.
he wasnt hurt in the 2015 Finals and he put in standard top 10 player numbers not MVP numbers. Yeah you can say he was injured last year but i really haven't seen a solid playoffs run and the guy is 28 years old.
He has shown up in playoffs series but has never consistently shown up given his 2 finals series have been meh.
There is no way i take a curry over leonard for the next 3-4 years.
So your saying that you will take a 33 year old curry heading into the playoffs over a 29 year old Kawhi?
Kawhi is the better player right now anyway.
lets not forget Kawhi is the back to back DPOY at age 23-24 and is now starting to become a star on the offensive end too. So he is the top defensive player in the league and is pushing to become a top 10 offensive player.
Whats curry?
for arguments sake ill give him the number 1 offensive player in the league (I think Harden, Westbrook, Durrant might be better but lets forget that)
where does he rank on defense?
The cavs strategy was to attack him on defence, I cant possibly call him the better player when my guy is the best stopper in the league and then also a massive offesnvie threat.
Greatest shooter of the driblle - yeah ill give you curry easy
Greatest Shooter - ill even give you that even though i prefer Klay
Greatest offensive player- i wont argue if you say he is (even though i think hes tied in the top tier)
Greatest Player, now, future, ever - nope
Quote from: Holz on October 27, 2016, 06:31:50 PM
Greatest shooter of the driblle - yeah ill give you curry easy
Greatest Shooter - ill even give you that even though i prefer Klay
Greatest offensive player- i wont argue if you say he is (even though i think hes tied in the top tier)
Greatest Player, now, future, ever - nope
A back to back MVP is not the greatest player now? How many votes did everyone else get? Add up every other player in the comp and get back to me
Just a heads up, Crownbet has AD for mvp paying $21 while every other bookie has him at $9. You can also get on Myles Turner as most improved at $5.50
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Quote from: Holz on October 27, 2016, 06:31:50 PM
Greatest shooter of the driblle - yeah ill give you curry easy
Greatest Shooter - ill even give you that even though i prefer Klay
Greatest offensive player- i wont argue if you say he is (even though i think hes tied in the top tier)
Greatest Player, now, future, ever - nope
A back to back MVP is not the greatest player now? How many votes did everyone else get? Add up every other player in the comp and get back to me
The mvp is rarely the best player in the league.
The unamious argument is completely Blown apart when jordan never got it.
The award means very little and even less when its regular season.
Finals mvp means much more.
Mvp is just the best player on the best team award.
I really doubt any person with basketball iq would take curry's last 2 years over lebron when you Factor in playoffs. Curry maybe in regular season as lebron doesnt even care about.
Quote from: jvalles69 on October 27, 2016, 07:53:37 PM
Just a heads up, Crownbet has AD for mvp paying $21 while every other bookie has him at $9. You can also get on Myles Turner as most improved at $5.50
Embiid for rookie of the year at $4.5 too.
Dangerous bringing up basketball IQ
Quote from: Spite on October 27, 2016, 10:30:08 PM
Quote from: jvalles69 on October 27, 2016, 07:53:37 PM
Just a heads up, Crownbet has AD for mvp paying $21 while every other bookie has him at $9. You can also get on Myles Turner as most improved at $5.50
Embiid for rookie of the year at $4.5 too.
Wonder why AD is so long on CB?
Embiid looks a good call.
Quote from: elephants on October 27, 2016, 10:42:53 PM
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Quote from: jvalles69 on October 27, 2016, 07:53:37 PM
Just a heads up, Crownbet has AD for mvp paying $21 while every other bookie has him at $9. You can also get on Myles Turner as most improved at $5.50
Embiid for rookie of the year at $4.5 too.
Wonder why AD is so long on CB?
Embiid looks a good call.
Wonder if they allow multi's? Embiid ROY into Turner MIP.
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Greatest shooter of the driblle - yeah ill give you curry easy
Greatest Shooter - ill even give you that even though i prefer Klay
Greatest offensive player- i wont argue if you say he is (even though i think hes tied in the top tier)
Greatest Player, now, future, ever - nope
A back to back MVP is not the greatest player now? How many votes did everyone else get? Add up every other player in the comp and get back to me
The mvp is rarely the best player in the league.
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Quote from: R.Griffen on October 27, 2016, 07:39:39 PM
Quote from: Holz on October 27, 2016, 06:31:50 PM
Greatest shooter of the driblle - yeah ill give you curry easy
Greatest Shooter - ill even give you that even though i prefer Klay
Greatest offensive player- i wont argue if you say he is (even though i think hes tied in the top tier)
Greatest Player, now, future, ever - nope
A back to back MVP is not the greatest player now? How many votes did everyone else get? Add up every other player in the comp and get back to me
The mvp is rarely the best player in the league.
Okay so all the MVP's LBJ, Kone and MJ won mean nothing because they weren't the best player in the league
Embiid for EMVP. Trust the Process!
Haha 'best player' is arguably a subjective term anyway.
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Quote from: Holz on October 27, 2016, 06:31:50 PM
Greatest shooter of the driblle - yeah ill give you curry easy
Greatest Shooter - ill even give you that even though i prefer Klay
Greatest offensive player- i wont argue if you say he is (even though i think hes tied in the top tier)
Greatest Player, now, future, ever - nope
A back to back MVP is not the greatest player now? How many votes did everyone else get? Add up every other player in the comp and get back to me
The mvp is rarely the best player in the league.
Okay so all the MVP's LBJ, Kone and MJ won mean nothing because they weren't the best player in the league
the MVPs mean nothing the fact that they were the actual best player means everything.
The MVP is an award voted by sportswriters and broadcasters. It is massively bias with voter fatigue very real. Was Adam Cooney the best afl player in 2008, was Dane Swan the best player in 2011?
I never use an award to justify the best player, you should use your own judgement. Its exactly the same thing with the best team doesnt always win its the best team on the day. Where the Cavs the best team last year? they wont the chip so surely they are right?
its more complex then that, they were the best team on game 7 day doesnt make them the best team.
I would say Lebron James is amlost universally regarded as the best player on the planet. I think he is still the best player, does he win my MVP no way.
Im tipping Westbrook to win the MVP and i certainly dont think he is the best player in the NBA. He has the right story though to win the hearts of story writers. Abonded by KD, told he wasnt good enough, take the team on his shoulders and put up triple doubles which are flashy but one of the most useless stats in basketball.
Kawhi i reckon deserves the MVP but wont get it due to his quiet nature.
Anyway enough of this.
which team has suprised you the most in game 1?
I was most impressed by philly. they aint going to make playoffs but the look very respectful which is something we havent been able to say for a very long time.
Dario Sairc was abit underwhelming on 2/12 shotting but if he gets into a groove i can see them starting to win some games.
JO JO <3
Pretty dope article on JoJo by Sports Illustrated
"Embiid was raised in an upper middle class home in the Cameroonian capital of Yaounde. His parents made him wash his own clothes by hand, but they employed a maid. His mother drove a Mercedes. He ate omelettes for breakfast. He was not allowed to play sports until he had memorized all the notes he jotted throughout the day’s classes. “I was a little soft,†Embiid says, “but the Americans had no idea about any of that. They just knew I was from Africa. They thought I grew up poor, in the jungle, killing lions. I was like, If that’s how they think of me, I’m going to use it.â€
http://www.si.com/nba/2016/10/26/joel-embiid-philadelphia-76ers-the-process (http://www.si.com/nba/2016/10/26/joel-embiid-philadelphia-76ers-the-process)
Harrison Barnes being clutch was probably the biggest surprise of day 2, lol.
I forgot to post the JoJo article last night. Best line is when he mentions how he learned to shoot.
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Greatest shooter of the driblle - yeah ill give you curry easy
Greatest Shooter - ill even give you that even though i prefer Klay
Greatest offensive player- i wont argue if you say he is (even though i think hes tied in the top tier)
Greatest Player, now, future, ever - nope
A back to back MVP is not the greatest player now? How many votes did everyone else get? Add up every other player in the comp and get back to me
The mvp is rarely the best player in the league.
Okay so all the MVP's LBJ, Kone and MJ won mean nothing because they weren't the best player in the league
the MVPs mean nothing the fact that they were the actual best player means everything.
The MVP is an award voted by sportswriters and broadcasters. It is massively bias with voter fatigue very real. Was Adam Cooney the best afl player in 2008, was Dane Swan the best player in 2011?
I resent you for using those two examples in the same sentence.
Kawhi with back-to-back steals - one and-1 and two freethrows - making it 4 for the quarter. Far out this guy is good
Quote from: My Chumps on October 28, 2016, 04:24:27 PM
Kawhi with back-to-back steals - one and-1 and two freethrows - making it 4 for the quarter. Far out this guy is good
He has single-handedly bringing the Spurs back in the 3rd quarter - been all Kings up until that point. DMC has 25 and 12
Kawahi just picked up his 5th foul with 4:30 to go. Spurs up 92-97
I hope that not one of the people who thinks Embiid looks like a star has a bad word to say about Hinkie and 'the process'.
#JusticeForHinkie
Harden and LeBron being spuds
Kyrie!!
Westbrook goes 17/44 from the field and 2/10 from 3 and the Thunder scrape past the Suns in OT.
But hey more evidence that the Thunder make the playoffs and Russ wins MVP, right?
Quote from: plumdog millionaire on October 29, 2016, 03:07:18 PM
Westbrook goes 17/44 from the field and 2/10 from 3 and the Thunder scrape past the Suns in OT.
But hey more evidence that the Thunder make the playoffs and Russ wins MVP, right?
Russ winning MVP yes. Thunder making playoffs no, Suns and 76ers really aren't top competition
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Westbrook goes 17/44 from the field and 2/10 from 3 and the Thunder scrape past the Suns in OT.
But hey more evidence that the Thunder make the playoffs and Russ wins MVP, right?
Russ winning MVP yes. Thunder making playoffs no, Suns and 76ers really aren't top competition
Russ doesn't win MVP if the Thunder don't make the playoffs, no chance
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Quote from: plumdog millionaire on October 29, 2016, 03:07:18 PM
Westbrook goes 17/44 from the field and 2/10 from 3 and the Thunder scrape past the Suns in OT.
But hey more evidence that the Thunder make the playoffs and Russ wins MVP, right?
Russ winning MVP yes. Thunder making playoffs no, Suns and 76ers really aren't top competition
Russ doesn't win MVP if the Thunder don't make the playoffs, no chance
"... Suns and 76ers really aren't top competition" - yeh, Phoenix, "we're pretending not to tank" ... ;)
Quote from: plumdog millionaire on October 29, 2016, 03:07:18 PM
Westbrook goes 17/44 from the field and 2/10 from 3 and the Thunder scrape past the Suns in OT.
But hey more evidence that the Thunder make the playoffs and Russ wins MVP, right?
Never betting on OKC again. Nearly killed me.
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Quote from: plumdog millionaire on October 29, 2016, 03:07:18 PM
Westbrook goes 17/44 from the field and 2/10 from 3 and the Thunder scrape past the Suns in OT.
But hey more evidence that the Thunder make the playoffs and Russ wins MVP, right?
Never betting on OKC again. Nearly killed me.
haha I was in the same boat ffs so many times thought I was done
Refs have it out for Curry. Seriously a lane-infraction and a carry-violation? Can't remember the last time I've seen either of those.
Quote from: Levi434 on October 29, 2016, 04:20:18 PM
Refs have it out for Curry. Seriously a lane-infraction and a carry-violation? Can't remember the last time I've seen either of those.
100% agree
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Quote from: plumdog millionaire on October 29, 2016, 03:07:18 PM
Westbrook goes 17/44 from the field and 2/10 from 3 and the Thunder scrape past the Suns in OT.
But hey more evidence that the Thunder make the playoffs and Russ wins MVP, right?
Never betting on OKC again. Nearly killed me.
haha I was in the same boat ffs so many times thought I was done
Hahaha man I was so mad the entire game, even threw my phone into the back seat. Then was elated when Roberson hit that 3 to put OKC up by 4 with 2 minutes left... Then was furious again when they couldn't seal the game or get a basket in the last 30 seconds... then was even more furious when they started OT down by 4... But then, Russ and Roberson were huge in OT to get them across the line. Unreal haha.
Quote from: plumdog millionaire on October 29, 2016, 03:07:18 PM
Westbrook goes 17/44 from the field and 2/10 from 3 and the Thunder scrape past the Suns in OT.
But hey more evidence that the Thunder make the playoffs and Russ wins MVP, right?
I know he is an elite player, and his athleticism is out of this world, but my hot-take is that I don't really enjoy watching Westbrook play basketball. Give me the smoothness of a Curry or CP3 any day.
I don't think he will get close to MVP. His advanced stats won't be much better if at all than Kawhi, LeBron, Durant, Curry, and is on a far worse team.
If the season ended right now Westbrook would be MVP 8)
Quote from: Levi434 on October 30, 2016, 01:54:12 AM
If the season ended right now Westbrook would be MVP 8)
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Quote from: Levi434 on October 30, 2016, 01:54:12 AM
If the season ended right now Westbrook would be MVP 8)
3 way tie between Westbrook, Kawhi and AD with Kawhi slightly preferred for me
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Quote from: Levi434 on October 30, 2016, 01:54:12 AM
If the season ended right now Westbrook would be MVP 8)
3 way tie between Westbrook, Kawhi and AD with Kawhi slightly preferred for me
If Kawhi is this offensive monster that we've seen so far, I can't see him not winning the MVP.
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If the season ended right now Westbrook would be MVP 8)
3 way tie between Westbrook, Kawhi and AD with Kawhi slightly preferred for me
If Kawhi is this offensive monster that we've seen so far, I can't see him not winning the MVP.
Yea rest of season he'd be my pick with the Spurs finishing with the second best record
It's a new season, yet the refs still consistently screw Avery Bradley over :-\
4 points at the half then...
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JoJo down to $2.88 for ROY
Quote from: Jay on October 30, 2016, 11:19:24 AM
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Quote from: Levi434 on October 30, 2016, 01:54:12 AM
If the season ended right now Westbrook would be MVP 8)
3 way tie between Westbrook, Kawhi and AD with Kawhi slightly preferred for me
If Kawhi is this offensive monster that we've seen so far, I can't see him not winning the MVP.
Having read this his current odds of $7 look so damn tempting haha
Quote from: elephants on October 30, 2016, 09:32:12 PM
Quote from: Jay on October 30, 2016, 11:19:24 AM
Quote from: plumdog millionaire on October 30, 2016, 10:48:21 AM
Quote from: Levi434 on October 30, 2016, 01:54:12 AM
If the season ended right now Westbrook would be MVP 8)
3 way tie between Westbrook, Kawhi and AD with Kawhi slightly preferred for me
If Kawhi is this offensive monster that we've seen so far, I can't see him not winning the MVP.
Having read this his current odds of $7 look so damn tempting haha
If he stays healthy you're not going to get better value than that
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Quote from: Levi434 on October 30, 2016, 01:54:12 AM
If the season ended right now Westbrook would be MVP 8)
3 way tie between Westbrook, Kawhi and AD with Kawhi slightly preferred for me
If Kawhi is this offensive monster that we've seen so far, I can't see him not winning the MVP.
Having read this his current odds of $7 look so damn tempting haha
If he stays healthy you're not going to get better value than that
Haha not bad, shame I'm that damn impatient.
Hypothetical:
If Westbrook averages a triple double for the season but OKC have a record of 42-40 or less, MVP?
Quote from: RiOtChEsS on October 31, 2016, 01:10:15 PM
Hypothetical:
If Westbrook averages a triple double for the season but OKC have a record of 42-40 or less, MVP?
So hard to know! OKC 3-0 and averaging a trip dub, he's in the box seat right now no question. They'll be playing tougher opponents though and will be losing a tonne of games.
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Hypothetical:
If Westbrook averages a triple double for the season but OKC have a record of 42-40 or less, MVP?
So hard to know! OKC 3-0 and averaging a trip dub, he's in the box seat right now no question. They'll be playing tougher opponents though and will be losing a tonne of games.
the way they are isnt sustainable, OKC are middle of the road in the west
Yeah I'm very interested to see how OKC fair against decent opposition. Games against the 76ers, Suns and Lakers don't really say too much.
Meanwhile Houston dropping bombs from range atm
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Yeah I'm very interested to see how OKC fair against decent opposition. Games against the 76ers, Suns and Lakers don't really say too much.
Im actually leaning towards Durant for MVP now, they will win 60, he will average 30 with a better PER than Beastbrook
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Meanwhile Houston dropping bombs from range atm
Crikey Houston up by as much as 16ish at one point, now only up by 2 with 3 minutes remaining. Too many hopeless 3 point attempts!
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Meanwhile Houston dropping bombs from range atm
Crikey Houston up by as much as 16ish at one point, now only up by 2 with 3 minutes remaining. Too many hopeless 3 point attempts!
Wesley Matthews hits a 3 with 4 seconds left to tie it up at 92-92.
Houston have taken a full time out and have a chance to win it now. Think we're heading for OT!
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Meanwhile Houston dropping bombs from range atm
Crikey Houston up by as much as 16ish at one point, now only up by 2 with 3 minutes remaining. Too many hopeless 3 point attempts!
Wesley Matthews hits a 3 with 4 seconds left to tie it up at 92-92.
Houston have taken a full time out and have a chance to win it now. Think we're heading for OT!
Harden is sent to the line with 0.1 seconds on the clock. Misses the first, hits the second and the Rockets win by a point! Scenes!
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Meanwhile Houston dropping bombs from range atm
Crikey Houston up by as much as 16ish at one point, now only up by 2 with 3 minutes remaining. Too many hopeless 3 point attempts!
Wesley Matthews hits a 3 with 4 seconds left to tie it up at 92-92.
Houston have taken a full time out and have a chance to win it now. Think we're heading for OT!
Harden is sent to the line with 0.1 seconds on the clock. Misses the first, hits the second and the Rockets win by a point! Scenes!
Harden is such a farking spud, if he could actually shoot and not turn the ball over every time he got it they would have smashed them
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Meanwhile Houston dropping bombs from range atm
Crikey Houston up by as much as 16ish at one point, now only up by 2 with 3 minutes remaining. Too many hopeless 3 point attempts!
Wesley Matthews hits a 3 with 4 seconds left to tie it up at 92-92.
Houston have taken a full time out and have a chance to win it now. Think we're heading for OT!
Harden is sent to the line with 0.1 seconds on the clock. Misses the first, hits the second and the Rockets win by a point! Scenes!
haha boy o boy w0wee
I didnt see the game, but a colleague is a Mavs fan and reckons Harden pulled Matthews shirt to get himself free, then typical Harden - drive to the basket, get fouled and go to the line.
If Houston can only just beat a Mavs team WITHOUT DIRK, then they are in for long season.
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I didnt see the game, but a colleague is a Mavs fan and reckons Harden pulled Matthews shirt to get himself free, then typical Harden - drive to the basket, get fouled and go to the line.
If Houston can only just beat a Mavs team WITHOUT DIRK, then they are in for long season.
Yeah not too sure man, I didn't actually see it live either. Rockets were destroying the Mavs until they completely fell apart on the offensive end in the last. You're not Golden State, you can't 3-point your way victory every week.
Pretty funny that Harden missed the first free-throw too. Imagine the amount of mayhem if he has of missed both and the Rockets lost in OT!
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Meanwhile Houston dropping bombs from range atm
Crikey Houston up by as much as 16ish at one point, now only up by 2 with 3 minutes remaining. Too many hopeless 3 point attempts!
Wesley Matthews hits a 3 with 4 seconds left to tie it up at 92-92.
Houston have taken a full time out and have a chance to win it now. Think we're heading for OT!
Harden is sent to the line with 0.1 seconds on the clock. Misses the first, hits the second and the Rockets win by a point! Scenes!
Harden is such a farking spud, if he could actually shoot and not turn the ball over every time he got it they would have smashed them
Haha did you have cash on the Rockets?
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Meanwhile Houston dropping bombs from range atm
Crikey Houston up by as much as 16ish at one point, now only up by 2 with 3 minutes remaining. Too many hopeless 3 point attempts!
Wesley Matthews hits a 3 with 4 seconds left to tie it up at 92-92.
Houston have taken a full time out and have a chance to win it now. Think we're heading for OT!
Harden is sent to the line with 0.1 seconds on the clock. Misses the first, hits the second and the Rockets win by a point! Scenes!
Harden is such a farking spud, if he could actually shoot and not turn the ball over every time he got it they would have smashed them
Haha did you have cash on the Rockets?
yep haha, I was close to putting my fist through the wall Clarko style
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Meanwhile Houston dropping bombs from range atm
Crikey Houston up by as much as 16ish at one point, now only up by 2 with 3 minutes remaining. Too many hopeless 3 point attempts!
Wesley Matthews hits a 3 with 4 seconds left to tie it up at 92-92.
Houston have taken a full time out and have a chance to win it now. Think we're heading for OT!
Harden is sent to the line with 0.1 seconds on the clock. Misses the first, hits the second and the Rockets win by a point! Scenes!
Harden is such a farking spud, if he could actually shoot and not turn the ball over every time he got it they would have smashed them
Haha did you have cash on the Rockets?
yep haha, I was close to putting my fist through the wall Clarko style
Haha it was my final leg so I was stressing too, we gotta start sharing tips
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Meanwhile Houston dropping bombs from range atm
Crikey Houston up by as much as 16ish at one point, now only up by 2 with 3 minutes remaining. Too many hopeless 3 point attempts!
Wesley Matthews hits a 3 with 4 seconds left to tie it up at 92-92.
Houston have taken a full time out and have a chance to win it now. Think we're heading for OT!
Harden is sent to the line with 0.1 seconds on the clock. Misses the first, hits the second and the Rockets win by a point! Scenes!
Harden is such a farking spud, if he could actually shoot and not turn the ball over every time he got it they would have smashed them
Haha did you have cash on the Rockets?
yep haha, I was close to putting my fist through the wall Clarko style
Haha it was my final leg so I was stressing too, we gotta start sharing tips
I'm saying we probably have the same legs every day haha
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Meanwhile Houston dropping bombs from range atm
Crikey Houston up by as much as 16ish at one point, now only up by 2 with 3 minutes remaining. Too many hopeless 3 point attempts!
Wesley Matthews hits a 3 with 4 seconds left to tie it up at 92-92.
Houston have taken a full time out and have a chance to win it now. Think we're heading for OT!
Harden is sent to the line with 0.1 seconds on the clock. Misses the first, hits the second and the Rockets win by a point! Scenes!
Harden is such a farking spud, if he could actually shoot and not turn the ball over every time he got it they would have smashed them
Haha did you have cash on the Rockets?
yep haha, I was close to putting my fist through the wall Clarko style
Haha it was my final leg so I was stressing too, we gotta start sharing tips
I'm saying we probably have the same legs every day haha
Exactly what I was thinking haha! It was Rockets, Warriors and Clippers for me today (plus Islanders in the NHL).
Can someone post scores from all the games that don't involve Philly please? I've been avoiding scores the last couple of days and will probably watch the back to backs tonight
Quote from: Mat0369 on November 03, 2016, 02:17:20 PM
Can someone post scores from all the games that don't involve Philly please? I've been avoiding scores the last couple of days and will probably watch the back to backs tonight
TOR 113 - WAS 103
DET 101 - 109 BKN
HOU 118 - NYK 99
LAL 123 - 116 ATL :o
NOP 83 - MEM 89 - OT
CHI 100 - BOS 107
DAL 81 - UTA 97
POR 115 - PHX 118 - OT -
Bledsoe game winning 3 YEA! We won a game!!! :P ;)
OKC 85 - LAC 83
Thanks bud
Okc beating the clippers ;D
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Okc beating the clippers ;D
OKC 4-0 and they've beaten a solid team now in the Clippers. OKC will be fired up for tomorrow's game! Wish I was home to watch it. Westbrook to absolutely murder another basketball rim, smallest guy to ever shatter a backboard coming up?
I hope they beat GSW. I go for OKC and any team playing GSW this season
I'm halfway into the second game. We traded Grant? What the hell?
First game was a freaking heartbreaker as well. That 3rd Qrt killed them. Then the lucky roll to Ibaka and them ruling it a flagrant.
And they got smashed in the 3rd again. 16-22 in both games
rekn Russ will be a chance of losing his cool today, if not a tech, an ejection... he has noooooooo love for Durant ;D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82wtHvU8Z-U (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82wtHvU8Z-U)
;D
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82wtHvU8Z-U (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82wtHvU8Z-U)
;D
haha yeah i remember that on fb when he first signed ;D
Durant, just wow.
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Quote from: TomK on November 04, 2016, 03:52:16 PM
Durant, just wow.
What a way to rub it in! :o
got to give it to him, he is a great player and its early days but it looks his team.
28.5 PPG 9RPG 4APG 3SPG 1.5BPG
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Curry
26.3 PPG 2.3 RPG 4.3 APG 0.5 SPG 0 BPG
will be interesting to see who ends up on top out of those two.
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Durant, just wow.
What a way to rub it in! :o
got to give it to him, he is a great player and its early days but it looks his team.
28.5 PPG 9RPG 4APG 3SPG 1.5BPG
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Curry
26.3 PPG 2.3 RPG 4.3 APG 0.5 SPG 0 BPG
will be interesting to see who ends up on top out of those two.
Curry is better but I think Durant might put up better counting stats.
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Quote from: TomK on November 04, 2016, 03:52:16 PM
Durant, just wow.
What a way to rub it in! :o
got to give it to him, he is a great player and its early days but it looks his team.
28.5 PPG 9RPG 4APG 3SPG 1.5BPG
v
Curry
26.3 PPG 2.3 RPG 4.3 APG 0.5 SPG 0 BPG
will be interesting to see who ends up on top out of those two.
Curry is better but I think Durant might put up better counting stats.
I think people forget how good Durant was prior to his run of injuries. Curry is the better shooter, just, but I'd take Durant over Curry on my team every single day of the week no questions asked. Durants efficiency is incredible, and he is close to being an elite defender.
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Quote from: TomK on November 04, 2016, 03:52:16 PM
Durant, just wow.
What a way to rub it in! :o
got to give it to him, he is a great player and its early days but it looks his team.
28.5 PPG 9RPG 4APG 3SPG 1.5BPG
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Curry
26.3 PPG 2.3 RPG 4.3 APG 0.5 SPG 0 BPG
will be interesting to see who ends up on top out of those two.
Curry is better but I think Durant might put up better counting stats.
I think people forget how good Durant was prior to his run of injuries. Curry is the better shooter, just, but I'd take Durant over Curry on my team every single day of the week no questions asked. Durants efficiency is incredible, and he is close to being an elite defender.
yeah unsurprisingly I have Durant well ahead of Curry.
Curry is the better shooter, but Durant is still a great shooter.
Durant by far the superior defender, obviously much much better re bounder/blocker and his length makes him harder to defend.
The crazy call will be imagine if the warriors traded away curry (never happen) and they got a ball handler who passes and a rim protector, would be almost unstoppable. Durrant Klay Green is enough fire power.
I was thinking the exact same thing as I was making my Durant statement! Trade Curry for a mid range PG like a Teague or a Conley, and add a decent shotblocker and I'd say that team would be unstoppable.
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I was thinking the exact same thing as I was making my Durant statement! Trade Curry for a mid range PG like a Teague or a Conley, and add a decent shotblocker and I'd say that team would be unstoppable.
Curry to Memphis for Conley and Gasol.
The reason curry is the MVP right now, is he is on a small contract.
I wonder what they do next year when he gets the max.
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Quote from: TomK on November 04, 2016, 03:52:16 PM
Durant, just wow.
What a way to rub it in! :o
got to give it to him, he is a great player and its early days but it looks his team.
28.5 PPG 9RPG 4APG 3SPG 1.5BPG
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Curry
26.3 PPG 2.3 RPG 4.3 APG 0.5 SPG 0 BPG
will be interesting to see who ends up on top out of those two.
Curry is better but I think Durant might put up better counting stats.
I think people forget how good Durant was prior to his run of injuries. Curry is the better shooter, just, but I'd take Durant over Curry on my team every single day of the week no questions asked. Durants efficiency is incredible, and he is close to being an elite defender.
yeah unsurprisingly I have Durant well ahead of Curry.
Curry is the better shooter, but Durant is still a great shooter.
Durant by far the superior defender, obviously much much better re bounder/blocker and his length makes him harder to defend.
The crazy call will be imagine if the warriors traded away curry (never happen) and they got a ball handler who passes and a rim protector, would be almost unstoppable. Durrant Klay Green is enough fire power.
I can't even respond to this.
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Quote from: TomK on November 04, 2016, 03:52:16 PM
Durant, just wow.
What a way to rub it in! :o
got to give it to him, he is a great player and its early days but it looks his team.
28.5 PPG 9RPG 4APG 3SPG 1.5BPG
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Curry
26.3 PPG 2.3 RPG 4.3 APG 0.5 SPG 0 BPG
will be interesting to see who ends up on top out of those two.
Curry is better but I think Durant might put up better counting stats.
I think people forget how good Durant was prior to his run of injuries. Curry is the better shooter, just, but I'd take Durant over Curry on my team every single day of the week no questions asked. Durants efficiency is incredible, and he is close to being an elite defender.
yeah unsurprisingly I have Durant well ahead of Curry.
Curry is the better shooter, but Durant is still a great shooter.
Durant by far the superior defender, obviously much much better re bounder/blocker and his length makes him harder to defend.
The crazy call will be imagine if the warriors traded away curry (never happen) and they got a ball handler who passes and a rim protector, would be almost unstoppable. Durrant Klay Green is enough fire power.
I can't even respond to this.
+1 so that team apparently is nearly unstoppable but if you add a back to back MVP to it they aren't better than Cavs #holztheory
Adding another superstar makes them better on paper but not in terms of team balance. We've already seen them struggle and of course there is going to be teething problems adjusting, but this current team to be considered better would have to beat last years seasons record and win the title to be considered a better team, at least by next season if the team stays intact. They are going to rely on at least 1-2 of their big 4 to catch fire every game which is entirely possible.
PG: Curry
SG: Klay
SF: Durant
PF: Dray
C: Zaza
Imagine having something like a Dragic/Whiteside in place of Curry and Zaza? Better balance overall. It's a real possibility that someone will need to go when Curry signs a new contract.
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Adding another superstar makes them better on paper but not in terms of team balance. We've already seen them struggle and of course there is going to be teething problems adjusting.
Lol all teams struggle at some point hahahaha. That Spurs team lost to Utah at home! Bigger upset than the Warriors losing
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Durant, just wow.
What a way to rub it in! :o
got to give it to him, he is a great player and its early days but it looks his team.
28.5 PPG 9RPG 4APG 3SPG 1.5BPG
v
Curry
26.3 PPG 2.3 RPG 4.3 APG 0.5 SPG 0 BPG
will be interesting to see who ends up on top out of those two.
Curry is better but I think Durant might put up better counting stats.
I think people forget how good Durant was prior to his run of injuries. Curry is the better shooter, just, but I'd take Durant over Curry on my team every single day of the week no questions asked. Durants efficiency is incredible, and he is close to being an elite defender.
yeah unsurprisingly I have Durant well ahead of Curry.
Curry is the better shooter, but Durant is still a great shooter.
Durant by far the superior defender, obviously much much better re bounder/blocker and his length makes him harder to defend.
The crazy call will be imagine if the warriors traded away curry (never happen) and they got a ball handler who passes and a rim protector, would be almost unstoppable. Durrant Klay Green is enough fire power.
I can't even respond to this.
+1 so that team apparently is nearly unstoppable but if you add a back to back MVP to it they aren't better than Cavs #holztheory
Thats not true at all.
I said if they got a ball handler and a rim protector instead of curry.
obviously removing curry and adding nothing weakens them significantly.
as Jvalles has said a more balanced team would be better.
They have enough offensive fire power, there are point guards who can distribute as well if not better for much much cheaper. Obvisouly they cant shoot and score like curry but they dont need that. Downgrading the point guard to do the things a point guard needs to do and then adding a rim protector would be more beneficial.
Just wait until McGee breaks out the mongoose! 4 blocks per game coming up.
This is all irrelevant because JoJo>>>>>>all of them. Dude is averaging 30 points 11 rebounds and 5 blocks over a 36 minute period!
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Quote from: TomK on November 04, 2016, 03:52:16 PM
Durant, just wow.
What a way to rub it in! :o
got to give it to him, he is a great player and its early days but it looks his team.
28.5 PPG 9RPG 4APG 3SPG 1.5BPG
v
Curry
26.3 PPG 2.3 RPG 4.3 APG 0.5 SPG 0 BPG
will be interesting to see who ends up on top out of those two.
Curry is better but I think Durant might put up better counting stats.
I think people forget how good Durant was prior to his run of injuries. Curry is the better shooter, just, but I'd take Durant over Curry on my team every single day of the week no questions asked. Durants efficiency is incredible, and he is close to being an elite defender.
yeah unsurprisingly I have Durant well ahead of Curry.
Curry is the better shooter, but Durant is still a great shooter.
Durant by far the superior defender, obviously much much better re bounder/blocker and his length makes him harder to defend.
The crazy call will be imagine if the warriors traded away curry (never happen) and they got a ball handler who passes and a rim protector, would be almost unstoppable. Durrant Klay Green is enough fire power.
I can't even respond to this.
+1 so that team apparently is nearly unstoppable but if you add a back to back MVP to it they aren't better than Cavs #holztheory
Thats not true at all.
I said if they got a ball handler and a rim protector instead of curry.
obviously removing curry and adding nothing weakens them significantly.
as Jvalles has said a more balanced team would be better.
They have enough offensive fire power, there are point guards who can distribute as well if not better for much much cheaper. Obvisouly they cant shoot and score like curry but they dont need that. Downgrading the point guard to do the things a point guard needs to do and then adding a rim protector would be more beneficial.
I'm not sure how much better you can be than what they were last year.
Pat Riley would deal Whiteside an Dragic for Curry in less than a heartbeat
Would he trade Curry away for Whiteside and Dragic, oh hell no
news just in, Wade has decided he shoot 3's well
Golden State shooting bricks. The fact they are only 12 points down and the starters are 3/21 behind the arc just proves to me how good they are. This doesn't happen often
they look bloody awful atm
Lakers have got this one :o
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Lakers have got this one :o
I'll give State another couple minutes to cut it back the margin
willing to call it game over now. They dominated the last 2 minutes put a couple scores on the bored. Green misses and 3 and Williams goes down the other end and makes them pay.
Quote from: R.Griffen on November 05, 2016, 04:16:37 PM
Golden State shooting bricks. The fact they are only 12 points down and the starters are 3/21 behind the arc just proves to me how good they are. This doesn't happen often
Yeah im not going to take any positive from a team 12 down to the lakers.
The good thing for the warriors is hopefully they stop caring about the regular season and steph the regular season mvp and focus on playoffs
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Golden State shooting bricks. The fact they are only 12 points down and the starters are 3/21 behind the arc just proves to me how good they are. This doesn't happen often
Yeah im not going to take any positive from a team 12 down to the lakers.
The good thing for the warriors is hopefully they stop caring about the regular season and steph the regular season mvp and focus on playoffs
When did they care for regular season over playoffs? Pretty sure they won a ring and a freak injury to Curry last year set them back. Yes they didn't win a ring last year but pretty sure they still made it to the finals meaning they WON PLAYOFFS prior to the finals
Lakers had good energy and look to be a promising team, Walton has done a real good job, anyone else got swaggy p to play d?
Embiid.
Man that was hard to watch. The last minute of that game was brutal. Kyrie just fell over on his own and got a foul, they hit the 3 off that and Philly were terrible right at the end.
Quote from: Mat0369 on November 06, 2016, 04:17:10 PM
Man that was hard to watch. The last minute of that game was brutal. Kyrie just fell over on his own and got a foul, they hit the 3 off that and Philly were terrible right at the end.
Cavs exposed Embiid's inability to handle the double team, but he'll definitely get better at that with time
Kings defeat Raptors in Canada - Nice way to finish a disappointing road trip.
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Man that was hard to watch. The last minute of that game was brutal. Kyrie just fell over on his own and got a foul, they hit the 3 off that and Philly were terrible right at the end.
Cavs exposed Embiid's inability to handle the double team, but he'll definitely get better at that with time
taking a double team will help the rest of philly though, when they have Saric and Simmons fully up and running.
they really need to deal Noel though
Embiid at C, with Saric at PF looks the way to go with Okafor off the bench. Okafor could be a beast 6th man.
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Man that was hard to watch. The last minute of that game was brutal. Kyrie just fell over on his own and got a foul, they hit the 3 off that and Philly were terrible right at the end.
Cavs exposed Embiid's inability to handle the double team, but he'll definitely get better at that with time
taking a double team will help the rest of philly though, when they have Saric and Simmons fully up and running.
they really need to deal Noel though
Embiid at C, with Saric at PF looks the way to go with Okafor off the bench. Okafor could be a beast 6th man.
If you can't pass out of the double team it doesn't matter who's around you. Problem is that Simmons can't shoot which mucks up the spacing and allows teams to easily double Embiid, but you'd hope Saric can continue to develop into a rangy forward who can play inside and out which would offset that a bit.
That being said I fully expect JoJo to get better at that skill, a lot of young big men struggled with passing out of double teams (eg. Aldridge)
Embiid's block on LeBron though! :o
Quote from: plumdog millionaire on November 06, 2016, 05:18:44 PM
Cavs exposed Embiid's inability to handle the double team, but he'll definitely get better at that with time
It wasn't just JoJo though, the entire team just decided to go full tank mode in the last 2 minutes. I think JoJo has had 2 errant passes down the stretch in both games, but he wasn't helped out by the crap surrounding him on the team. I'm also surprised they didn't bring Ersan on for the last minute since he was hitting the 3 well all night, it would have created some floor spacing. Covington has been trash so the Cavs didn't even both to guard him down the stretch.
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Embiid's block on LeBron though! :o
That was sick. The dude is a beast.
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Embiid's block on LeBron though! :o
That was sick. The dude is a beast.
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Was clear Goal Tending, Lebron has enough experience to know if it touches the glass before it hits his hand then its goal tending. The reason why Lebron is soo good at chase down blocks is his timing, just a split second earlier from embiid and it would have been a fantastic block.
Still Impressive regardless, to chase down Lebron and shows great athleticism. Im a big big fan of Jo Jo.
If it isn't in downward flight and it doesn't have a shot of going in then it isn't goal tending. That's basically what they judged it off.
I can't remember which game it was that I was watching and there was one that was still on the lip of the rim and they didn't call it.
Quote from: Mat0369 on November 07, 2016, 08:10:05 PM
If it isn't in downward flight and it doesn't have a shot of going in then it isn't goal tending. That's basically what they judged it off.
I can't remember which game it was that I was watching and there was one that was still on the lip of the rim and they didn't call it.
Haha cmon Mat, that was a pretty obvious goal-tend that I really can't believe they missed. Still was great to see Embiid show off that kind of athleticism though.
Quote from: Mat0369 on November 07, 2016, 08:10:05 PM
If it isn't in downward flight and it doesn't have a shot of going in then it isn't goal tending. That's basically what they judged it off.
I can't remember which game it was that I was watching and there was one that was still on the lip of the rim and they didn't call it.
It was goaltending, you can't touch the ball after it has touched the backboard regardless of flight
That was the official expination, don't blame me.
It's probably about time he got one to go his way anyway. He's had 3-4 others that were either called goal tending or fouls when they weren't
I'll have to watch it again, I assumed Embiid got hands to it first...
Quote from: jvalles69 on November 07, 2016, 08:38:37 PM
I'll have to watch it again, I assumed Embiid got hands to it first...
Yep, straight up goal tend now explanation required, just admit you go the call wrong. Few extra dollars on Embiids price in DT though! ;D
Both JoJo and Jah are on 20-24 minute restrictions with no back to backs until Christmas. They will reevaluate it then. Brown said that the reevaluation doesn't necessarily mean more minutes for either. It could in fact be less.
So Jeff Teague is still better than George Hill right???
Quote from: plumdog millionaire on November 08, 2016, 01:24:37 PM
So Jeff Teague is still better than George Hill right???
Haha was he ever? :P
Its so weird scrolling through a Miami box score and looking for Wade's name...then remembering... :(
Gosh Steph is soo overrated... He's missed half his free throws :-\
Quote from: plumdog millionaire on November 08, 2016, 05:21:05 PM
Gosh Steph is soo overrated... He's missed half his free throws :-\
his 13/17 3pm is pretty darn amazing.
its a shame as Davis actually had some team mates turn up and if Curry handt gone so insane the Pelicans might have got their first win.
almost 80% of the teams points is coming from Klay Curry Durrant.
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Quote from: plumdog millionaire on November 08, 2016, 05:21:05 PM
Gosh Steph is soo overrated... He's missed half his free throws :-\
his 13/17 3pm is pretty darn amazing.
its a shame as Davis actually had some team mates turn up and if Curry handt gone so insane the Pelicans might have got their first win.
almost 80% of the teams points is coming from Klay Curry Durrant.
5:4 Assist to TO ratio, not good enough
Yeah what do you expect haha, that was pretty standard with those big 3 Heat teams
The jerseys the heat wore today were wack
Turns out if 2 of your best 3 players are out, you can be blown out by the Nuggets and Wizards :(
please Pacers. PG13 good finish. Just get it to OT
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Quote from: plumdog millionaire on November 08, 2016, 01:24:37 PM
So Jeff Teague is still better than George Hill right???
Haha was he ever? :P
JEFF TEAGUE on fire tonight
I'll take the reigning WESTERN CONFERENCE PLAYER OF THE WEEK over him
Pelicans>Bucks
Bulls>Heat
Warriors>Nuggets
Lakers>Kings
20/1
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JoJo is a beast.
In honor of Philly winning their first game I'm getting a Shirley Temple for JoJo cause Shirley Temple's did this
So Wiggins has the best 3 pt percentage in the league at the moment.
Quote from: Mat0369 on November 13, 2016, 02:51:17 AM
So Wiggins has the best 3 pt percentage in the league at the moment.
Wiggins, DeRozan and Gay - what a time to be a one dimensional, average efficiency mid range scorer!
Faaaaarrrrrkkkkk! I'm currently coming 1st in Moneyball 10K swish...but Gary Harris was a late out so I'm going to have a donut. :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
Quote from: jvalles69 on November 14, 2016, 01:42:48 PM
Faaaaarrrrrkkkkk! I'm currently coming 1st in Moneyball 10K swish...but Gary Harris was a late out so I'm going to have a donut. :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
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Quote from: Mat0369 on November 13, 2016, 02:51:17 AM
So Wiggins has the best 3 pt percentage in the league at the moment.
3 Pointers weren't quite on target today but 47 points was pretty impressive. Running hot at the moment.
I know I rip on Westbrook a bit on here (Sorry Russ fans), but his defence this year has reached Harden levels of bad.
Holy shower fellas, I'm closing in!!! :o
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Who's quarters do you have remaining?
Quote from: fanTCfool on November 17, 2016, 05:22:03 PM
Who's quarters do you have remaining?
Boogie and Collison, 1 guy above me has LMA.
Winner winner chicken dinner!!!!
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Winner winner chicken dinner!!!!
Check that, I'm well ahead now, but still some players in play...
Yeeeeeeee Haaaaaaaaaaaa! Thanks Boogie and Collison! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Great work mate! Enjoy that prize ;D
What was da prize?
Quote from: RiOtChEsS on November 17, 2016, 11:24:07 PM
What was da prize?
Looked like $3000 if the screenshot above is on the money.
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Quote from: fanTCfool on November 17, 2016, 11:26:10 PM
Quote from: RiOtChEsS on November 17, 2016, 11:24:07 PM
What was da prize?
Looked like $3000 if the screenshot above is on the money.
oh snap! your shout jvalles :D
Yessir! 3 teams in today see how I go...this could be a full time job! :D
Noice
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Quote from: RiOtChEsS on November 17, 2016, 11:24:07 PM
What was da prize?
Looked like $3000 if the screenshot above is on the money.
oh snap! your shout jvalles :D
Yessir! 3 teams in today see how I go...this could be a full time job! :D
Had my first crack at the draftstars free comp today, woot woot ;)
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Damn, you two are on fire!
Yeah boi!!!
I'm taking this seriously now, lots of analysis going into my teams, got cash back today, gotta get a few lucky picks to get up the top!
They have hooked me in, now they will jack up the price :D
Quote from: RiOtChEsS on November 18, 2016, 09:01:36 PM
They have hooked me in, now they will jack up the price :D
Problem with Draftstars is players prices increase, but rarely come down which sucks, Moneyball players fluctuate in price a lot more realistically, for example, Horford hasn't played for ages but he's basement price, in Draftstars he is still priced at last years average...stupid.
Quote from: jvalles69 on November 19, 2016, 03:16:07 AM
Quote from: RiOtChEsS on November 18, 2016, 09:01:36 PM
They have hooked me in, now they will jack up the price :D
Problem with Draftstars is players prices increase, but rarely come down which sucks, Moneyball players fluctuate in price a lot more realistically, for example, Horford hasn't played for ages but he's basement price, in Draftstars he is still priced at last years average...stupid.
Everyone plays with the same rules it's not like people playing draft stars can get moneyball prices
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Quote from: jvalles69 on November 19, 2016, 03:16:07 AM
Quote from: RiOtChEsS on November 18, 2016, 09:01:36 PM
They have hooked me in, now they will jack up the price :D
Problem with Draftstars is players prices increase, but rarely come down which sucks, Moneyball players fluctuate in price a lot more realistically, for example, Horford hasn't played for ages but he's basement price, in Draftstars he is still priced at last years average...stupid.
Everyone plays with the same rules it's not like people playing draft stars can get moneyball prices
just realized it was "top 8" not draftstars, those commercials clearly brainwashed me ;D
does "moneyball" have any free games or are they all pay to play?
Quote from: R.Griffen on November 19, 2016, 09:06:13 AM
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Quote from: RiOtChEsS on November 18, 2016, 09:01:36 PM
They have hooked me in, now they will jack up the price :D
Problem with Draftstars is players prices increase, but rarely come down which sucks, Moneyball players fluctuate in price a lot more realistically, for example, Horford hasn't played for ages but he's basement price, in Draftstars he is still priced at last years average...stupid.
Everyone plays with the same rules it's not like people playing draft stars can get moneyball prices
Thats true, but it's more of a luck based thing than educated picks which you can do with moneball.
4th place today in the 15Ker, $365 payout! ;D 8)
Welcome back, Al ;)
So Nik Stauskas is quietly having a good season. Some highlights from the game
https://twitter.com/Sixers/status/800181510963863553
And JoJo is still a beast. 17 first quarter points and hit back to back 3's early. He finished 3/5 from outside on the night.
Quote from: Mat0369 on November 20, 2016, 10:20:54 PM
So Nik Stauskas is quietly having a good season. Some highlights from the game
https://twitter.com/Sixers/status/800181510963863553
And JoJo is still a beast. 17 first quarter points and hit back to back 3's early. He finished 3/5 from outside on the night.
I have definitely changed my opinion in Philly drafting him, his ceiling is astronomical
Quote from: Mat0369 on November 20, 2016, 10:20:54 PM
So Nik Stauskas is quietly having a good season. Some highlights from the game
https://twitter.com/Sixers/status/800181510963863553
And JoJo is still a beast. 17 first quarter points and hit back to back 3's early. He finished 3/5 from outside on the night.
I'll wait until we actually see Embiid playing proper basketball. Being force-fed a 39% usage rate on the worst team in the league isn't exactly the best environment to judge a player. I'm sure he'll be good though.
Quote from: RiOtChEsS on November 21, 2016, 09:32:22 AM
Quote from: Mat0369 on November 20, 2016, 10:20:54 PM
So Nik Stauskas is quietly having a good season. Some highlights from the game
https://twitter.com/Sixers/status/800181510963863553
And JoJo is still a beast. 17 first quarter points and hit back to back 3's early. He finished 3/5 from outside on the night.
I have definitely changed my opinion in Philly drafting him, his ceiling is astronomical
Settle down Marcz, it was only against Phoenix ... :'( ;)
The 6'ers have 4 wins!
RoCo came up clutch down the stretch in that game on both ends of the floor. When he hit that 3 he had a huge grin on his face, it looked like relief. If anything hopefully it gives him the confidence boost he needs to get his shooting back on track.
Quote from: j959 on November 22, 2016, 05:06:53 PM
Quote from: RiOtChEsS on November 21, 2016, 09:32:22 AM
Quote from: Mat0369 on November 20, 2016, 10:20:54 PM
So Nik Stauskas is quietly having a good season. Some highlights from the game
https://twitter.com/Sixers/status/800181510963863553
And JoJo is still a beast. 17 first quarter points and hit back to back 3's early. He finished 3/5 from outside on the night.
I have definitely changed my opinion in Philly drafting him, his ceiling is astronomical
Settle down Marcz, it was only against Phoenix ... :'( ;)
Seven footer that blocks shots, has a post game hits 3's n runs the floor... there's about a handful of em ;)
Guys if you can, put on the Cavs game. Love has 32 in the FIRST QUARTER
Quote from: plumdog millionaire on November 24, 2016, 12:30:07 PM
Guys if you can, put on the Cavs game. Love has 32 in the FIRST QUARTER
calling it now he finishes sub 50 some how. Shame its no Kyrie he would push Kobe is lebron just kept feeding him the ball.
Quote from: plumdog millionaire on November 24, 2016, 12:30:07 PM
Guys if you can, put on the Cavs game. Love has 32 in the FIRST QUARTER
just noticed this, 8 triples :o
Quote from: RiOtChEsS on November 24, 2016, 12:40:38 PM
Quote from: plumdog millionaire on November 24, 2016, 12:30:07 PM
Guys if you can, put on the Cavs game. Love has 32 in the FIRST QUARTER
just noticed this, 8 triples :o
crazy but he has sat on the bench for 3:30 in the 2nd soo far :(
Quote from: Holz on November 24, 2016, 12:40:12 PM
Quote from: plumdog millionaire on November 24, 2016, 12:30:07 PM
Guys if you can, put on the Cavs game. Love has 32 in the FIRST QUARTER
calling it now he finishes sub 50 some how. Shame its no Kyrie he would push Kobe is lebron just kept feeding him the ball.
I wouldn't be surprised as it's easier to deny the ball to big men
Edit: Also the Cavs are up big so they may as well keep their bench on court
Quote from: plumdog millionaire on November 24, 2016, 12:47:10 PM
Quote from: Holz on November 24, 2016, 12:40:12 PM
Quote from: plumdog millionaire on November 24, 2016, 12:30:07 PM
Guys if you can, put on the Cavs game. Love has 32 in the FIRST QUARTER
calling it now he finishes sub 50 some how. Shame its no Kyrie he would push Kobe is lebron just kept feeding him the ball.
I wouldn't be surprised as it's easier to deny the ball to big men
Edit: Also the Cavs are up big so they may as well keep their bench on court
he is not really he is a big man he is a big shooting guard.
24/34 points came from 3 point range, you cant stop that.
sitting on the bench this long he would have gone cold so i reckon he will struggle to break 40.
was going to yell to the cavs to get frye off but he has taken over Love's role and gone 3/4 3pm
Poor Portland you cant do much against 14/19 3pm
Quote from: Holz on November 24, 2016, 12:43:47 PM
Quote from: RiOtChEsS on November 24, 2016, 12:40:38 PM
Quote from: plumdog millionaire on November 24, 2016, 12:30:07 PM
Guys if you can, put on the Cavs game. Love has 32 in the FIRST QUARTER
just noticed this, 8 triples :o
crazy but he has sat on the bench for 3:30 in the 2nd soo far :(
couple guys have him C in moneyball, 2nd qtr an his score was 80pts, im like ??? has to be a stuff up, checks stats :o
Honestly thought it would be Kyrie who would go mental today, playing against guards with average D that jack 3's...
Quote from: Holz on November 24, 2016, 12:51:28 PM
Quote from: plumdog millionaire on November 24, 2016, 12:47:10 PM
Quote from: Holz on November 24, 2016, 12:40:12 PM
Quote from: plumdog millionaire on November 24, 2016, 12:30:07 PM
Guys if you can, put on the Cavs game. Love has 32 in the FIRST QUARTER
calling it now he finishes sub 50 some how. Shame its no Kyrie he would push Kobe is lebron just kept feeding him the ball.
I wouldn't be surprised as it's easier to deny the ball to big men
Edit: Also the Cavs are up big so they may as well keep their bench on court
he is not really he is a big man he is a big shooting guard.
24/34 points came from 3 point range, you cant stop that.
sitting on the bench this long he would have gone cold so i reckon he will struggle to break 40.
was going to yell to the cavs to get frye off but he has taken over Love's role and gone 3/4 3pm
Poor Portland you cant do much against 14/19 3pm
okay...
Just seen Lavine do a 360 from the FT line :o :o
Quote from: RiOtChEsS on November 24, 2016, 01:11:58 PM
Just seen Lavine do a 360 from the FT line :o :o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYgJXBuAzXs
Quote from: RiOtChEsS on November 24, 2016, 01:12:56 PM
Quote from: RiOtChEsS on November 24, 2016, 01:11:58 PM
Just seen Lavine do a 360 from the FT line :o :o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYgJXBuAzXs
Impressive but for a minute there I thought you meant he did it IN A GAME!!! :o ;)
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Quote from: RiOtChEsS on November 24, 2016, 01:12:56 PM
Quote from: RiOtChEsS on November 24, 2016, 01:11:58 PM
Just seen Lavine do a 360 from the FT line :o :o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYgJXBuAzXs
Impressive but for a minute there I thought you meant he did it IN A GAME!!! :o ;)
Like to see sports science break that down, the speed he has to arrive at the line combined with the right angle pivot for launch...
GS commentary team burning the Wolves.
'Every time I see Rubio in a Wolves uniform I'm thankful. Rubio was pick 6 in the draft allowing Golden State to take Steph Curry at pick 7'.
They are slightly wrong in the order, but that has to be one of the worst draft hauls ever for the Wolves. They took Rubio at 5 and Johnny Flynn at 6. Steph went at pick 7. They also took Ty Lawson at 18 and traded him to Denver. They also took Wayne Ellington in that draft. Some of the other guards other then Steph taken in that draft include DeRozan, Henderson, Holiday, Teague, Beverly, Collison, Mills, Green and Jennings.
Quote from: Mat0369 on November 27, 2016, 04:29:02 PM
GS commentary team burning the Wolves.
'Every time I see Rubio in a Wolves uniform I'm thankful. Rubio was pick 6 in the draft allowing Golden State to take Steph Curry at pick 7'.
They are slightly wrong in the order, but that has to be one of the worst draft hauls ever for the Wolves. They took Rubio at 5 and Johnny Flynn at 6. Steph went at pick 7. They also took Ty Lawson at 18 and traded him to Denver. They also took Wayne Ellington in that draft. Some of the other guards other then Steph taken in that draft include DeRozan, Henderson, Holiday, Teague, Beverly, Collison, Mills, Green and Jennings.
Ewwww that has gotta burn
Quote from: RiOtChEsS on November 28, 2016, 09:09:01 AM
Quote from: Mat0369 on November 27, 2016, 04:29:02 PM
GS commentary team burning the Wolves.
'Every time I see Rubio in a Wolves uniform I'm thankful. Rubio was pick 6 in the draft allowing Golden State to take Steph Curry at pick 7'.
They are slightly wrong in the order, but that has to be one of the worst draft hauls ever for the Wolves. They took Rubio at 5 and Johnny Flynn at 6. Steph went at pick 7. They also took Ty Lawson at 18 and traded him to Denver. They also took Wayne Ellington in that draft. Some of the other guards other then Steph taken in that draft include DeRozan, Henderson, Holiday, Teague, Beverly, Collison, Mills, Green and Jennings.
Ewwww that has gotta burn
On top of that Flynn couldn't even cut it at NBL level! :o
Quote from: jvalles69 on November 28, 2016, 12:05:52 PM
Quote from: RiOtChEsS on November 28, 2016, 09:09:01 AM
Quote from: Mat0369 on November 27, 2016, 04:29:02 PM
GS commentary team burning the Wolves.
'Every time I see Rubio in a Wolves uniform I'm thankful. Rubio was pick 6 in the draft allowing Golden State to take Steph Curry at pick 7'.
They are slightly wrong in the order, but that has to be one of the worst draft hauls ever for the Wolves. They took Rubio at 5 and Johnny Flynn at 6. Steph went at pick 7. They also took Ty Lawson at 18 and traded him to Denver. They also took Wayne Ellington in that draft. Some of the other guards other then Steph taken in that draft include DeRozan, Henderson, Holiday, Teague, Beverly, Collison, Mills, Green and Jennings.
Ewwww that has gotta burn
On top of that Flynn couldn't even cut it at NBL level! :o
ha, ha! forgot about that - which team did he play for?
ok Phoenix ... time to tank like for 'reals' now ... please put Dragan Bender into the starting line-up at PF (way too light but tonnes of length at 7ft tall, not sure his wing-span) ...
sorry, just bitter after they 'threw away' another game in the 4th qtr against Denver, who are obviously known as an 'ice clutch' team ... ::) :P ;)
as a fan, i'm already looking at NBA draft 2017 prospects ... :-X :-[ ;)
Quote from: j959 on November 28, 2016, 04:46:47 PM
Quote from: jvalles69 on November 28, 2016, 12:05:52 PM
Quote from: RiOtChEsS on November 28, 2016, 09:09:01 AM
Quote from: Mat0369 on November 27, 2016, 04:29:02 PM
GS commentary team burning the Wolves.
'Every time I see Rubio in a Wolves uniform I'm thankful. Rubio was pick 6 in the draft allowing Golden State to take Steph Curry at pick 7'.
They are slightly wrong in the order, but that has to be one of the worst draft hauls ever for the Wolves. They took Rubio at 5 and Johnny Flynn at 6. Steph went at pick 7. They also took Ty Lawson at 18 and traded him to Denver. They also took Wayne Ellington in that draft. Some of the other guards other then Steph taken in that draft include DeRozan, Henderson, Holiday, Teague, Beverly, Collison, Mills, Green and Jennings.
Ewwww that has gotta burn
On top of that Flynn couldn't even cut it at NBL level! :o
ha, ha! forgot about that - which team did he play for?
ok Phoenix ... time to tank like for 'reals' now ... please put Dragan Bender into the starting line-up at PF (way too light but tonnes of length at 7ft tall, not sure his wing-span) ...
sorry, just bitter after they 'threw away' another game in the 4th qtr against Denver, who are obviously known as an 'ice clutch' team ... ::) :P ;)
as a fan, i'm already looking at NBA draft 2017 prospects ... :-X :-[ ;)
As painful as it might be for PHX fans, I think you are right. This is the perfect year to tank, for one good reason... Because no one else is! The past few seasons there have been half a dozen teams racing to the bottom, whereas no one really is this season. Teams that have had some good lottery picks lately but haven't got that transformational player (think of the Suns and Magic) should forget about their expectations for this season and just race to the bottom.
As for Bender, I loved him at the draft and am still a huge fan. Hopefully he gets some run over the rest of this season!
I hope the Kings get a better draft pick then the 6'ers. We can just swap it anyway :P
Shout-out to Evan Turner who is currently chasing hard after what I thought was an unattainable record, Roy Hibbert's infamous season of minus-684 in 2015/16. Turner is currently at -169 from his 19 games, on pace for an unbelievable -729 should he play 82 games! It's truly amazing how a team paying millions of dollars for pro personnel scouting can get it so wrong that they're paying $70 million over 4 years to a guy who when he is on the court, they play to a level worse than the 2011/12 Bobcats who went 7-59, and when he's off the court, they play at a level better than any team other than GSW, LAC and CLE.
Brad Stevens' two greatest coaching performances have been Jordan Crawford winning a player of the week award and subsequently Boston trading him for an asset only for him to be out of the league a moment later, and making Evan Turner look like a good player. Granted, he isn't as bad as he has been this season - Stevie Wonder could see that Portland was a horrible fit for him. He needs to be on a team where he can be the primary creator for the second unit, not standing in the corner letting the defense sag completely off of him. Keep getting 'dem cheques, Evan!
Quote from: Jay on November 30, 2016, 02:53:39 AM
Shout-out to Evan Turner who is currently chasing hard after what I thought was an unattainable record, Roy Hibbert's infamous season of minus-684 in 2015/16. Turner is currently at -169 from his 19 games, on pace for an unbelievable -729 should he play 82 games! It's truly amazing how a team paying millions of dollars for pro personnel scouting can get it so wrong that they're paying $70 million over 4 years to a guy who when he is on the court, they play to a level worse than the 2011/12 Bobcats who went 7-59, and when he's off the court, they play at a level better than any team other than GSW, LAC and CLE.
Brad Stevens' two greatest coaching performances have been Jordan Crawford winning a player of the week award and subsequently Boston trading him for an asset only for him to be out of the league a moment later, and making Evan Turner look like a good player. Granted, he isn't as bad as he has been this season - Stevie Wonder could see that Portland was a horrible fit for him. He needs to be on a team where he can be the primary creator for the second unit, not standing in the corner letting the defense sag completely off of him. Keep getting 'dem cheques, Evan!
I actually thought they would let him be the primary ball handler on the second unit, they just rolled with what they were already doing and expected him to fit in though, looks to be an odd sign with how they are using him, gotta love that +minus ;D
Anyone else think that Butler at $67 to win MVP seems way too high? I think he fits the bill.. Clear #1 player on his team, the team might be able to win 50 games, 25.8ppg with a PER of 29.3, he really is having a great season. Once you cross out Durant and Curry because I don't think voters will determine either of them to be the most valuable, you cross off Westbrook for being on a not good enough team, and you're left with guys like Harden, LBJ, Butler, Leonard and CP3. Unfortunately, I don't think CP3 will put up high enough points per game numbers for the less intelligent voters to realise just how good he is.
Giannis, DeRozan and Cousins have shorter odds which is just absurd. Butler certainly isn't the best player in the league, but is it possible he can win the award? I think so - we've seen it happen before with a Chicago Bull where such player wasn't even close to the best player in the league but won MVP quite comfortably ;)
Butler is no chance. There are 4 guys clearly ahead of him in the voting based on basic numbers. Westbrook is averaging a triple double, Harden is averaging double digit points and assists, KD is averaging a minimum of 25-6-5 and LeBron almost has a double double in points and assists. Even with KD and Steph playing together it's a non factor. Durant is probably putting up good enough numbers to win it.
All I know is JoJo will be league MVP within the next 4 seasons!
Just a little bit of a prediction for the Kings vs 6'ers tomorrow, Sauce scores 19+ points and shoots a minimum of 60% from 3. JoJo finishes with 18+ points, 9+ rebounds, 3+ assists and 4+ blocks leading to a Sixers win
I agree that if the season stopped now, KD should clearly be the MVP. I'm just not convinced that the voters will see it that way.
Surely Anthony Davis Deserves the MVP.
He is scoring the most points in the game (easily) and is the most efficient player in the game (easily). Not only that he is the leader in blocks while averaging a double double and shooting over 80% from the FT line.
He is even 13th in the league in Steals.
and for someone handling the ball soo much on such a poor team his turn overs is low. its as low as durrant who handles it less on a far better team and half of Harden Brook.
his usage rate is high but not crazy high. Westbrook has it 40%+ times, Davis is a high 34%.
They are 6-4 in the last 10 and if Holiday stays healthy giving him the ball and they sneak into the 8th you got to give the MVP to him if he keeps this up.
Quote from: Holz on December 01, 2016, 10:44:06 AM
Surely Anthony Davis Deserves the MVP.
He is scoring the most points in the game (easily) and is the most efficient player in the game (easily). Not only that he is the leader in blocks while averaging a double double and shooting over 80% from the FT line.
He is even 13th in the league in Steals.
and for someone handling the ball soo much on such a poor team his turn overs is low. its as low as durrant who handles it less on a far better team and half of Harden Brook.
his usage rate is high but not crazy high. Westbrook has it 40%+ times, Davis is a high 34%.
They are 6-4 in the last 10 and if Holiday stays healthy giving him the ball and they sneak into the 8th you got to give the MVP to him if he keeps this up.
Not if Westbrook averages a trip dub for the season and they make the 8 too. Doubt both teams will make the 8, but there is a very real possibility that AD and Westbrook break the mold of an MVP without making finals, otherwise it'll be Durant.
If the season ends now,
Who will win MVP: LeBron/Durant
Who SHOULD win: Take your pick from Westbrook/Davis/LeBron/Durant
The MVP ought to be renamed 'Most Outstanding Player of the Top 4 Teams'... Rattles right off he tongue I know
Quote from: Mat0369 on November 29, 2016, 12:52:16 AM
I hope the Kings get a better draft pick then the 6'ers. We can just swap it anyway :P
I thought that deal was for the season just gone and its over now.
Quote from: valkorum on December 01, 2016, 06:19:17 PM
Quote from: Mat0369 on November 29, 2016, 12:52:16 AM
I hope the Kings get a better draft pick then the 6'ers. We can just swap it anyway :P
I thought that deal was for the season just gone and its over now.
I just looked it up, it was a pick swap for 2016 & 2017... but the Kings are 3 games ahead of the 76'er at this stage. If it stays that way then there will be no swap (unless the Kings actually get lucky at a lottery)
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Quote from: valkorum on December 01, 2016, 06:19:17 PM
Quote from: Mat0369 on November 29, 2016, 12:52:16 AM
I hope the Kings get a better draft pick then the 6'ers. We can just swap it anyway :P
I thought that deal was for the season just gone and its over now.
I just looked it up, it was a pick swap for 2016 & 2017... but the Kings are 3 games ahead of the 76'er at this stage. If it stays that way then there will be no swap (unless the Kings actually get lucky at a lottery)
I'm hoping they jag pick 1
Quote from: Holz on December 01, 2016, 06:24:34 PM
I'm hoping they jag pick 1
No chance - we are good at going backwards or staying still in the lottery
Why'd the SAC and Philly game get postponed?
Quote from: elephants on December 01, 2016, 09:00:25 PM
Why'd the SAC and Philly game get postponed?
The court was wet and slippery
Quote from: Mat0369 on December 01, 2016, 02:00:30 AM
Just a little bit of a prediction for the Kings vs 6'ers tomorrow, Sauce scores 19+ points and shoots a minimum of 60% from 3. JoJo finishes with 18+ points, 9+ rebounds, 3+ assists and 4+ blocks leading to a Sixers win
Or there is condensation on the court and they postpone it ::)
I was looking forward to watching that game, I spent all day avoiding scores so I had no idea it was even postponed until now. Talk about a disappointment.
Quote from: valkorum on December 01, 2016, 06:19:17 PM
I thought that deal was for the season just gone and its over now.
2 years of pick swaps because they owe a non lottery pick to I think it's Chicago and then we also have the unprotected I think 2020 pick?
And JoJo was about to have his minutes increased to 28 tonight! Damn it.
Quote from: fanTCfool on December 01, 2016, 09:02:41 PM
Quote from: elephants on December 01, 2016, 09:00:25 PM
Why'd the SAC and Philly game get postponed?
The court was wet and slippery
There was condensation coming from the ice rink that was underneath the court. They couldnt get that stopped so they called off the game. Boogie even had a mop out trying to clean up the court so they could play
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFFphh7NKYg
Knew I'd missed an important thread this offseason... Not gonna catch up on everything here but just commenting to jump on board.
Also, how good are my Lakers right now??
Quote from: LaHug on December 02, 2016, 12:25:54 PM
Knew I'd missed an important thread this offseason... Not gonna catch up on everything here but just commenting to jump on board.
Also, how good are my Lakers right now??
Lolm Luke Walton in talks of COY! :o
Quote from: LaHug on December 02, 2016, 12:25:54 PM
Knew I'd missed an important thread this offseason... Not gonna catch up on everything here but just commenting to jump on board.
Also, how good are my Lakers right now??
10-10 soo average.
which for the lakers is very very good.
Considering I was expecting ~20-25 wins all year, I'll happily take 10 in the first quarter of the season.
Quote from: LaHug on December 02, 2016, 03:09:45 PM
Considering I was expecting ~20-25 wins all year, I'll happily take 10 in the first quarter of the season.
as a Suns fan, i'd take that - although, they really should just tank now, but apparently it could be a pretty 'deep' draft pool so maybe a top3 pick isn't required??
a bit like this years' AFL draft where any of the top 5-7 could have potentially been taken no1??
How good was that game, double OT, Steph and Draymond fouled out, Draymond nearly kicking Harden in the face (this is bad), record combined amount of 3pt attempted, Houston upset win in Oakland
Quote from: TomK on December 02, 2016, 07:03:34 PM
How good was that game, double OT, Steph and Draymond fouled out, Draymond nearly kicking Harden in the face (this is bad), record combined amount of 3pt attempted, Houston upset win in Oakland
yeah that was a corker, how stagnant is Houston's Offense :o
I cant believe they put up that many points outta late in the shot clock isolation contested jump shots
Quote from: RiOtChEsS on December 02, 2016, 08:56:04 PM
Quote from: TomK on December 02, 2016, 07:03:34 PM
How good was that game, double OT, Steph and Draymond fouled out, Draymond nearly kicking Harden in the face (this is bad), record combined amount of 3pt attempted, Houston upset win in Oakland
yeah that was a corker, how stagnant is Houston's Offense :o
I cant believe they put up that many points outta late in the shot clock isolation contested jump shots
I can't believe I missed that game...
Bell Biv Devoe were the half time act for the 6'ers game. They were soooo bad. I don't know what was worse, them or the 6'ers shooting?
Quote from: Mat0369 on December 03, 2016, 06:03:13 PM
Bell Biv Devoe were the half time act for the 6'ers game. They were soooo bad. I don't know what was worse, them or the 6'ers shooting?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9tiFWPqFtc
Philly just couldn't guard IT down the stretch. Fun game!
Quote from: RiOtChEsS on December 04, 2016, 11:31:26 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9tiFWPqFtc
Their half time show was pretty bad.
Quote from: Jay on December 04, 2016, 03:00:40 PM
Philly just couldn't guard IT down the stretch. Fun game!
He was just too fast. The 6'ers guards aren't that good defensively and Jah doesn't have the lateral agility that JoJo has. Dario was an absolute beast in that game as well. They were the two clear best players on both teams in that game.
Just the 60 from Klay in 29 minutes
Quote from: R.Griffen on December 06, 2016, 05:26:54 PM
Just the 60 from Klay in 29 minutes
I kinda wish it hadn't been a blowout so he could've kept going. Unfortunately, this Warriors team is way too good to have someone score 60 and not be a blowout.
Quote from: R.Griffen on December 06, 2016, 05:26:54 PM
Just the 60 from Klay in 29 minutes
Whats even more scary is that he only had the ball in his had for 90 seconds for the entire game.... and only took 11 dribbles.
Quote from: valkorum on December 07, 2016, 12:17:50 PM
Quote from: R.Griffen on December 06, 2016, 05:26:54 PM
Just the 60 from Klay in 29 minutes
Whats even more scary is that he only had the ball in his had for 90 seconds for the entire game.... and only took 11 dribbles.
I read that the stat was misinterpreted and it was actually 11 dribbles leading to his made baskets but he actually took about 52 (I think it was) dribbles for the game. Not sure about the 90 seconds stat but my initial guess would be it's the same logic.
Quote from: LaHug on December 07, 2016, 02:16:03 PM
Quote from: valkorum on December 07, 2016, 12:17:50 PM
Quote from: R.Griffen on December 06, 2016, 05:26:54 PM
Just the 60 from Klay in 29 minutes
Whats even more scary is that he only had the ball in his had for 90 seconds for the entire game.... and only took 11 dribbles.
I read that the stat was misinterpreted and it was actually 11 dribbles leading to his made baskets but he actually took about 52 (I think it was) dribbles for the game. Not sure about the 90 seconds stat but my initial guess would be it's the same logic.
90secs?? :o ???
are they basically saying all he did was 'catch & shoot'?? :P ;)
Quote from: j959 on December 07, 2016, 02:53:12 PM
Quote from: LaHug on December 07, 2016, 02:16:03 PM
Quote from: valkorum on December 07, 2016, 12:17:50 PM
Quote from: R.Griffen on December 06, 2016, 05:26:54 PM
Just the 60 from Klay in 29 minutes
Whats even more scary is that he only had the ball in his had for 90 seconds for the entire game.... and only took 11 dribbles.
I read that the stat was misinterpreted and it was actually 11 dribbles leading to his made baskets but he actually took about 52 (I think it was) dribbles for the game. Not sure about the 90 seconds stat but my initial guess would be it's the same logic.
90secs?? :o ???
are they basically saying all he did was 'catch & shoot'?? :P ;)
I'll let his highlights vid answer that: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUVzjBfGSzI
Quote from: LaHug on December 07, 2016, 03:08:41 PM
Quote from: j959 on December 07, 2016, 02:53:12 PM
Quote from: LaHug on December 07, 2016, 02:16:03 PM
Quote from: valkorum on December 07, 2016, 12:17:50 PM
Quote from: R.Griffen on December 06, 2016, 05:26:54 PM
Just the 60 from Klay in 29 minutes
Whats even more scary is that he only had the ball in his had for 90 seconds for the entire game.... and only took 11 dribbles.
I read that the stat was misinterpreted and it was actually 11 dribbles leading to his made baskets but he actually took about 52 (I think it was) dribbles for the game. Not sure about the 90 seconds stat but my initial guess would be it's the same logic.
90secs?? :o ???
are they basically saying all he did was 'catch & shoot'?? :P ;)
I'll let his highlights vid answer that: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUVzjBfGSzI
catch and shoot or catch travel and easy layup.
where was the defense.
absolutely shocking.
Klay when hot is the best shooter in the game.
Quote from: Holz on December 07, 2016, 03:21:54 PM
Quote from: LaHug on December 07, 2016, 03:08:41 PM
Quote from: j959 on December 07, 2016, 02:53:12 PM
Quote from: LaHug on December 07, 2016, 02:16:03 PM
Quote from: valkorum on December 07, 2016, 12:17:50 PM
Quote from: R.Griffen on December 06, 2016, 05:26:54 PM
Just the 60 from Klay in 29 minutes
Whats even more scary is that he only had the ball in his had for 90 seconds for the entire game.... and only took 11 dribbles.
I read that the stat was misinterpreted and it was actually 11 dribbles leading to his made baskets but he actually took about 52 (I think it was) dribbles for the game. Not sure about the 90 seconds stat but my initial guess would be it's the same logic.
90secs?? :o ???
are they basically saying all he did was 'catch & shoot'?? :P ;)
I'll let his highlights vid answer that: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUVzjBfGSzI
catch and shoot or catch travel and easy layup.
where was the defense.
absolutely shocking.
Klay when hot is the best shooter in the game.
Salty much, there was plenty of defence he just got hot. Only 2 players in the NBA would have made some of the shots he did. Like the one in front of the warriors bench... the D was all over him, also he went to the line a bunch because he was fouled by that DEFENCE
Quote from: R.Griffen on December 07, 2016, 03:59:32 PM
Quote from: Holz on December 07, 2016, 03:21:54 PM
Quote from: LaHug on December 07, 2016, 03:08:41 PM
Quote from: j959 on December 07, 2016, 02:53:12 PM
Quote from: LaHug on December 07, 2016, 02:16:03 PM
Quote from: valkorum on December 07, 2016, 12:17:50 PM
Quote from: R.Griffen on December 06, 2016, 05:26:54 PM
Just the 60 from Klay in 29 minutes
Whats even more scary is that he only had the ball in his had for 90 seconds for the entire game.... and only took 11 dribbles.
I read that the stat was misinterpreted and it was actually 11 dribbles leading to his made baskets but he actually took about 52 (I think it was) dribbles for the game. Not sure about the 90 seconds stat but my initial guess would be it's the same logic.
90secs?? :o ???
are they basically saying all he did was 'catch & shoot'?? :P ;)
I'll let his highlights vid answer that: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUVzjBfGSzI
catch and shoot or catch travel and easy layup.
where was the defense.
absolutely shocking.
Klay when hot is the best shooter in the game.
Salty much, there was plenty of defence he just got hot. Only 2 players in the NBA would have made some of the shots he did. Like the one in front of the warriors bench... the D was all over him, also he went to the line a bunch because he was fouled by that DEFENCE
Salty?
i love Klay, he is the only guy i like on the warriors.
I wasn't talking about the shooting, I was talking about all the easy layups he got. Half of that is got to do with the warriors positioning and the fact that they have to worry about Curry and Durrant but look at the highlights its alot of walk in layup and then the rest was fantastic shooting from Klay.
Klays teammates were looking for him the entire game, was fun to watch how excited his teammates were getting for him and how selfless they all are. In saying that, perfect time to sell high on Klay and bring it a rim protecting bigman, it would make this team unstoppable. Curry, Iguodala, Durant, Dray + DJ/Whiteside/Gobert type. Would also put another player in MVP talks with Klay being the #1 option on another team.
Quote from: jvalles69 on December 07, 2016, 05:22:35 PM
Klays teammates were looking for him the entire game, was fun to watch how excited his teammates were getting for him and how selfless they all are. In saying that, perfect time to sell high on Klay and bring it a rim protecting bigman, it would make this team unstoppable. Curry, Iguodala, Durant, Dray + DJ/Whiteside/Gobert type. Would also put another player in MVP talks with Klay being the #1 option on another team.
Realistically, what sort of trade could you see happening?
If the Dubs really want someone like that they will have to wait for buyouts or trade some spare parts eg McAdoo, Looney, McCaw and even then, for who? Hibbert? Salah Mejri?
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Quote from: jvalles69 on December 07, 2016, 05:22:35 PM
Klays teammates were looking for him the entire game, was fun to watch how excited his teammates were getting for him and how selfless they all are. In saying that, perfect time to sell high on Klay and bring it a rim protecting bigman, it would make this team unstoppable. Curry, Iguodala, Durant, Dray + DJ/Whiteside/Gobert type. Would also put another player in MVP talks with Klay being the #1 option on another team.
Realistically, what sort of trade could you see happening?
If the Dubs really want someone like that they will have to wait for buyouts or trade some spare parts eg McAdoo, Looney, McCaw and even then, for who? Hibbert? Salah Mejri?
Wasn't thinking that much into it, but it would make there team better if they could move Klay for a solid big.
Nerlens Noel :P
Quote from: Mat0369 on December 07, 2016, 11:53:44 PM
Nerlens Noel :P
I like it, Philly don't want him and he's a defensive beast! Teams would hate playing the Warriors! 2 of the biggest offensive threats in the league, plus you're getting hounded by Noel, Green and Iguodala!
It's not that Philly don't want him, it's just he doesn't want to be in Philly with the abundance of big guys. Right now they are trying to evaluate who works best with Embiid and Nerlens is basically saying 'F it, I'm out' before they even get a chance. His value is low right now but he gives you a ton of defense and is on a cheap deal. Just don't expect him to develop his offensive game.
The only issue in that trade of Klay for Nerlens is they would need a crap load more in that deal. What would Philly have to give up to get it done? Probably Nerlens, the Lakers pick and maybe a future protected first? The 6'ers aren't at the point to be chasing guys like Klay for the asking price.
And speaking of JoJo,
(https://s17.postimg.org/764dvxcdb/20161205_194444.jpg)
That is your superstar player. Changes the game defensively and has every trick in his arsenal offensively. Add in Simmons and you have one of the best young duos in the league.
I personally don't want to see GSW trade anyone. I like the roster as is and clearly doesn't need to be tampered with.
No team in the league can defend their outside shooting and trading Klay would hurt the "small ball lineup." Which is the most efficient lineup in the game according to ESPN commentators who mention it at least 7 times a game.
Also moving Klay would mean they have to start McCaw or Clark there which I can't see happening. I mean they could start Iggy or Livings but mmmm...
You don't know how happy a klay Noel trade would make me.
It will be like thunder dropping harden
Simmons klay saric Okafor embiid is insane
Then add another top 5 pick this year.
Klay is as crucial to them as anyone, no one can keep up with the Warriors offensively. Even if their defense was terrible, they're still just going to out score you. I think this is the best regular season offense of all-time. And their defense isn't even that bad, in the first halves of games (so before they blow teams out) their defensive rating is 4th.
@Mat, I don't think any teams want Noel because he's going to get paid a shower load very very soon and it's questionable as to whether he is worth that.
Quote from: Jay on December 08, 2016, 09:41:27 AM
Klay is as crucial to them as anyone, no one can keep up with the Warriors offensively. Even if their defense was terrible, they're still just going to out score you. I think this is the best regular season offense of all-time. And their defense isn't even that bad, in the first halves of games (so before they blow teams out) their defensive rating is 4th.
@Mat, I don't think any teams want Noel because he's going to get paid a shower load very very soon and it's questionable as to whether he is worth that.
When on I rate James Irving smith love as keeping up
When gsw on fire they can't be stopped but I'm not sure they can outscore every night.
If GSW dont win it all this year, then they need to look at tweaking the nucleus, as of right now leave it alone
Quote from: Holz on December 08, 2016, 09:49:08 AM
Quote from: Jay on December 08, 2016, 09:41:27 AM
Klay is as crucial to them as anyone, no one can keep up with the Warriors offensively. Even if their defense was terrible, they're still just going to out score you. I think this is the best regular season offense of all-time. And their defense isn't even that bad, in the first halves of games (so before they blow teams out) their defensive rating is 4th.
@Mat, I don't think any teams want Noel because he's going to get paid a shower load very very soon and it's questionable as to whether he is worth that.
When on I rate James Irving smith love as keeping up
When gsw on fire they can't be stopped but I'm not sure they can outscore every night.
Don't have to outscore everyone every night. Only gotta outscore teams 4 times in 7 matches
Quote from: R.Griffen on December 08, 2016, 11:36:05 AM
Quote from: Holz on December 08, 2016, 09:49:08 AM
Quote from: Jay on December 08, 2016, 09:41:27 AM
Klay is as crucial to them as anyone, no one can keep up with the Warriors offensively. Even if their defense was terrible, they're still just going to out score you. I think this is the best regular season offense of all-time. And their defense isn't even that bad, in the first halves of games (so before they blow teams out) their defensive rating is 4th.
@Mat, I don't think any teams want Noel because he's going to get paid a shower load very very soon and it's questionable as to whether he is worth that.
When on I rate James Irving smith love as keeping up
When gsw on fire they can't be stopped but I'm not sure they can outscore every night.
Don't have to outscore everyone every night. Only gotta outscore teams 4 times in 7 matches
yeah i wouldn't bet against lebron and company to get 4.
my trump card is Durrant coming up against Lebron.
Quote from: Holz on December 08, 2016, 11:48:51 AM
my trump card is Durrant coming up against Lebron.
Holz secretly coach of the Cavs?
Quote from: Levi434 on December 08, 2016, 12:55:44 PM
Quote from: Holz on December 08, 2016, 11:48:51 AM
my trump card is Durrant coming up against Lebron.
Holz secretly coach of the Cavs?
nah im not Tyron Lue.
Im Mike Longabardi
Quote from: Holz on December 08, 2016, 01:07:06 PM
Quote from: Levi434 on December 08, 2016, 12:55:44 PM
Quote from: Holz on December 08, 2016, 11:48:51 AM
my trump card is Durrant coming up against Lebron.
Holz secretly coach of the Cavs?
nah im not Tyron Lue.
Im Mike Longabardi
with Delly gone, who guards Steph & Klay??
Quote from: j959 on December 08, 2016, 03:44:37 PM
Quote from: Holz on December 08, 2016, 01:07:06 PM
Quote from: Levi434 on December 08, 2016, 12:55:44 PM
Quote from: Holz on December 08, 2016, 11:48:51 AM
my trump card is Durrant coming up against Lebron.
Holz secretly coach of the Cavs?
nah im not Tyron Lue.
Im Mike Longabardi
with Delly gone, who guards Steph & Klay??
JR Smith will probably take Klay.
Irving and Steph will shoot it out and given its the playoffs and its big time Irving will come out on top.
Then its Lebron v Durrant.
if Green is shutting down Lebron then i wonder who will stop Kevin Love/
Grizzlies are torching GSW :o
No Zaza No GSW ???
Chris Paul with the first ever 20 point, 20 assist, 0 turnover game.
Point God.
Brad Stevens' after timeout plays are gorgeous.
Did anyone comment here that LeBron is the first player EVER to have 27,000 points, 7,000 rebounds, and 7,000 assists in his career? Insane!
Quote from: LaHug on December 12, 2016, 01:08:38 PM
Did anyone comment here that LeBron is the first player EVER to have 27,000 points, 7,000 rebounds, and 7,000 assists in his career? Insane!
That really is insane, considering the man is still 31 years old.
he is already 10th in Points, 16th in assist, 23rd in steals.
I really want to see if he can play into his late 30s.
he would likely be number 1 in points, top 5 in assists, top 10 in steals. If he does that and puts up 40,000+ points then I have to put him above of Jordan. Has to play 7 more seasons which is certainly possible.
Quote from: Holz on December 12, 2016, 01:34:22 PM
Quote from: LaHug on December 12, 2016, 01:08:38 PM
Did anyone comment here that LeBron is the first player EVER to have 27,000 points, 7,000 rebounds, and 7,000 assists in his career? Insane!
That really is insane, considering the man is still 31 years old.
he is already 10th in Points, 16th in assist, 23rd in steals.
I really want to see if he can play into his late 30s.
he would likely be number 1 in points, top 5 in assists, top 10 in steals. If he does that and puts up 40,000+ points then I have to put him above of Jordan. Has to play 7 more seasons which is certainly possible.
Those stats don't mean much in comparison with Jordan though. Remember he left the sport in the prime of his career
Quote from: R.Griffen on December 12, 2016, 01:42:48 PM
Quote from: Holz on December 12, 2016, 01:34:22 PM
Quote from: LaHug on December 12, 2016, 01:08:38 PM
Did anyone comment here that LeBron is the first player EVER to have 27,000 points, 7,000 rebounds, and 7,000 assists in his career? Insane!
That really is insane, considering the man is still 31 years old.
he is already 10th in Points, 16th in assist, 23rd in steals.
I really want to see if he can play into his late 30s.
he would likely be number 1 in points, top 5 in assists, top 10 in steals. If he does that and puts up 40,000+ points then I have to put him above of Jordan. Has to play 7 more seasons which is certainly possible.
Those stats don't mean much in comparison with Jordan though. Remember he left the sport in the prime of his career
Ill make a controversial call but thats a blemish on his career, doenst matter what the reason is but when your looking at overall career playing for more seasons and still playing at an elite level does count from something. Its why Kareem is rated soo high in terms of centres shaq at his best destroys kareem but kareem was elite for soo many years that most including me have Kareem over shaq.
Jordan really has 13 years with the bulls and thats it. The wizard years he was decent but not himself.
Lebron really has had more elite years already. That has to count for something.
Another big point is he has already played far more playoffs (considering he makes the finals basically ever year while Jordan got knocked out earlier).
So of course his per game isnt as good because he has simply played alot more basketball.
He choose to leave the game and while there where personal reasons to doing so, its not like he was pushed out like Magic was with his illness.
Longevity counts.
It looks like Westbrook's streak of Triple Doubles is about to come to an end, only the 4 assists and the last quarter has begun
Quote from: Holz on December 12, 2016, 01:51:28 PM
Ill make a controversial call
(https://tse4.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.M8fd4426cb17b16dc90e4a1b017c7361aH0&pid=15.1)
It's all about the rings, if Lebron doesn't win more rings than MJ then no way he deserves the GOAT title. Twice as many years with less rings may be Lebrons blemish on his career. If he ties number of rings at least, then the argument can be had.
My two cents: MJ >> LBJ >>>>> the rest.
Quote from: fanTCfool on December 12, 2016, 01:55:58 PM
It looks like Westbrook's streak of Triple Doubles is about to come to an end, only the 4 assists and the last quarter has begun
34 Points
11 Boards
16 Missed Shots
Still counts?
Quote from: fanTCfool on December 12, 2016, 02:19:19 PM
Quote from: fanTCfool on December 12, 2016, 01:55:58 PM
It looks like Westbrook's streak of Triple Doubles is about to come to an end, only the 4 assists and the last quarter has begun
34 Points
11 Boards
16 Missed Shots
Still counts?
He'd get a triple double all 82 games if it worked like that :P
Quote from: jvalles69 on December 12, 2016, 02:09:53 PM
It's all about the rings, if Lebron doesn't win more rings than MJ then no way he deserves the GOAT title. Twice as many years with less rings may be Lebrons blemish on his career. If he ties number of rings at least, then the argument can be had.
So Bill Russell is GOAT and Sam Jones is a close second?
Quote from: TomK on December 12, 2016, 02:34:25 PM
Quote from: fanTCfool on December 12, 2016, 02:19:19 PM
Quote from: fanTCfool on December 12, 2016, 01:55:58 PM
It looks like Westbrook's streak of Triple Doubles is about to come to an end, only the 4 assists and the last quarter has begun
34 Points
11 Boards
16 Missed Shots
Still counts?
He'd get a triple double all 82 games if it worked like that :P
Haha I know, add in turnovers and a quadruple double may not be a rare occurrence ;)
Quote from: LaHug on December 12, 2016, 02:35:23 PM
Quote from: jvalles69 on December 12, 2016, 02:09:53 PM
It's all about the rings, if Lebron doesn't win more rings than MJ then no way he deserves the GOAT title. Twice as many years with less rings may be Lebrons blemish on his career. If he ties number of rings at least, then the argument can be had.
So Bill Russell is GOAT and Sam Jones is a close second?
Nope, I meant its about the rings between MJ and Lebron, everyone doesn't get to be in the same grouping. Love Bill Russell though!
Noel isn't going to be in Philly much longer. It will be interesting to see how Brown reacts to Nerlens post game comments.
Quote from: Mat0369 on December 18, 2016, 03:04:30 AM
Noel isn't going to be in Philly much longer. It will be interesting to see how Brown reacts to Nerlens post game comments.
Trade him to Boston. Simple :D
The way it's heading a couple of 2nds will get it done
We need the Grand Wizard Sam Hinkie to come back and fix this. And by fix it, I mean score us a couple of lottery picks for him
Does Noel have any trade value at all? Probably still too raw for anyone contending this year and everyone not contending can just over him a big contract in the offseason (which Philly surely don't match).
He has value, but the more he runs his mouth the more it will plummet. The fact he has a unique skill set teams will bite. Especially if they can lock him up before he hits the market.
Quote from: LaHug on December 18, 2016, 06:43:43 PM
Does Noel have any trade value at all? Probably still too raw for anyone contending this year and everyone not contending can just over him a big contract in the offseason (which Philly surely don't match).
Noel should go to Portland
Lillard McCollum will score plenty of points and their big man are overpaid and dont do much. Stick Noel in there and his only job is to protect the rim, rebound then give it to those 2 guys. He cna play up tempo and I imagnie Noel would want to re-sign with those 2 talented players especially when he is now in charge of the front court.
can see him moving for Allen Crabbe plus extra
Crabbe is a SG which is a spot they need
Yeah, Noel at a team where he doesn't need to score like Capela at Houston would work well, guy is a defensive beast. Not often you get a big man like him who can rack up blocks and steals. Has fairly high oreb stats which gives his team extra possessions.
I'm hoping nobody trades for him and the Lakers go after him in the offseason. Have Mozgov mentor him but also have him with a bunch of young and offensively talented players. I agree that Portland would be a great place for him but I'd rather him join my Lakers :P
I think he could fit nicely next to AD, would be a very good twin towers in the paint.
Quote from: jvalles69 on December 19, 2016, 04:00:13 PM
I think he could fit nicely next to AD, would be a very good twin towers in the paint.
please pelicans get somebody to help AD. I feel so sorry for him his talent is getting completely wasted.
knowing the pelicans they will probably give Lance Stephenson a max contract instead.
Quote from: Holz on December 19, 2016, 04:06:37 PM
Quote from: jvalles69 on December 19, 2016, 04:00:13 PM
I think he could fit nicely next to AD, would be a very good twin towers in the paint.
please pelicans get somebody to help AD. I feel so sorry for him his talent is getting completely wasted.
knowing the pelicans they will probably give Lance Stephenson a max contract instead.
Imagine what the guy could do with some solid non-injury risk players...and someone who can coach. For flowers sake, play AD next to T Jones, guarantee they will do better than pairing him with Ajinca and Asik.
Quote from: jvalles69 on December 19, 2016, 04:15:39 PM
Quote from: Holz on December 19, 2016, 04:06:37 PM
Quote from: jvalles69 on December 19, 2016, 04:00:13 PM
I think he could fit nicely next to AD, would be a very good twin towers in the paint.
please pelicans get somebody to help AD. I feel so sorry for him his talent is getting completely wasted.
knowing the pelicans they will probably give Lance Stephenson a max contract instead.
Imagine what the guy could do with some solid non-injury risk players...and someone who can coach. For flowers sake, play AD next to T Jones, guarantee they will do better than pairing him with Ajinca and Asik.
It's sad as an NBA fan to have such an elite talent on a garbage team, but I'd feel more sorry for him if he didn't sign a 5-year $130 million extension :P
Brown said before the game that Noel is out of the rotation for the foreseeable future. Jah, JoJo, Ersan and Dario got all the minutes through the 4 and 5. JoJo exploded in the 3rd of that game.
I rekn OKC should be looking at him, although the guy they should offer is Kanter which Philly wont be interested in, a 3rd player and team could make it happen though, like a Phoenix who have a surplus of Guards...
Noel>OKC (Kanter has no D but scores, Noel can run the floor with Russ an get lobs and close shots at the rim, OKC gets D)
Kanter>Phoenix (Suns have dour C's, Chandler and Len arent big scorers but defend well, Kanter would compliment them)
Knight>Philly (Knight is a hybrid guard, Simmons will run that team when fit, a catch an shoot PG is a win, just turned 25)
Raptors are the other possibly destination. Their first which is a late pick or something like Terrance Ross probably gets it done as well. BC probably pushes for both or a combination of players.
Quote from: Mat0369 on December 20, 2016, 12:04:35 PM
Raptors are the other possibly destination. Their first which is a late pick or something like Terrance Ross probably gets it done as well. BC probably pushes for both or a combination of players.
The way Ross has played this season I don't think they'd even consider giving him up for Nerlens. Dude is shooting the lights out
It's not just the shooting, those windmill dunks should be worth 3pts
Quote from: Jay on December 20, 2016, 01:45:55 PM
Quote from: Mat0369 on December 20, 2016, 12:04:35 PM
Raptors are the other possibly destination. Their first which is a late pick or something like Terrance Ross probably gets it done as well. BC probably pushes for both or a combination of players.
The way Ross has played this season I don't think they'd even consider giving him up for Nerlens. Dude is shooting the lights out
They already have Noguiera, same same really, the stretch 4 works well for them too so they wouldnt start Noel
Quote from: RiOtChEsS on December 20, 2016, 11:18:14 AM
I rekn OKC should be looking at him, although the guy they should offer is Kanter which Philly wont be interested in, a 3rd player and team could make it happen though, like a Phoenix who have a surplus of Guards...
Noel>OKC (Kanter has no D but scores, Noel can run the floor with Russ an get lobs and close shots at the rim, OKC gets D)
Kanter>Phoenix (Suns have dour C's, Chandler and Len arent big scorers but defend well, Kanter would compliment them)
Knight>Philly (Knight is a hybrid guard, Simmons will run that team when fit, a catch an shoot PG is a win, just turned 25)
yeh, Phoenix with Knight is sort of like (but not as bad as) what they had with Makeiff Morris last year ... a de-valued asset ... :( :P ;)
I would actually even take Noel in a straight swap - not sure if you could run Noel/Len twin towers style though ... but it would alleviate the Knight situation ... but not sure that Knight has enough value for that at this stage ... :-X ;)
Quote from: j959 on December 20, 2016, 02:32:28 PM
Quote from: RiOtChEsS on December 20, 2016, 11:18:14 AM
I rekn OKC should be looking at him, although the guy they should offer is Kanter which Philly wont be interested in, a 3rd player and team could make it happen though, like a Phoenix who have a surplus of Guards...
Noel>OKC (Kanter has no D but scores, Noel can run the floor with Russ an get lobs and close shots at the rim, OKC gets D)
Kanter>Phoenix (Suns have dour C's, Chandler and Len arent big scorers but defend well, Kanter would compliment them)
Knight>Philly (Knight is a hybrid guard, Simmons will run that team when fit, a catch an shoot PG is a win, just turned 25)
yeh, Phoenix with Knight is sort of like (but not as bad as) what they had with Makeiff Morris last year ... a de-valued asset ... :( :P ;)
I would actually even take Noel in a straight swap - not sure if you could run Noel/Len twin towers style though ... but it would alleviate the Knight situation ... but not sure that Knight has enough value for that at this stage ... :-X ;)
Knight just needs more run, when he was starting he was good, still young too
Personally i wouldnt want to have 2 non scorers starting in the front court, Len has scoring potential though so :-\
I like staunch 5 and scoring 4 setup a lot though, imagine if the Cavs had Gobert to go with Love :o
I would offer Gay/Collison for Bledsoe/Tucker
Kings get a starting PG in Bledsoe (who played with DMC at Kentucky) and take Tucker off their hands
Suns get a starting SF and backup PG
Win / Win IMO
(then Kings just need to get Wall off Washington :P)
I don't really understand any of these trades being listed here...
OKC don't want or need Noel, they already have Adams as a defensive C on a big contract.
Raptors won't break up this team for an injury-prone big when they currently have the best offensive rating in NBA history and are serious contenders already.
Phoenix wouldn't want Gay because he's already 30 and they're so far away from win-now.
Quote from: LaHug on December 20, 2016, 05:03:56 PM
Phoenix wouldn't want Gay because he's already 30 and they're so far away from win-now.
Then why keep Bledsoe as he is 29
Quote from: valkorum on December 20, 2016, 06:20:43 PM
Quote from: LaHug on December 20, 2016, 05:03:56 PM
Phoenix wouldn't want Gay because he's already 30 and they're so far away from win-now.
Then why keep Bledsoe as he is 29
That's no reason to trade for Gay though
I've had in mind a Rozier/Noel swap with maybe a pick to get it done.
Hasn't Rozier been really bad this year? When I watched us play the Celtics they said he is statistically the worst shot in the league.
Quote from: Mat0369 on December 20, 2016, 07:07:30 PM
Hasn't Rozier been really bad this year? When I watched us play the Celtics they said he is statistically the worst shot in the league.
Rozier or Smart? Smarts %'s are pretty darn low!
Quote from: LaHug on December 20, 2016, 05:03:56 PM
I don't really understand any of these trades being listed here...
OKC don't want or need Noel, they already have Adams as a defensive C on a big contract.
Raptors won't break up this team for an injury-prone big when they currently have the best offensive rating in NBA history and are serious contenders already.
Phoenix wouldn't want Gay because he's already 30 and they're so far away from win-now.
The reason I brought up the Raptors is that a swap involving Noel for Ross and a pick was mentioned in the pre-season. The Raptors were one of the teams mentioned with the Celtics, Wolves and a couple of others as a potential landing spot, especially since they lost Biyombo and need a rim protector come playoffs. They currently hold both their own and the Clippers first round pick, if they can give up a late first and a depth player to get a rim protector it makes sense for them.
The other trades I agree with you, I don't see them happening. Maybe Knight which was another guy spoken about in the pre-season, he wasn't wanted under the Hinkie regime (MCW trade) but BC might have interest in him. At the end of the day it looks like Philly are going to get cents on the dollar in this deal, I think a projected late first would get it done or an early second and a project player.
Quote from: jvalles69 on December 20, 2016, 07:10:14 PM
Rozier or Smart? Smarts %'s are pretty darn low!
It was 100% Rozier, they were talking about his shooting percentage saying it is the worst in the league up to that point. He couldn't hit the broad side of a barn from behind the arc and the 6'ers need shooters to pair with Simmons and the bigs.
Smart was another name thrown around along with Avery Bradley as part of a potential deal. No way the part with Bradley now.
Report: Trade partners turned off by Noel's work habits
http://www.thescore.com/nba/news/1185206
Haha Adams isnt a defnsive C, he just isnt very good ;)
Quote from: plumdog millionaire on December 20, 2016, 10:24:51 PM
Report: Trade partners turned off by Noel's work habits
http://www.thescore.com/nba/news/1185206
I was going to say that was reported a few days ago when Nerlens through his hissy fit, then I saw the date on the article :P
Here is a more recent article on the situation
Colangelo lives...says they are interested in keeping Ersan. That is a little different. At time of trade he said something like they'd consider keeping him...
Essentially, Colangelo and the 7-20 Sixers would like for Noel to work his way back into coach Brett Brown's rotation/good graces to show he's "healthy and he's professional and he's got a good attitude toward everything that's going on. That may ultimately lead to something (a trade)."
Colangelo is willing to take a higher salary back if the player would fit into the team's future.
"He does a lot of things at an elite level defensively when healthy and engaged," Colangelo said. "We're trying to determine if (Noel) is a fit for this roster."
Noel is a fourth-year man who went No. 6 overall in the 2013 NBA Draft and might have gone No. 1 if he hadn't torn his left ACL at Kentucky.
But Colangelo insisted he's not going to clear up the logjam of centers by making a deal unless he gets fair value in return and is willing to go the entire season with Joel Embiid, Jahlil Okafor, Noel and second-year pro Richaun Holmes on the roster.
Noel saying in late September that he wouldn't mind being traded and there were too many big men "was ill-advised, not only for his own value but probably for our ability to have him involved in a deal," according to Colangelo.
"That's never worked, in my estimation, for a player to voice that kind of concern," Colangelo said. "Then people start looking at and questioning other things."
Colangelo said Noel being away from the Sixers in the offseason and again while rehabbing after his Oct. 25 elective left knee surgery weren't ideal from the organization's standpoint.
Colangelo pointed that Noel will become a restricted free agent next summer and isn't getting a chance to put up numbers worthy of a high salary could add to his frustration level.
Among other things, Colangelo said:
• there is no reason to rush injured top selection Ben Simmons back from a fractured foot and "it's an unknown" when he'll play;
• "a combo guard is probably a really good fit alongside Ben Simmons," who lamented the season-ending left wrist surgery to combination guard Jerryd Bayless;
• he'd like to see veteran power forward Ersan Ilyasova, who becomes an unrestricted free agent July 1, remain with the Sixers beyond this season;
• "the organization will be getting better (and) our talent level will be increasing" via the draft, when the Sixers could have two top-5 picks, and free agency;
• Embiid is "a runaway favorite to be named Rookie of the Year right now."
http://www.buckscountycouriertimes.com/sports/sixers/bryan-colangelo-sixers-want-to-see-if-nerlens-noel-fits/article_9e8a1b69-7619-5b71-8885-d6ad5c6d7e5f.html
"There are a couple of teams to watch on the Noel front, the biggest being the Toronto Raptors. It is unlikely that the Raptors mess with their team chemistry in moving a core player, but if the 76ers want some of the Raptors’ young players or non-core parts, Toronto would have interest in Noel, according to sources close to the situation. It’s also believed the Portland Trail Blazers have eyes on Noel, but they may be unwilling to give up much in a deal."
That's the problem, Noel is gonna want good money and he cant get it without putting up numbers this year, if you are trading for him you have to play this guy a lot and look to pay him a lot the following season and unless you are the highest bidder you probably wont keep him, too risky for most teams imo, Brooklyn might because they are facked anyway an love dumb moves
Hallelujah!!! Gentry played AD next to TJones and guess what...they both dominated, yes it was against Philly, but damn that is much better combo than Asik or Ajinca. Plus I have AD and TJones in my ESPN Fantasy team! ;D
Quote from: jvalles69 on December 21, 2016, 02:32:49 PM
Hallelujah!!! Gentry played AD next to TJones and guess what...they both dominated, yes it was against Philly, but damn that is much better combo than Asik or Ajinca. Plus I have AD and TJones in my ESPN Fantasy team! ;D
man i havent had a payday in weeks :'(
Sounds like a job for the trade machine!
1. Boston give: Marcus Smart
Philadelphia give: Nerlens Noel
Straight swap, both were 6th picks in the draft. Nerlens has probably shown a bit more so far in his career, Marcus has shown a lot on defense - he's already one of the best defensive PGs in the league, but his offense hasn't improved like I'd want it to. The appealing thing about him for Philly though is his fit next to Ben Simmons. You can have Simmons as the primary ball handler, and then Smart next to him as the secondary. But most importantly, if you've got Smart, he can guard whoever the best PG or SG is on the other team, heck he's even been guarding SFs at time this year. Boston get a high upside big man, who has the potential to be a force on the interior - he'd be an instant upgrade over Amir.
2. Boston give: Terry Rozier + Gerald Green
Philadelphia give: Nerlens Noel
Rozier is a better shooter than Smart (although that's not saying much), but is worse defensively. Green is a good shooter too.
3. Portland give: Noah Vonleh + Shabazz Napier + more favourable of of Lakers/T-Wolves 2019 second round pick
Philadelphia give: Nerlens Noel
4. Portland give: Festus Ezeli + 2018 Cleveland first round pick
Philadelphis give: Nerlens Noel
Festus is just salary to make the trade work, its basically just the pick for Nerlens. Maybe that's slightly unders considering its over a year away and Cleveland will still likely be very good then.
5. New Orleans give: E'twaunn Moore + 2017 76ers second round pick + 2018 Pelicans second round pick
Philadelphia give: Nerlens Noel
This is probably unders because I'm not sure if Moore is an asset on his $8 million for 4 years contract, but he's a handy offensive player and the two picks will probably both be top 40.
6. OKC give: Cameron Payne + Anthony Morrow
Philadelphia give: Nerlens Noel
I'm not sure the Thunder would do this as Payne is pretty much their only good young guard prospect. But this trade would definitely intrigue me if I were Philly.
7. Raptors give: Pascal Siakam + 2017 Clippers first round pick
Philadelphia give: Nerlens Noel
I reckon this is probably the most likely trade. Siakam has been starting at PF for Toronto so he's not that bad, and then roughly pick 25. This is good value for Nerlens but I reckon Toronto might just be willing to do it.
Malcolm Brogdon has dunked on the defence of Kyrie and LeBron :o
I have a three leg multi on Knicks, Spurs, and Cavs. All three incredibly close. So much stress (and only a small bet too).
Isaiah has been amazing today. Another day, another close game for the Grizzlies!
If im Philly i dont take any of those trades, just because you have a "bad situation" with a player who has a ton of upside does not mean you take a player with less upside, or a player that does not suit your personnel, if teams dont want to pay "reasonable value" ya simply dont sell.
Terrence Ross is the most "reasonable offer" ive seen on here yet, if im Toronto i wouldnt make that deal though, they may as well play Jonas and Lucas together and get the same result while keeping Ross
Celts are rolling 8)
Just to bring up the original convo about Darren Collison having a "breakout" year. He is having the opposite of a "breakout" and Ty Lawson is taking away his minutes, does not belong anywhere as a starter. 12.5 pts and 4.3 ass. I rest my case. :P
This Boston vs OKC game has been the worst refereed game I've seen all season. Isaiah is going nuts in the fourth quarter as usual though.
This is horseshower!
Hack-A-Roberson time.. Didn't realise he was so bad on free throws, 30% :o
Yeah he sucks. When Phily played them earlier in the season he struggled from the stripe.
6'ers went to sleep after half time and lost to the Suns.
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KYRIEEEEE
Quote from: TomK on December 26, 2016, 01:23:33 PM
Quote from: Jay on December 26, 2016, 11:23:53 AM
Quote from: TomK on December 26, 2016, 10:08:40 AM
KYRIEEEEE
That was an insane game!
It was definitely worth waking up at 6am for
He was ruthless down the stretch
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Its simple
Lebron by and far the best player in the first 46 minutes
Kyrie the best player in the last 2
its great as Lebron isnt a shooter so its silly for him to take the last shot. However he did hit some clutch 3s late.
Go Cavs Go
Richard Jefferson played better than LeBron in the 4th :D #jussayin #posterizedklay
Quote from: RiOtChEsS on December 27, 2016, 12:12:21 PM
Richard Jefferson played better than LeBron in the 4th :D #jussayin #posterizedklay
lets be honest Kevin Durrant was cavs MVP in the 4th
Quote from: Holz on December 27, 2016, 12:17:47 PM
Quote from: RiOtChEsS on December 27, 2016, 12:12:21 PM
Richard Jefferson played better than LeBron in the 4th :D #jussayin #posterizedklay
lets be honest Kevin Durrant was cavs MVP in the 4th
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im not going to go against you Riot
im the biggest uncle drew fan on this site.
loving what im seeing
Quote from: RiOtChEsS on December 27, 2016, 12:12:21 PM
Richard Jefferson played better than LeBron in the 4th :D #jussayin #posterizedklay
I thought he was finished years ago, but he's legitimately a really good role player still. Very impressive
Quote from: Jay on December 27, 2016, 01:33:28 PM
Quote from: RiOtChEsS on December 27, 2016, 12:12:21 PM
Richard Jefferson played better than LeBron in the 4th :D #jussayin #posterizedklay
I thought he was finished years ago, but he's legitimately a really good role player still. Very impressive
is it the shoes ;D
Isaiah with 52 points including 29 in the 4th quarter :o
Been playing out of his mind lately and it's so fun to watch.
Am I enjoying Phoenix's tank job??
'Yes, yes I am' ... :P :D
no, no i'm not actually ... ;)
6'ers almost pulled the ultimate choke job vs the Wolves. After being up 26 in the 3rd, they coughed up the lead and Ricky Rubio of all people hit a 3 to tie it with just over 1 second. Covington who had been shooting like crap ends up scoring a shot in mid air at the rim to put them up 2 with 0.2 to play.
Quote from: Mat0369 on January 04, 2017, 09:26:52 PM
6'ers almost pulled the ultimate choke job vs the Wolves. After being up 26 in the 3rd, they coughed up the lead and Ricky Rubio of all people hit a 3 to tie it with just over 1 second. Covington who had been shooting like crap ends up scoring a shot in mid air at the rim to put them up 2 with 0.2 to play.
6ers winning was the first leg of my multi and I was a bit worried. Then I lost the other legs anyway ::) ::)
Cavs just aquired Korver.
Quote from: Mat0369 on January 06, 2017, 02:40:18 PM
Cavs just aquired Korver.
The looks he's going to get in that offense will be ridiculous.
I'm all for this. Make the Cavs as strong as possible to take on the Warriors with KD.
Korver is a huge shooting upgrade to their SF stocks
He is one of the most pure outside shooters in the league, with the driving ability of Bron/Kyrie and space he is going to get that move could win the Cavs a championship if they all stay healthy.
Hawks are also looking to deal Millsap. Raptors, Pelicans, Kings and Denver. 6'ers were originally mentioned in the article and there was an edit within a couple minutes to change it to NO. If the 6'ers were to get involved as a 3rd team it makes sense. They wanted Noel heading into the season and they could land him as part of a trade.
Embiid also might miss the Celtics game with a stomach bug. He was questionable to travel but has left with the team.It's been going around the team with both Sergio and Jah missing games. Henderson and Rodriguez are probably to play after missing a few games each with a hip and ankle.
Pelicans have started playing AD at the 5 more now so makes sense
With teams looking to play a stretch 4 it makes sense to play AD at 5. He will dominate most centers in the league and they are better off trying to space the floor. They tried something similar with Ryan Anderson and it worked for a period of time but Anderson isn't that good. Millsap isn't really a 3pt threat but he spaces the floor better then Asik.
They could probably use someone like Ersan Ilyasova who has been excellent for the 6'ers in exactly that role.
Quote from: Jay on January 06, 2017, 02:45:42 PM
Quote from: Mat0369 on January 06, 2017, 02:40:18 PM
Cavs just aquired Korver.
The looks he's going to get in that offense will be ridiculous.
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Quote from: Mat0369 on January 06, 2017, 04:07:41 PM
With teams looking to play a stretch 4 it makes sense to play AD at 5. He will dominate most centers in the league and they are better off trying to space the floor. They tried something similar with Ryan Anderson and it worked for a period of time but Anderson isn't that good. Millsap isn't really a 3pt threat but he spaces the floor better then Asik.
They could probably use someone like Ersan Ilyasova who has been excellent for the 6'ers in exactly that role.
he is good for 80 odd a year, can definitely shoot it, good all round player really
would love to see either the Raps or the C's go get Millsap #shakeuptheeast
Man this Philly vs Celts game is really fun, apart from the refs ;)
Embiid is dominating. But Al just hit a three to put us up 1. DEFENSE.
flower that was close.
Porzingis vs Giannis is delightful.
Quote from: Jay on January 07, 2017, 03:04:46 PM
flower that was close.
76's have played you close in both games now yeah?
Quote from: Jay on January 07, 2017, 03:12:44 PM
Porzingis vs Giannis is delightful.
enjoyed this game a lot, man the Bucks could be so much better, so often made the wrong choices in shot selection
Quote from: RiOtChEsS on January 07, 2017, 03:52:06 PM
76's have played you close in both games now yeah?
Yup, first game there was no Embiid as well.
Celtics kept hitting everything from 3 point range which kept them in it. 6'ers were dominating for large portions of the game but Boston found ways to just keep sinking 3's. The officiating both ways was pretty horrid, they were calling small stuff which they probably should have let go and it got the big guys into foul trouble early. The worst was probably the shooting foul on Embiid where he didn't make any contact with Olynyk. It's funny because Ilyasova was looking for one of those cheap fouls at the end on Crowder and the whistles were silent. It was a horrible shot selection considering they still had so much time and needed a 2 to hit the lead.
The Warriors have blown some sort of 20+ lead there
Quote from: Mat0369 on January 07, 2017, 05:48:32 PM
Quote from: RiOtChEsS on January 07, 2017, 03:52:06 PM
76's have played you close in both games now yeah?
Yup, first game there was no Embiid as well.
Celtics kept hitting everything from 3 point range which kept them in it. 6'ers were dominating for large portions of the game but Boston found ways to just keep sinking 3's. The officiating both ways was pretty horrid, they were calling small stuff which they probably should have let go and it got the big guys into foul trouble early. The worst was probably the shooting foul on Embiid where he didn't make any contact with Olynyk. It's funny because Ilyasova was looking for one of those cheap fouls at the end on Crowder and the whistles were silent. It was a horrible shot selection considering they still had so much time and needed a 2 to hit the lead.
It's a good confidence builder for Philly hanging with a top squad regularly
Quote from: RiOtChEsS on January 08, 2017, 09:18:46 AM
It's a good confidence builder for Philly hanging with a top squad regularly
They need to start snatching a couple of these. They have lost to the following teams after leading down the stretch
OKC week 1 by 5.
Magic by 2.
Cavs by 1.
Pacers by 7 in OT (no Embiid)
Grizz by 5 in double OT (Embiid couldn't play second OT due to minutes restriction)
Cavs by 4
Celtics by 1
Nuggets by 8 after dominating the first half
Grizz by 5 in Memphis with no Embiid
Suns by 7 after leading by over double digits for most of the game
Kings by 2
Last Celtics game by 4.
Quote from: Mat0369 on January 08, 2017, 04:10:48 PM
Quote from: RiOtChEsS on January 08, 2017, 09:18:46 AM
It's a good confidence builder for Philly hanging with a top squad regularly
They need to start snatching a couple of these.
I very much think they want to lose all of these for draft reasons.
The tank is supposed to be over considering the assets they have and now is the time to develop these guys. A couple of these close losses would be better down the track if the result was flipped. They have had one game where they actually drew up a play that worked but they have had countless situations where they have failed. Having Embiid hit a shot to win a couple of these would be better for his development down then the constant failure. It might change when Simmons hits the court with his passing.
They probably don't have enough talent on the court consistently at the moment to push them out of top 6 anyway. They will also get the Lakers pick (top 3 protected) to go with a Kings pick swap this year and the Kings pick next year. It should still see them have a favourable draft position even if they start winning.
Quote from: Mat0369 on January 09, 2017, 01:58:31 AM
The tank is supposed to be over considering the assets they have and now is the time to develop these guys. A couple of these close losses would be better down the track if the result was flipped. They have had one game where they actually drew up a play that worked but they have had countless situations where they have failed. Having Embiid hit a shot to win a couple of these would be better for his development down then the constant failure. It might change when Simmons hits the court with his passing.
They probably don't have enough talent on the court consistently at the moment to push them out of top 6 anyway. They will also get the Lakers pick (top 3 protected) to go with a Kings pick swap this year and the Kings pick next year. It should still see them have a favourable draft position even if they start winning.
For sure, they have enough talent and draft picks that they don't need to tank this year. However, with early results going the way they have, they might as well make sure they get that top 5 pick. If they win too many and overtake the Lakers, it's decreases the odds of them securing that pick too.
As a Lakers fan though... go Philly! (And go Brooklyn, Minny, Dallas, and everyone else!)
Speaking of Philly, thanks for winning today :)
Im enjoying Philly's season
If anyone is intrested in writing NBA related articles ( 1 or 2 a week is fine)
send me a pm :)
TJ F'ing McConnell! That was the kind of win I was talking about. Just watching their reactions at the end of the game says it all. The schedule is going to get insanely tough down the stretch but it gives the guys a huge boost in confidence and morale. JoJo is even talking playoffs :P
I wish I could embed tweets on here
First one
https://twitter.com/ChristianCrosby/status/819386763026296833
Second one
https://twitter.com/JoelEmbiid/status/819386492925710337/photo/1
Don't forget Joel Embiid #NBAVote
I know who im going to follow when Lebron retires.
Quote from: Holz on January 13, 2017, 10:17:21 AM
I know who im going to follow when Lebron retires.
Brandon Ingram?
Quote from: LaHug on January 13, 2017, 11:00:56 AM
Quote from: Holz on January 13, 2017, 10:17:21 AM
I know who im going to follow when Lebron retires.
Brandon Ingram?
if he joins Joel Embiid then maybe. Not really a fan of him at all
King in the Fourth!
It's all about The Process and how you play it
http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2017/1/12/14260048/hassan-whiteside-joel-embiid-all-star-gimmick-shot
So that's Mia Khilifa and Hassan Whiteside that Embiid has had a comeback for in the last 5 days.
https://youtu.be/xXBEaoPk4Z4
Melo "allegedly" says he will agree to a trade to Cleveland and Clippers "only"
Both squads are starved of assets they would actually part with...
Quote from: RiOtChEsS on January 16, 2017, 11:58:02 PM
Melo "allegedly" says he will agree to a trade to Cleveland and Clippers "only"
Both squads are starved of assets they would actually part with...
Yeah that ain't happening.
Quote from: Jay on January 17, 2017, 09:29:06 AM
Quote from: RiOtChEsS on January 16, 2017, 11:58:02 PM
Melo "allegedly" says he will agree to a trade to Cleveland and Clippers "only"
Both squads are starved of assets they would actually part with...
Yeah that ain't happening.
Clippers could trade Rivers and Crawford... If the Knicks want to shed Melo's salary, I think (correct me if I'm wrong) that Crawford's on his final year of the deal. Let him expire, keep Rivers who is actually looking good (averaging over 20ppg when he starts) and it
might be an ok trade (with some draft picks chucked in too). But yeah, not gonna happen.
LeBron with the massive flop lmao
Warriors are making a statement
How come D Rose got fined for not showing up but the Cavs didn't? :P
I just watched the 6'ers game from yesterday. JoJo was shooting terribly but he played amazingly on the other end. His excellent D lead to some easy buckets on the other end. He was able to work his way to the line consistently fouling out Antetokounmpo.
Saric is another guy that just keeps working his a** off. He takes a few ill advised shots but his hustle and effort is always there.
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I havent really gotten into Basketball until last year so i didnt have a team
and after Phillys last year i took an interest in them, even more when they got Simmons
i watch there first game against Oklahoma and they just lost but played well
ive been following them closey and i have been enjoying them even though they have lost alot more then they have won, and simmons will make them even better!
But i think Philly is my team :)
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Joel Embiid is averaging 38.5 points per 100 possessions, the most by a rookie since 1973-74, the first year that we can measure possessions
3 points more then Jordan :o
Simmons also posted a pic on instagram of him standing around on the court shortly after it was announced that Bulls/Heat has been bumped as the national game for 6'ers/Rockets. Rumor is that Simmons will debut in that game next week. That will be quite surprising if it is the case but it means we get a look at JoJo and Simmons together on an NBA court. That's going to be insanely fun to watch.
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So does he win DPOTY on a minutes restriction?
Quote from: Hawka on January 19, 2017, 12:18:04 AM
I havent really gotten into Basketball until last year so i didnt have a team
and after Phillys last year i took an interest in them, even more when they got Simmons
i watch there first game against Oklahoma and they just lost but played well
ive been following them closey and i have been enjoying them even though they have lost alot more then they have won, and simmons will make them even better!
But i think Philly is my team :)
#bandwagon
just teasing Hawka, if you're just tuning in you won't know the recent history of 'the process' ... (Philly have been off-loading vet contracts and stashing draft picks the last 4-5 yrs (?? that about right peeps?) and tanking while hoping to draft a bunch of superstars (bit like a cr*pshoot though) ...
anyway, better to be a 6ers fan than a long suffering suns one ... :P :-X :'( ;)
ok, someone please help keep up my Phoenix interest pls ...
so ... Brandon Knight for Jahil Okafor before the trade deadline eh?? ;)
To the Kings: PLAY THE FLOWERING KIDS
We aren't gonna finish 8th
Rudy Gay just tore his Achilles (guess he won't be opting out now)
Clear some of the old guys: Tolliver, Barnes & Afflalo and start giving those minutes to Malachi Richardson & Willy Cauley-Stein
All-star starting fives are in. Curry over Westbrook, blurgh!
East
Irving
Derozen
Lebron
Butler
Giannis
West
Curry
Harden
Leonard
Durant
AD
East gone get smashed!
Irving over Lowry and Thomas is a bit irksome. Curry over Westbrook too. Was hoping that Embiid would get through over Butler but player voting hurt the rook. Still, nobody that made the starters doesn't deserve to play in the All-Star game so, for once, starter selections won't cause a snub from the game itself.
Wowww John Wall
Quote from: j959 on January 19, 2017, 07:04:15 PM
Quote from: Hawka on January 19, 2017, 12:18:04 AM
I havent really gotten into Basketball until last year so i didnt have a team
and after Phillys last year i took an interest in them, even more when they got Simmons
i watch there first game against Oklahoma and they just lost but played well
ive been following them closey and i have been enjoying them even though they have lost alot more then they have won, and simmons will make them even better!
But i think Philly is my team :)
#bandwagon
just teasing Hawka, if you're just tuning in you won't know the recent history of 'the process' ... (Philly have been off-loading vet contracts and stashing draft picks the last 4-5 yrs (?? that about right peeps?) and tanking while hoping to draft a bunch of superstars (bit like a cr*pshoot though) ...
anyway, better to be a 6ers fan than a long suffering suns one ... :P :-X :'( ;)
ok, someone please help keep up my Phoenix interest pls ...
so ... Brandon Knight for Jahil Okafor before the trade deadline eh?? ;)
i knew they were getting rid of alot of older players recently :P
im not tryning to bandwagon haha i just like them
Yeah Westbrook should have been an All-Star starter but he missed out because the back-to-back MVP on the best team in basketball got in, which isn't as crazy as everyone is making it out to be. And then Harden > Westbrook is a toss of a coin, but I have no issues with Harden being chosen ahead, his team has played much better than Westbrook's with similar talent around him. The real snub was Lowry, how he wasn't the #1 guard in the east makes absolutely no sense.
Lowry: 23.9 PER, 2nd in Real Plus-Minus, 7.4 Win Shares, 124 offensive rating, 64 TS%
DeRozan: 25.2 PER, 114th in RPM, 5.5 Win Shares, 114 ortg, 55.7 TS%
Irving: 21.3 PER, 75th in RPM, 4.1 Win Shares, 114 ortg, 56.8 TS%
How you can watch the Raptors and think that DeRozan is their best player is just crazy. When Lowry is off the court they have a -3.6 net rating, that's right about where the Kings rank this season. With DeRozan off the court, they are +14.4 which is better than the Warriors.
I love Isaiah, he is 1st in isolation scoring, 9th as the ball handler in PnR and 3rd in pull-up shooting - he's an unbelievable offensive player and should make the all-star team, but even I couldn't make an argument for him to be ahead of Lowry just because IT takes away so much from your team defense whereas Lowry is good on that end. Overall, I don't think it was an awful set of starters, it wasn't perfect but I don't think it ever will be :P
Quote from: Jay on January 22, 2017, 07:27:37 PM
Yeah Westbrook should have been an All-Star starter but he missed out because the back-to-back MVP on the best team in basketball got in, which isn't as crazy as everyone is making it out to be. And then Harden > Westbrook is a toss of a coin, but I have no issues with Harden being chosen ahead, his team has played much better than Westbrook's with similar talent around him. The real snub was Lowry, how he wasn't the #1 guard in the east makes absolutely no sense.
Lowry: 23.9 PER, 2nd in Real Plus-Minus, 7.4 Win Shares, 124 offensive rating, 64 TS%
DeRozan: 25.2 PER, 114th in RPM, 5.5 Win Shares, 114 ortg, 55.7 TS%
Irving: 21.3 PER, 75th in RPM, 4.1 Win Shares, 114 ortg, 56.8 TS%
How you can watch the Raptors and think that DeRozan is their best player is just crazy. When Lowry is off the court they have a -3.6 net rating, that's right about where the Kings rank this season. With DeRozan off the court, they are +14.4 which is better than the Warriors.
I love Isaiah, he is 1st in isolation scoring, 9th as the ball handler in PnR and 3rd in pull-up shooting - he's an unbelievable offensive player and should make the all-star team, but even I couldn't make an argument for him to be ahead of Lowry just because IT takes away so much from your team defense whereas Lowry is good on that end. Overall, I don't think it was an awful set of starters, it wasn't perfect but I don't think it ever will be :P
it's an all star team Jay, they don't play defence in the all-star game ... :P ;)
Quote from: Hawka on January 21, 2017, 12:46:43 AM
Quote from: j959 on January 19, 2017, 07:04:15 PM
Quote from: Hawka on January 19, 2017, 12:18:04 AM
I havent really gotten into Basketball until last year so i didnt have a team
and after Phillys last year i took an interest in them, even more when they got Simmons
i watch there first game against Oklahoma and they just lost but played well
ive been following them closey and i have been enjoying them even though they have lost alot more then they have won, and simmons will make them even better!
But i think Philly is my team :)
#bandwagon
just teasing Hawka, if you're just tuning in you won't know the recent history of 'the process' ... (Philly have been off-loading vet contracts and stashing draft picks the last 4-5 yrs (?? that about right peeps?) and tanking while hoping to draft a bunch of superstars (bit like a cr*pshoot though) ...
anyway, better to be a 6ers fan than a long suffering suns one ... :P :-X :'( ;)
ok, someone please help keep up my Phoenix interest pls ...
so ... Brandon Knight for Jahil Okafor before the trade deadline eh?? ;)
i knew they were getting rid of alot of older players recently :P
im not tryning to bandwagon haha i just like them
I know I was just teasing ... ;)
With Simmons coming back, why not support our 'Aussie'?? ;)
Suns update ... WE WON TWO IN A ROW!!! :o 8) ;)
#badtanking ;)
Embiid got snubbed!
I'd also like to thank the Kings for the pick swap. TTP
Quote from: Mat0369 on January 24, 2017, 10:48:37 PM
I'd also like to thank the Kings for the pick swap. TTP
I'ma let you finish, but Boston have one of the best pick swaps of all time!
Brooklyn are projected to win 8 fewer games than the 2nd worst team. ;D
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2017-nba-predictions/
But yeah I still can't believe how badly Philly fleeced the Kings in that trade. Hinkie should've been extended 10 years just for that.
Stauskas, the swap this year and another first to come when the Kings are even worse. Add in the Lakers pick which will probably convey as well. Hinkie is a god.
6'ers were looking like a potential 8 seed until the Embiid knee injury. Hopefully he doesn't miss the whole week.
https://youtu.be/ULnepzwiUy8 (https://youtu.be/ULnepzwiUy8)
;D
Really impressive win by the Celtics today. Second night of a back to back after a 3 game slide, the Rockets going for it with an 8 man rotation and only conceding 23 in the last quarter to one of the most high powered offensive teams in the league. Hope they can keep it up and push for the second seed if possible.
LeBron complaining about the Cavs personnel is getting pretty annoying. David Griffin has done a great job of filling out the roster picking up guys like JR, Mozgov, Shump, Frye for not much, finding Delly out of nowhere, trading for Korver etc.
Maybe if LeBron didn't gift spots on the roster to his buddies (Birdman, James Jones, Mo) then the GM would have an easier job :)
Quote from: Jay on January 26, 2017, 04:04:13 PM
LeBron complaining about the Cavs personnel is getting pretty annoying. David Griffin has done a great job of filling out the roster picking up guys like JR, Mozgov, Shump, Frye for not much, finding Delly out of nowhere, trading for Korver etc.
Maybe if LeBron didn't gift spots on the roster to his buddies (Birdman, James Jones, Mo) then the GM would have an easier job :)
He is right though they need a playmaker. With lebron on the bench who is the playmaker? Its not irving.
So it means he cant rest. He is gettung old he needs to rest to continue being the best in the world. He has comparible minutes to legends did in their whole career
He could do what duncan did with proper rest.
Okaro White with 10-7 and 4 blocks and closed the game for the Heat today. Where do they find these guys? And on a 10 day as well!
Quote from: Holz on January 26, 2017, 05:16:53 PM
Quote from: Jay on January 26, 2017, 04:04:13 PM
LeBron complaining about the Cavs personnel is getting pretty annoying. David Griffin has done a great job of filling out the roster picking up guys like JR, Mozgov, Shump, Frye for not much, finding Delly out of nowhere, trading for Korver etc.
Maybe if LeBron didn't gift spots on the roster to his buddies (Birdman, James Jones, Mo) then the GM would have an easier job :)
He is right though they need a playmaker. With lebron on the bench who is the playmaker? Its not irving.
So it means he cant rest. He is gettung old he needs to rest to continue being the best in the world. He has comparible minutes to legends did in their whole career
He could do what duncan did with proper rest.
I honestly think they're the one team that could actually make Rondo useful again.
Dion Waiters x2
Quote from: LaHug on January 27, 2017, 09:37:15 AM
Quote from: Holz on January 26, 2017, 05:16:53 PM
Quote from: Jay on January 26, 2017, 04:04:13 PM
LeBron complaining about the Cavs personnel is getting pretty annoying. David Griffin has done a great job of filling out the roster picking up guys like JR, Mozgov, Shump, Frye for not much, finding Delly out of nowhere, trading for Korver etc.
Maybe if LeBron didn't gift spots on the roster to his buddies (Birdman, James Jones, Mo) then the GM would have an easier job :)
He is right though they need a playmaker. With lebron on the bench who is the playmaker? Its not irving.
So it means he cant rest. He is gettung old he needs to rest to continue being the best in the world. He has comparible minutes to legends did in their whole career
He could do what duncan did with proper rest.
I honestly think they're the one team that could actually make Rondo useful again.
Rondo is who i would want to.
Issue is does he disrupt chemistry. If lebron cant fix him nobody can.
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Melo trade talks are heating up. Pretty funny that it's now that the Knicks realise they should trade him, in the off-season they seemed pretty convinced they could build a super team around him ::) the longer they delay building around Kristaps the worse they'll be. They've done enough damage already by signing Noah to that ridiculous contract.
As for teams who might be interested in Melo, the Cavs and Clipps would obviously have interest but I'm not too sure what they could offer presuming that their respective big threes (big 4 in the Clipps case) are rightly untouchable. Maybe the Cavs would trade Love if they were getting back Melo + more but I'm not really sure what that is.
As a Boston fan, I'd rather sell the farm for Boogie than trade any asset for Melo. We already have the best isolation/crunch time scorer in the league, we don't need Melo. We need someone who will pull down every defensive rebound and play with some force inside.
Oops Rondo... probably getting waived now
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Riggggggged!!!!!!
Playing less minutes isn't a positive thing. Milsapp has literally played double what Embiid has, so even if Embiid is ahead in the metric stats, he gives that up and more by just not being on the court as often. I know it's not his fault he isn't playing, but Millsap contributing what he does to a winning team gives him the edge.
Quote from: Jay on January 28, 2017, 01:03:41 AM
Playing less minutes isn't a positive thing. Milsapp has literally played double what Embiid has, so even if Embiid is ahead in the metric stats, he gives that up and more by just not being on the court as often. I know it's not his fault he isn't playing, but Millsap contributing what he does to a winning team gives him the edge.
Its a positive thing when you put up better numbers.
Look at it this way embiid puts up 20 points then gives another team mate 23 minutes to score.
Milsap puts up 18 points then gives his team mates 14 minutes to score.
Who is helping the team more?
Also embiid a beter defender and overall better player.
Plus its all star theses guys might only get 15 minutes. On numbers embiid puts up a solid 12 points.
Milsap puts up like 8.
Its not even close between these 2
Embiid just won the conference player of the week. Even if we look at wins we have this
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The Hawks are winning, but Milsap isn't doing it with a team that only won 10 games last season and looked like they would only win that many when JoJo isn't on the court. Embiid provides a 20 point swing when he is on the court. He is the best 5 in the east and is impacting games on both ends of the floor in less minutes.
It's amazing the difference he is making as a rookie and forgetting stats and just using the eye test he is destroying teams on his own. He should have been an All-Star, he deserved to be one and the fact he isn't is pretty disappointing that the coaches, players and media didn't recognise that.
Chris Paul didn't even make it (Should have over Klay/DeAndre) and he's played 350 more minutes than Embiid. Playing matters, and winning matters too, whether it is deserved or not.
That being said, if he played like this last season he would have made it as the East was a bit thinner, but he'll make it for many more years in the future. This is probably Millsap's last year of contending for All Star and he is deserving of it - He's the centrepiece of a team which has a good record and one of the best defences in the league.
Embiid has a slightly higher difference in net rating on/off wise, however Millsap has a 5.93 RPM compared to Embiid's 2.88. Some of that can be explained by the fact that Embiid's backups (Noel, Okafor, Holmes) are much better than Millsap's, which makes Millsap's look a little better than it should.
Another interesting stat: With Millsap on the court the Hawks shoot 37.6% from 3PT whereas off court they shoot 29.9%
Edit: 37.6% not 27.6%!
Quote from: plumdog millionaire on January 28, 2017, 10:58:23 AM
Another interesting stat: With Millsap on the court the Hawks shoot 27.6% from 3PT whereas off court they shoot 29.9%
So they are crap either way ;)
Quote from: R.Griffen on January 28, 2017, 11:20:10 AM
Quote from: plumdog millionaire on January 28, 2017, 10:58:23 AM
Another interesting stat: With Millsap on the court the Hawks shoot 27.6% from 3PT whereas off court they shoot 29.9%
So they are crap either way ;)
Flower, got em
Trust The Process. Watch the throwdown!
The officiating in this game is just terrible.
Tonight: Joel Embiid & Paul Millsap
Embiid:
32 PTS
7 REBS
4 AST
2 BLK
+/-0
Millsap:
4 PTS
4 REBS
1 AST
-23
Paul Millsap is #NotMyAllStar
Quote from: Mat0369 on January 28, 2017, 04:28:59 PM
Tonight: Joel Embiid & Paul Millsap
Embiid:
32 PTS
7 REBS
4 AST
2 BLK
+/-0
Millsap:
4 PTS
4 REBS
1 AST
-23
Paul Millsap is #NotMyAllStar
Is this legit?
The stats are legit. In 23 and a half minutes that's what Millsap put up against the Wizards. In 28 minutes JoJo put up those numbers, that includes 3 steals and shooting 55% from the floor. He also shot 4 of 6 from 3 point range. He started the 4th quarter with 8 points (including back to back 3's) in around a minute.
Harden is just wow , whenever he got the ball i knew he was gonna score and at least assist
but damn Philly is awesome to watch ;)
TJ Mconnell is a lad
Quote from: Mat0369 on January 28, 2017, 11:47:41 PM
The stats are legit. In 23 and a half minutes that's what Millsap put up against the Wizards. In 28 minutes JoJo put up those numbers, that includes 3 steals and shooting 55% from the floor. He also shot 4 of 6 from 3 point range. He started the 4th quarter with 8 points (including back to back 3's) in around a minute.
Nah didn't mean the stats just as a point
Quote from: plumdog millionaire on January 29, 2017, 12:41:35 AM
Nah didn't mean the stats just as a point
It was tweeted after the games today. They aren't exactly wrong, Embiid IS the best 5 in the East. The only guy you can probably make an argument for league wide that is better right now is Boogie.
Quote from: Mat0369 on January 29, 2017, 12:49:10 AM
Quote from: plumdog millionaire on January 29, 2017, 12:41:35 AM
Nah didn't mean the stats just as a point
It was tweeted after the games today. They aren't exactly wrong, Embiid IS the best 5 in the East. The only guy you can probably make an argument for league wide that is better right now is Boogie.
Yeah I'm the east he's playing the best of all traditional 5's rn - over Howard and Horford who are the only guys worth talking about
Warriors putting on a show
Great overtime win for the Celts in Milwaukee on the 2nd night of a back to back without Bradley and Horford :D
Quote from: Jay on January 29, 2017, 03:41:48 PM
Great overtime win for the Celts in Milwaukee on the 2nd night of a back to back without Bradley and Horford :D
3 straight and tied with the Raptors!
This Hawks Knicks game is craaaazzy. About to go to 4OT
Yogi Ferrell and Seth Curry playing the most minutes for Mavs and they beat Spurs in San Antonio. Amazing
Quote from: plumdog millionaire on January 30, 2017, 11:28:53 AM
This Hawks Knicks game is craaaazzy. About to go to 4OT
Millsap played 60 minutes! You can't say this guy isn't an all star.
Quote from: plumdog millionaire on January 30, 2017, 07:05:21 PM
Millsap played 60 minutes! You can't say this guy isn't an all star.
And yet he played double Embiid's minutes for a per 30 of 18.5 pts, 9.5 rbs, 3.5 asts, 0.5 blks and 0.5 stls against the crappy Knicks.
In 27 minutes against the Knicks Embiid had 21 pts, 14 rbs, 1 blk, 1 stl and 1 assist.
Quote from: Mat0369 on January 30, 2017, 09:19:39 PM
Quote from: plumdog millionaire on January 30, 2017, 07:05:21 PM
Millsap played 60 minutes! You can't say this guy isn't an all star.
And yet he played double Embiid's minutes for a per 30 of 18.5 pts, 9.5 rbs, 3.5 asts, 0.5 blks and 0.5 stls against the crappy Knicks.
In 27 minutes against the Knicks Embiid had 21 pts, 14 rbs, 1 blk, 1 stl and 1 assist.
You gotta play to make a contribution, not Joel's fault but that's how it is. Not saying he isn't deserving, but Millsap edges it out to me just. But as a Philly fan I can understand where you're coming from, completely fair!
Apparently Bron wants TJ McConnell and the 6'ers rejected it.
Quote from: plumdog millionaire on January 30, 2017, 09:27:33 PM
Quote from: Mat0369 on January 30, 2017, 09:19:39 PM
Quote from: plumdog millionaire on January 30, 2017, 07:05:21 PM
Millsap played 60 minutes! You can't say this guy isn't an all star.
And yet he played double Embiid's minutes for a per 30 of 18.5 pts, 9.5 rbs, 3.5 asts, 0.5 blks and 0.5 stls against the crappy Knicks.
In 27 minutes against the Knicks Embiid had 21 pts, 14 rbs, 1 blk, 1 stl and 1 assist.
You gotta play to make a contribution, not Joel's fault but that's how it is. Not saying he isn't deserving, but Millsap edges it out to me just. But as a Philly fan I can understand where you're coming from, completely fair!
This isn't aimed at anyone here, but I'm sick and tired of people like Skip, Chuck, Stephen A who claim to know basketball and all those facebook pages with indians, asians who have 0 minutes on the court and 2 seasons of watching 20 games having a go @ LeBron over the past month.
- LeBron isn't asking for James Harden. He is asking for a guy who can run the floor without him and Kyrie.
- Warriors added a 4th HOF player to their roster while the Cavs added Kay Felder. They have a spare roster space and two 5m contracts/exemptions they can use.
-Stop saying LeBron should take less money. When LeBron joined the Cavs, Gilbert said he will have unlimited resources and LeBron will get max. How it works is even if LeBron took the minimum, they are still over the cap since you can resign players for over the amount. Doesn't matter how much LeBron takes, they would still be in the same situation now.
- Stop saying LeBron gets whatever he wants and has all the help in the world. LeBron has never been on a historically elite team. He has never had the team that Bird, Magic, Kareem, Jordan, Russell or any other Mount Rushmore type of player has had.
- Those LeBron Haters/MJ Lovers are just getting mad because LeBron is getting really close to GOAT status. There will be a really strong case for LeBron #1 if he beats this GSW team. I know I'll be making it.
Quote from: Andrew3747 on January 31, 2017, 02:15:53 PM
This isn't aimed at anyone here, but I'm sick and tired of people like Skip, Chuck, Stephen A who claim to know basketball and all those facebook pages with indians, asians who have 0 minutes on the court and 2 seasons of watching 20 games having a go @ LeBron over the past month.
- LeBron isn't asking for James Harden. He is asking for a guy who can run the floor without him and Kyrie.
- Warriors added a 4th HOF player to their roster while the Cavs added Kay Felder. They have a spare roster space and two 5m contracts/exemptions they can use.
-Stop saying LeBron should take less money. When LeBron joined the Cavs, Gilbert said he will have unlimited resources and LeBron will get max. How it works is even if LeBron took the minimum, they are still over the cap since you can resign players for over the amount. Doesn't matter how much LeBron takes, they would still be in the same situation now.
- Stop saying LeBron gets whatever he wants and has all the help in the world. LeBron has never been on a historically elite team. He has never had the team that Bird, Magic, Kareem, Jordan, Russell or any other Mount Rushmore type of player has had.
- Those LeBron Haters/MJ Lovers are just getting mad because LeBron is getting really close to GOAT status. There will be a really strong case for LeBron #1 if he beats this GSW team. I know I'll be making it.
:o
Which part do you have a problem with?
Quote from: Andrew3747 on January 31, 2017, 02:15:53 PM
LeBron has never been on a historically elite team. He has never had the team that Bird, Magic, Kareem, Jordan, Russell or any other Mount Rushmore type of player has had.
What?! LeBron James, Dwyane Wade, and Chris Bosh in their primes is historically elite.
Quote from: LaHug on January 31, 2017, 04:20:29 PM
Quote from: Andrew3747 on January 31, 2017, 02:15:53 PM
LeBron has never been on a historically elite team. He has never had the team that Bird, Magic, Kareem, Jordan, Russell or any other Mount Rushmore type of player has had.
What?! LeBron James, Dwyane Wade, and Chris Bosh in their primes is historically elite.
Wade was prime in 2006.
He was maybe 75% of himself in 2011 and lebron stuffed that series up and should have won. Its his only blemish.
He never had prime wade its a diservice to wade to say he was anywhere near himself. Give cavs prime 2006 wade and they 4 peat he was that good.
Chris Bosh scored exactly 0 points in a game 7. Jordan never had to worry about Rodman giving him 0 rebounds. Wade is super good but he was injury riddled in 2012+. The depth of that Heat team was shower as well. Yeah they had Allen but he was 9 years out of his prime.
2011 is on LeBron and no one can change that, but what he has done since then is just incredible. That Heat team was elite but not one of the top 10 greatest teams ever like any other top 5/10 player has been apart of.
Quote from: jvalles69 on January 31, 2017, 02:41:35 PM
Quote from: Andrew3747 on January 31, 2017, 02:15:53 PM
This isn't aimed at anyone here, but I'm sick and tired of people like Skip, Chuck, Stephen A who claim to know basketball and all those facebook pages with indians, asians who have 0 minutes on the court and 2 seasons of watching 20 games having a go @ LeBron over the past month.
- LeBron isn't asking for James Harden. He is asking for a guy who can run the floor without him and Kyrie.
- Warriors added a 4th HOF player to their roster while the Cavs added Kay Felder. They have a spare roster space and two 5m contracts/exemptions they can use.
-Stop saying LeBron should take less money. When LeBron joined the Cavs, Gilbert said he will have unlimited resources and LeBron will get max. How it works is even if LeBron took the minimum, they are still over the cap since you can resign players for over the amount. Doesn't matter how much LeBron takes, they would still be in the same situation now.
- Stop saying LeBron gets whatever he wants and has all the help in the world. LeBron has never been on a historically elite team. He has never had the team that Bird, Magic, Kareem, Jordan, Russell or any other Mount Rushmore type of player has had.
- Those LeBron Haters/MJ Lovers are just getting mad because LeBron is getting really close to GOAT status. There will be a really strong case for LeBron #1 if he beats this GSW team. I know I'll be making it.
:o
Didn't have a problem with the post, I'm a MJ lover, but not a Lebron hater and think the guy is doing stuff we've never seen before...was just the part about the indians and asians I took offense at...or I just read it wrong...
Sorry, was an emotional post. A lot of facebook pages have floods of people from that part of the world who have only been watching basketball since the warriors started winning and are flat out hating on LeBron.
Quote from: Andrew3747 on January 31, 2017, 05:05:58 PM
2011 is on LeBron and no one can change that, but what he has done since then is just incredible. That Heat team was elite but not one of the top 10 greatest teams ever like any other top 5/10 player has been apart of.
2011 - Loss 2-4
2012 - Win 4-1
2013 - Win 4-3
2014 - Loss 1-4
2015 - Loss 2-4
2016 - Win 4-3
How is that incredible? What is incredible is that he has made the finals for 6 seasons in a row. But only winning 3 out of those 6 is not incredible. Then add in the 4-0 smashing he got at the hands of the Spurs in 2007. So 3 wins from 7 appearances is not incredible.
Jordan's 1st 3-peat only had 3 decent players and the rest were all roleplayers or past their prime.
Jordan, Pippen, Horace Grant - best 3 by a mile on those teams
BJ Armstrong was solid, but no superstar
Bill Cartwright was mid to late 30's and was well past it
1993 Bulls
Michael Jordan - GOAT
Scottie Pippen - Superstar
Horace Grant - Quality player
BJ Armstrong - Solid Player
Ricky Blanton
Bill Cartwright - 36yo and was the starting centre... lol
Joe Courtney
Jo Jo English
Stacey King
Rodney McCray -
Ed Nealy
John Paxson - 32yo and replaced in starting lineup by BJ Armstrong
Will Perdue
Trent Tucker
Darrell Walker
Corety Williams
Scott Williams
Quote from: Andrew3747 on January 31, 2017, 05:44:11 PM
Sorry, was an emotional post. A lot of facebook pages have floods of people from that part of the world who have only been watching basketball since the warriors started winning and are flat out hating on LeBron.
Haha, all good, i constantly see white dudes who have been watching basketball for their whole lives saying stupid shower on facebook pages! ::)
Quote from: valkorum on January 31, 2017, 06:00:40 PM
Quote from: Andrew3747 on January 31, 2017, 05:05:58 PM
2011 is on LeBron and no one can change that, but what he has done since then is just incredible. That Heat team was elite but not one of the top 10 greatest teams ever like any other top 5/10 player has been apart of.
2011 - Loss 2-4
2012 - Win 4-1
2013 - Win 4-3
2014 - Loss 1-4
2015 - Loss 2-4
2016 - Win 4-3
How is that incredible? What is incredible is that he has made the finals for 6 seasons in a row. But only winning 3 out of those 6 is not incredible. Then add in the 4-0 smashing he got at the hands of the Spurs in 2007. So 3 wins from 7 appearances is not incredible.
Jordan's 1st 3-peat only had 3 decent players and the rest were all roleplayers or past their prime.
Jordan, Pippen, Horace Grant - best 3 by a mile on those teams
BJ Armstrong was solid, but no superstar
Bill Cartwright was mid to late 30's and was well past it
1993 Bulls
Michael Jordan - GOAT
Scottie Pippen - Superstar
Horace Grant - Quality player
BJ Armstrong - Solid Player
Ricky Blanton
Bill Cartwright - 36yo and was the starting centre... lol
Joe Courtney
Jo Jo English
Stacey King
Rodney McCray -
Ed Nealy
John Paxson - 32yo and replaced in starting lineup by BJ Armstrong
Will Perdue
Trent Tucker
Darrell Walker
Corety Williams
Scott Williams
I can respond later more indepth with a pretty good case for LeBron.
LeBron has most finals, most MVPs, equal rings, equal FMVPs, top 2 PER, top 3 WS, highest +\- in this 6 year stretch compared to any other player since 1975ish.
Also, lets not forget Jordan's finals opponents werent as good as LeBron's. Barkleys Phoenix is the only one that was really, really good, but none have been elite teams. Portland with Draxler and an old lakers team with Magic being way out of his prime with the teams best player being James Worthy.
EDIT
Magic being way out of his prime is prob a stretch but I believe all of his numbers+metrics went down except assists. He wasn't the same player as the seasons before.
Honestly I'm over the whole argument and I'm a massive MJ fan. Can't we appreciate each player for what they give to the game and how much they entertain us? MJ to me will always be the GOAT, but not just because of what he did in the game, the fact that he was the sole reason I got into basketball at the age of 6 and I've played for almost 30 years of my life at different levels, to me thats worth more than what Lebron or any other player will ever do, but tonnes of people will have the same experience with Lebron too, Kobe aswell. At least I can appreciate each player for what they do without comparison.
I just get angry and upset when people say that LeBron can never be mentioned in the same breath as MJ and that he isn't clutch, needed more help and all that crap. LeBron is getting really close to him. Michael's legacy grows bigger every year and we love Michael for it but hate LeBron for the exact same thing.
Quote from: Andrew3747 on January 31, 2017, 06:21:41 PM
I can respond later more indepth with a pretty good case for LeBron.
LeBron has most finals, most MVPs, equal rings, equal FMVPs, top 2 PER, top 3 WS, highest +\- in this 6 year stretch compared to any other player since 1975ish.
Also, lets not forget Jordan's finals opponents werent as good as LeBron's. Barkleys Phoenix is the only one that was really, really good, but none have been elite teams. Portland with Draxler and an old lakers team with Magic being way out of his prime with the teams best player being James Worthy.
EDIT
Magic being way out of his prime is prob a stretch but I believe all of his numbers+metrics went down except assists. He wasn't the same player as the seasons before.
In 6 years (91-96) Jordan had:
4 x Champion (91-93, 96)
3 x MVP (91, 92, 96)
4 x Scoring Titles (91-93, 96)
4 x Finals MVP (91-93, 96)
4 x NBA All Defensive Team (91-93, 96)
4 x All NBA 1st Team (91-93, 96)
4 x All Star (91-93, 96)
1 x All Star MVP (96)
1 x Steals Leader (93)
Also, Jordan didn't play in 94 & came back on 18th March 1995 (I'm Back)
1991 (4-1) -- Bulls v Lakers (Magic Johnson, Vlade Divac, Sam Perkins, James Worthy, Byron Scott)
1992 (4-2) -- Bulls v Trailblazers (Danny Ainge, Mark Bryant, Clyde Drexler, Jerome Kersey, Terry Porter, Cliff Robinson
1993 (4-2) -- Bulls v Suns (Charles Barkley, Danny Ainge, Richard Dumas, Kevin Johnson, Dan Majerle)
1996 (4-2) -- Bulls v Supersonics (Hersey Hawkins, Shawn Kemp, Gary Payton, Sam Perkins, Detlef Schrempf)
1997 (4-2) -- Bulls v Jazz (Karl Malone, John Stockton, Jeff Hornacek)
1998 (4-2) -- Bulls v Jazz (Karl Malon, John Stockton, Jeff Hornacek)
If anything, I would say the 1997, 1998 Jazz were the weakest teams that Jordan faced in NBA Finals. And I didn't include those years in the 6 year spread.
Quote from: Andrew3747 on January 31, 2017, 07:09:34 PM
I just get angry and upset when people say that LeBron can never be mentioned in the same breath as MJ and that he isn't clutch, needed more help and all that crap. LeBron is getting really close to him. Michael's legacy grows bigger every year and we love Michael for it but hate LeBron for the exact same thing.
There is probably a small exhale and then you can talk about LeBron... but he isn't on the same level as the GOAT - no one is.
Wow there's more activity about this then the last month combined it feels like haha
Im obviously including this years "win" against the warriors in 6 years.
for LeBron v MJ in 5 years.
Jordan
3x Rings
2x MVP
3x FMVP
3x Finals
LeBron
3x Rings
2x MVP
3x FMVP
5x Finals
Lets not forget MJ lost vs Shaq and the Magic.
But since you think no one is even close. Im going to make my case. Ill be back in 1 hoursish.
Quote from: Andrew3747 on January 31, 2017, 02:15:53 PM
- Stop saying LeBron gets whatever he wants and has all the help in the world. LeBron has never been on a historically elite team. He has never had the team that Bird, Magic, Kareem, Jordan, Russell or any other Mount Rushmore type of player has had.
This is the only part I don't agree with. We should be appreciating greatness and that is why I have no hate for LeBron what so ever. But he joined Wade who had won championship and Bosh.
MJ had good teams too, part of it was building together. Kinda like Steph and the Warriors did before KD come along. Where if you told me Green and Klay were going to be top 10 players in the league when they were drafted or even just after you were kidding yourself.
Now LeBron has joined Cavs and has won a championship he still got elite players around him but just hasn't had anyone join since. The 6 years Jordan had won't and isn't matched by LeBron at all, they were incredible individual and team performances, that is what makes greatness.
LeBron is great there is no doubt about that but MJ is the GOAT
For current day basketball. Just sit back and watch the fun that Golden State have night in and night out. The beast individual performances of Westbrook and Harden atm. While we wait for playoffs LeBron to arrive
This is extremely long. Cliffs are at the bottom. This is obviously pending on LeBron winning more titles. If this does not happen, LeBron's case is closed.
For this case, LeBron James beat GSW and let’s say has gone to another final. The most likely scenario is he will go to 3 more finals, however I'll do 1 win and 2 finals. He is 4-5 in the finals. If LeBron doesn’t win another ring, we can end the conversation there. So here are my cases for LeBron as #1 if this was to happen.
1. LeBron James is a better basketballer than Michael Jordan
This is straight forward. LeBron is 6’9, 250lbs and plays on ball. He is quicker and stronger. He is better than Michael at everything other than shooting. He has higher basketball IQ. People think Jordan beats LeBron 1v1 and this is crazy. LeBron can defend the shot while Michael will struggle defending the drive. If I had to give a % chance, would be 65/35 in favour of LeBron.
2. LeBron James will have every simple statistical and most metrical arguments over Michael Jordan.
He will have more points, rebounds, assists, steals, blocks, FG%, 3PT%, WS, TS, +/-, VORP. PER would be likely the only stat that he would lead in and even then difference is .6 for regular season and 1.1 for Playoffs.
3. LeBron James has beaten better teams than Michael Jordan.
Again, simple. Jordan never beat Bird’s teams. Never beat the Pistons in their prime. Couldn’t even see the Showtime Lakers. Lost to Shaq and the Magic. He beat the Pistons when Isiah Thomas wasn’t 100%. He beat teams that had 1 star, maximum 2. Even the Jazz and Sonics who had 2 stars, Karl Malone and Stockton weren’t in their prime , only Payton is a HOF for the Sonics.
LeBron James played against a Spurs Dynasty three times. Yes 2 of the 3 times they played they weren’t in their primes but they aged better than the others except maybe Malone. He played against a Mavs team with Dirk, which maybe the worst team LeBron played against, but is still better than 5 of the 6 teams Jordan played. GSW teams are easily the best teams either played and the OKC team was still pretty damn good. If I had to rank them combined, it would be like this.
16 GSW
15 GSW
07 Spurs
13 Spurs
14 Spurs
12 OKC
93 PHX
11 Mavs
97 Jazz
98 Jazz
96 Sonics
91 Lakers
92 Blazers
Jordan played against a total of 10 All Stars and 9 Hall of Famers in 6 finals.
LeBron has played against a total of 15 All stars and 19 potential future Hall of Famers in 7 finals.
• I did not include James Harden in the HOF since he wasn’t even close to the type of player he is today. Leonard is also included in this. Terry, Kidd, and Spurs in 14 are not included in this as All Stars.
• If we include the 17 GSW, it increases to 20 All Stars and 23 Future Hall of Famers.
Another thing to add is that Jordan played when expansions happened and the depth fell. There were more teams with worse winning % and a lot of good teams had a higher winning % because of this.
4. Michael Jordan has been on way better teams than LeBron James.
Jordan’s bulls have 4 of the top 10 greatest seasons of all time and the Bulls of 95-96 are easily the greatest team until this years Warriors. List of things the Bull had
- The best Head Coach at that time and maybe GOAT in Phil Jackson
- The best player in Michael Jordan
- The best defender and a top 50 all-time player in Scottie Pippen
- The best rebounder and a top 5 rebounder of all time in Dennis Rodman
- Top 5 3pt shooter of all time and I believe the current highest 3PT% of all time in Steve Kerr
- The best Euro in Toni Kukoc.
The list of things LeBron has on his best ever team 12-13 Heat.
- The best player in LeBron James
- A coach that was about to be sacked the year before LeBron joined
- Dwyane Wade who wasn’t healthy (But still a top 3 SG and a top 50 all time player)
- Chris Bosh who is a face up four at best
- 7 year out of prime Ray Allen
- Bunch of good pieces who could shoot
LeBron never had the best of anything except for himself. Chris Bosh, Ray Allen, Mike Miller for the G5-7 had a combined average of 11/4/2 including 70mins in game 7 combined for 0 pts 12 rebounds 6 assists. Jordan never had to worry about Rodman giving him 0 rebounds.
Chris Bosh is not an elite player. He was a very good player @ Toronto and turned into a great piece for LeBron.
LeBron was favourite 2 out of 7. Jordan was 6 out of 6.
5. Get ready for this one. LeBron James is more clutch than Michael Jordan.
I know what you’re thinking. No way. However, stats say something that the media doesn’t want you to hear. LeBron James comes up huge in 4th Quarters, OT’s and elimination games in playoffs. This is what I think Clutch means. Not only taking the last shot but doing everything.
- Jordan and LeBron both have 3 buzzer beaters for 7 attempted in the playoffs.
- In the final 5 seconds Jordan is 5/11 and LeBron is 6/10
- in the final 24 seconds, Jordan is 11/28 and LeBron is 9/18
- In the final 60 seconds, Jordan is 14/37 and LeBron is 13/27
- In the 4th and OT, while on the floor Jordan’s teams are 115 pts per 100 possessions. LeBron is 118 per 100.
- In the 4th and OT, while on the floor Jordan’s teams give up 104 per 100 possessions. LeBron is 101 per 100.
- Jordan’s stat line for elimination games, 31.9 7.8 7.0 on 44% shooting
- LeBron’s stat line for elimination games, 32.9 10.8 6.9 on 47% shooting
- LeBron has only scored less than 30 points once since 2011 in game 6 or 7s or elimination games and that was game 7 vs GSW 2016.
- Coming back from 3-1 vs this 73 win team maybe the greatest achievement in NBA history.
- He has 4 of the top 10 playoff achievements in history. 2012 ECF Game vs Boston, 2007 vs Detroit, the stretch of Games 5-7 in 2016, and taking the GSW to 6 games with Delly as his 2nd best player. Robbed of the FMVP. 36-13-9-1-.5 on 40% and 32%.
- LeBron’s game 6 final quarter in 2013, 16-5-5-2-1. He did get 3 “turnovers†(1 50/50 charge call, a deflection and 1 really bad pass by him) which is all that gets highlighted but they forget what he did and the two 3’s that he made in the final 5 mins.
- LeBron has 0 first round exits. Jordan has 3.
- LeBron has been swept once. Jordan 4 times.
To the people who want to make the argument that Kyrie takes all the clutch shots. Paxton and Kerr splashed a few 3’s in the clutch for Jordan in big games.
6. LeBron James makes his teams better
Don’t think anyone can argue this. Look what happened to the Cavs and Heat when he left, compared to the Bulls. The Bulls were one shocking call away from another Finals. The Cavs got the 1st pick in the lottery. LeBron’s team score more points than Jordan when his on the floor but score way less when they both aren’t on the floor. He made Mo Williams an All Star. He took a team who’s second best player was Z to a final. Open and Shut case.
7. LeBron is a better team mate
This one is sort of meh but I think it’s worth bringing up. Players take cuts to play with LeBron. He is a better shot caller and gets everyone involved a lot more.
Cliffs:
LeBron is better at Basketball
LeBron will have 99% of the stat arguments
LeBron beat better teams
LeBron played on worse teams
LeBron is more clutch
LeBron makes his teams better
LeBron is a better team mate
Not to mention Jordan's record pre Pippen is pretty bad.
Too far
Quote from: R.Griffen on January 31, 2017, 10:41:25 PM
Too far
Tell me where and we can discuss but saying "too far" isn't good and doesn't bring anything to the conversation.
If anyone hasn't seen it, Saric and Covington ripped the third quarter apart today. 6'ers scored 42 points and they were a huge part of it.
https://twitter.com/Sixers/status/826295556238610432
That's the Saric highlights, his passing and court vision is just ridiculous.
Sounds like it's turned into an I hate Michael Jordan thread...
Jordan did not have a better team than Lebron James on 2 occasions (Miami big 3 and Cavs big 3), Jordan made those players better than they actually were. Look at the 93-94 and 94-95 seasons, Bulls record dropped a fair bit when MJ left and rejoined partway through a season. To me this makes MJ a better teammate by far. Lebron doges in public about his teammates, MJ trashed his teammates in private and this made them better and more competitive, these guys wanted to win because MJ told them they were failures is they didn't win. MJ transformed "mediocre" teammates except for Pippen and Rodman into championship role players. Lebron wants to keep adding "pieces" cos he just can't get it done with what he has.
94 Bulls almost made the finals without Jordon.
LeBron took a 19 win team to the finals.
Bulls went 57 wins 55 lol.
Cavs went from 61 wins to 19....
How does that make Jordan a better team mate? IMO LBJ as the better team mate and worse teams is probably the only one that you cannot argue against. Kerr, Kukoc, Paxton, Oakley, BJ were all better than any of the none main peices than LeBron has ever had.
Again Ive listed things that you haven't rebutted at all. Jordans teams were unbelievably stacked from 93+. 2012 Heat and 16 Cavs are the only teams you can put above any of Jordans 6 Championship teams.
I dont hate Jordan. Jordan is the GOAT and probably will stay that way since LBJ wont be able to beat this GSW or Spurs.
Quote from: jvalles69 on January 31, 2017, 11:06:59 PM
Sounds like it's turned into an I hate Michael Jordan thread...
Also sounds like a I hate Wade, Bosh, Kyrie and Love thread
Kyrie is 24 and not in his prime. He isnt even the best PG in the conference. Love is a great 3rd peice as was Bosh. Wade like I say is easily the 3rd best SG ever and is a top 50 player of all time but he wasnt peak in the GOAT Heat season.
I did say that LBJ's constant whining about the Cavs roster was getting pretty annoying, simply because he gave Mo Williams, Chris Andersen and James Jones roster spots. Maybe if he didn't gift spots to his buddies then the GM could've had more of a chance to find a "playmaker". I think David Griffin has done a fantastic job with this roster, picking up Shump, JR, Mozgov, Delly, Korver, Frye and Jefferson for next to nothing. Dan Gilbert, the Cavs owner is also paying a huge luxury tax bill by doing what LBJ wanted and giving JR and Tristan big contracts. There's literally nothing that LeBron can complain about, every move that his franchise has made since he's come back has pretty much paid off.
That's all the negative that I have to say, because any sane person has LeBron in at least their top 5. But some points you made I do not agree with. Yes its true that in his early days with the Cavs, LBJ was carrying scrubs to the eastern conference finals every year. That isn't the case now though. He had two all-star calibre players in Miami and he has another two now. Bosh was elite in Miami, I think you're seriously underrating him. The ability he gave them to go small while not sacrificing much on the defensive end was critical to their success - in my opinion, he's a certain HOFer. Love was a beast before LeBron and still is very good with LeBron. Irving certainly isn't as good as Wade was in '11 or '12 but he's probably not too far off what Wade was in '13 and '14. Both teams had good role players: Chalmers and Battier both spread the floor and could defend multiple positions, and Ray was still lethal from outside. I'd argue that he probably has better role players now but the latter two of the big three were better in Miami.
Quote from: Andrew3747 on January 31, 2017, 10:04:32 PM
2. LeBron James will have every simple statistical and most metrical arguments over Michael Jordan.
I think you're exagerrating this a fair bit, I'll put the numbers in here so everyone else can see.
Michael Jordan: 29.1 PER, 204.5 WS, .274 WS/48, .580 TS%, 33.5 USG, 9.3 TOV%, 9.0 BPM, 99.8 VORP, 120 offensive rating, 103 defensive rating
LeBron James: 27.6 PER, 199.7 WS, .239 WS/48, .581 TS%, 31.6 USG, 12.7 TOV%, 9.1 BPM, 112.7 VORP, 116 offensive rating, 102 defensive rating
Playoff MJ: 28.6 PER, 39.8 WS, .255 WS/48, .568 TS%, 35.6 USG, 9.4 TOV%, 10.1 BPM, 22.8 VORP, 118 offensive rating, 104 defensive rating
Playoff LBJ: 27.7 PER, 41.6 WS, .238 WS/48, .567 TS%, 32 USG, 12.5 TOV%, 10.7 BPM, 26.8 VORP, 115 offensive rating, 101 defensive rating.
TL:DR? It's pretty hard to use the advanced statistics argument for anything other than "MJ has a slight edge over LBJ"
Also, I think you've analysed some of the opponents wrong. For example, lets compare the 97 Jazz to a few teams you have ranked above them:
97 Utah: 64-18 win/loss, 7.97 SRS, +9.6 net rating compared to league average
11 Mavs: 57-25 win/loss, 4.41 SRS, +4.7 net rating compared to league average
12 OKC: 47-19 win/loss, 6.44 SRS, +6.6 net rating compared to league average
13 Spurs: 58-24 win/loss, 6.67 SRS, +6.7 net rating compared to league average
Yes beating last years Warriors is the biggest accomplishment that either MJ or LBJ have had, but it would also be misleading not to mention the fact that Steph was injured and only able to play at like 65% of what he did in the regular season.
Overall, I think LBJ is the 2nd best player ever, but we probably disagree on the gap between him and MJ.
Like how you exlude the final 2 seasons from Jordan :)
First, never said Heat ddnt have great peices. All the teams did have great peices.
I can prob take the Utah thing. Utah is way overated though. They overachieved for 64 wins when there were way showerter teams. Some people have the 91 lakers above them. Mavs beat Kobe Lakers, Duncan Spurs, Durant Thunder and LeBron Heat. Dirk was pretty damn good and carried his team like what LeBron should have done.
Bosh was a great peice but he was never elite. He had super elite numbers as the only guy @ toronto. Defensively he was fine but never a stopper. Same situation with KLove.
Steph was good enough to drop 46 and come back from 3-1 vs OKC though after the injury.
Thanks Jay for going into that!
We're coming for that 1 seed, Cleveland :)
Izzy Thomas...
Doesnt matter where we seed though, we dont make it out of the east.
Turns out the rumours of Steph's demise were greatly exaggerated!
Quote from: plumdog millionaire on February 02, 2017, 08:25:43 PM
Turns out the rumours of Steph's demise were greatly exaggerated!
Looking like the best player in the league right now. I said it last year but there are only two players looking like they could knock LeBron off his perch as the league's best player, Durant and Curry. The difference between last year and this year is that now they're on the same team. League is flowered.
Gap between Steph and Durant is bigger than LeBron and Durant.
Quote from: Andrew3747 on February 03, 2017, 11:19:57 AM
Gap between Steph and Durant is bigger than LeBron and Durant.
Yeah Steph is better than Durant, so I agree on the gap being bigger. But Durant only slightly better than LeBron ;)
Quote from: LaHug on February 03, 2017, 09:55:03 AM
Quote from: plumdog millionaire on February 02, 2017, 08:25:43 PM
Turns out the rumours of Steph's demise were greatly exaggerated!
Looking like the best player in the league right now. I said it last year but there are only two players looking like they could knock LeBron off his perch as the league's best player, Durant and Curry. The difference between last year and this year is that now they're on the same team. League is flowered.
Steph isnt even the best player on his team. He is playing great but durrant is a level above.
Quote from: R.Griffen on February 04, 2017, 12:06:51 PM
Quote from: Andrew3747 on February 03, 2017, 11:19:57 AM
Gap between Steph and Durant is bigger than LeBron and Durant.
Yeah Steph is better than Durant, so I agree on the gap being bigger. But Durant only slightly better than LeBron ;)
Not even sure if this is serious not. Which is pretty sad.
I would build a team around Lebron or Durant well ahead of Steph every day of the week.
Not this argument again
Quote from: jvalles69 on February 04, 2017, 02:01:10 PM
I would build a team around Lebron or Durant well ahead of Steph every day of the week.
Not even an argument, however my view differs with I'd start one with Curry over Westbrook or Harden
Quote from: R.Griffen on February 04, 2017, 02:16:04 PM
Quote from: jvalles69 on February 04, 2017, 02:01:10 PM
I would build a team around Lebron or Durant well ahead of Steph every day of the week.
Not even an argument, however my view differs with I'd start one with Curry over Westbrook or Harden
Agreed, thats a bit harder to separate as they all bring different things to the table. Could make a case for each of those guys and it would be a fair call.
Think its pretty clear Harden>Steph>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Westbrook. If you want Steph over Harden, not going to argue, but if you want someone running the off, its not even close. If you flip Steph and Harden, the Rockets aren't the number 3 seed in the east, lets just say that.
IT with another 38 and 17 in the 4th. Prob goes to 3rd in MVP ranking. Surprised me this season. Didn't think he had this in him, but we still ain't winning anything with IT as our best player.
Yogi Ferrell GOAT
Who wins in an actual all star game? Line ups would prob be something like
West
PG: Harden
SG: Durant
SF: Leonard
PF: Green
C: Gasol/Jordan
6: Curry
7: Davis
8: Cousins
9: CP3
10: Haywood
11: Golbert
12: Klay
East
PG: Wall
SG: Butler
SF: James
PF: Millsap
C: Whiteside
6: Thomas
7: Giannis
8: George
9: Lowry
10: Kemba
11: Howard
12: DeRozan
Tried to make it as real as possible. I think I go east tbh. They got better perimiter defenders (even though Leonard is the best), better shooters (starting lineup, Klay/Steph off the bench is insane), better passes. West have better interior defenders and 3pt shooters though and better players off the bench. Be interesting.
Quote from: Andrew3747 on February 04, 2017, 06:30:39 PM
Who wins in an actual all star game? Line ups would prob be something like
West
PG: Harden
SG: Durant
SF: Leonard
PF: Green
C: Gasol/Jordan
6: Curry
7: Davis
8: Cousins
9: CP3
10: Haywood
11: Golbert
12: Klay
East
PG: Wall
SG: Butler
SF: James
PF: Millsap
C: Whiteside Embiid
6: Thomas
7: Giannis
8: George
9: Lowry
10: Kemba
11: Howard
12: DeRozan
Fixed.
Yeah Embiid is legt. I appreciate that fix!
Where's Westbrook?
Only limited number of PG spots. CP3, Harden and Curry are better so he misses out.
Quote from: Andrew3747 on February 04, 2017, 10:22:56 PM
Only limited number of PG spots. CP3, Harden and Curry are better so he misses out.
You just lost all of your credibility man, not that you ever had any.
I can show my work
Russell is last in TS, WS vs those guys. obviously PER, BPM and VORP are going to favor one star players. However if you couple all of the stats, it clearly shows out of the 4, he is the worst player. Can you show me how Russell is better than any of those guys? Kinda makes me laugh that you have Russell with inflated stats over any of those guys. Russell with KD couldn't even win. By himself he is obviously worse.
Obviously Westbrook's shooting efficiency is down given the load that he has to take on. I don't think that OKC would be better off with anyone else other than him apart from maybe LeBron. OKC has a great record in the clutch this year, and Russ has like an 80% Usage in those minutes, I give him huge credit for that.
But onto more important things, Coach Stevens is going to the all-star game :)
You think Durant doesn't take this team further than Westbrook?
What was KD's record with Westbrook vs KD's record without on the Thunder? Compare that to Westbrook's record with KD and without him. If KD is a guy you would build a team around and Westbook shows he can carry a team on his own better then Durant can, that speaks a ton more volume.
KD+Westbrook won 60/59/55 wins with 1 Final appearance, 2 WCF and were 1 game away from another final vs a 73 win team. With just Westbrook they are on track to win 15-20 less games and be the 7th seed. KD went to a 73 win juggernaut and instantly became the best player over a 2x MVP....
Its pretty clear that KD>Westbrook ainec....
No player can do it by themselves with LBJ/Durant in the league, but there is no chance that Westbrook has a higher % chance to win a game than KD does with the same team.
KD shoots better, he dribbles better, this year has shown he can defend better. He gets guys involved more. Oh.. and he does it on 10% less USG and 10% more TS%. Get out of here man.
That still doesn't answer the question. On the Thunder did they have a better record without Westbrook or without KD. I already know what they did together, I want to know what they did with the same talent when the other was out.
Thunder with KD in 2014-2016
ORTG 110
DRTG 101
AR 16.9
FG% 52
TOV 13.48
Without KD 2014-2016
ORTG 103
DRTG 103
AR 14.8
FG% 47
TOV 15.74
OKC are 35-18 without Russell from 2013, finished with 59 wins when Russell missed 36 games.
OKC are 27-28 without Durant couple of seasons ago, finished with 45-37 and missed the playoffs.
Whiteside with 17/11 on 8/10 with 5 ORB aqnd a block in the first quarter....
Quote from: fanTCfool on February 04, 2017, 10:24:02 PM
Quote from: Andrew3747 on February 04, 2017, 10:22:56 PM
Only limited number of PG spots. CP3, Harden and Curry are better so he misses out.
You just lost all of your credibility man, not that you ever had any.
Agree
What else does Westbrook have to do?
Oh I dont know. Make more shots, while shooting less. Have a better A/T ratio? Win more games?
I never understood this forum. I just gave you hard evidence and facts on why he isnt even a top 5 PG in the league, yet you still stand by what your opinion is (which is mostly blinded by a triple double on a all time high USG rate). Im telling you the sky is blue, yet your telling me its red..
You want numbers or "hard evidence"?
1st in PER, 4th in RPM, 1st in BPM, 1st in VORP
You need to couple PER with TS and WS, otherwise its not a great stat. Otherwise Anthony Davis is the GOAT. Obviously someone like Westbrook is going to have the highest VORP, RPM BPM when his USG is 40%? Do you not know how those numbers work?
You need to add context to them otherwise you misinterpret, like you and everyone else here does. Kobe has 38% USG and also had the highest VORP and BPM, but his team didnt even make the playoffs.
Quote from: Andrew3747 on February 05, 2017, 07:34:49 PM
Oh I dont know. Make more shots, while shooting less. Have a better A/T ratio? Win more games?
I never understood this forum. I just gave you hard evidence and facts on why he isnt even a top 5 PG in the league, yet you still stand by what your opinion is (which is mostly blinded by a triple double on a all time high USG rate). Im telling you the sky is blue, yet your telling me its red..
Stats aren't the be all and end all of what makes a player. Guy can single-handeldly crush another team off his own back, plus he is a game winner. I'd bet all the analysts across basketball would have Westbrook in their current top 5 PG's, you're saying your opinion matters more and your evidence is correct.? Give me a break... ::)
Quote from: Andrew3747 on February 05, 2017, 08:13:30 PM
You need to couple PER with TS and WS, otherwise its not a great stat. Otherwise Anthony Davis is the GOAT. Obviously someone like Westbrook is going to have the highest VORP, RPM BPM when his USG is 40%? Do you not know how those numbers work?
You need to add context to them otherwise you misinterpret, like you and everyone else here does. Kobe has 38% USG and also had the highest VORP and BPM, but his team didnt even make the playoffs.
How has RPM got anything at all to do with usage? If anything, a higher usage makes a higher plus/minus even more impressive because he's the one creating the offense.
You think Westbrook is inefficient? Maybe, but anyone will be with the the load that he carries. Do you think that Russ' usage is a detriment to his team? Because OKC has a 109.9 offensive rating when he's on the court and a 100.7 when he's off it. OKC has an eFG% of .510 when he's on, and .476 when he's off. Turnovers are higher when he's off than when he's on, and assists are up when he's on he court.
Holding his usage against him when he has poor talent around him is dumb. Yes he's no LeBron being able to win 50 games with a bad supporting cast, but 29-22 in the west is not bad at all.
You know who I feel bad for? Dame Lillard. Dude is pretty good but his conference is stacked at the PG position.
Ill do your work for you
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PER
Westbrook
Harden
Paul
James
Curry
Lowry
TS%
Curry
Lowry
Harden
Paul
James
Westbrook
WS/48
Paul
Harden
Curry
Lowry
James
Westbrook
USG
Westbrook (41.8%!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
Harden
James
Curry
Lowry
Paul
Ortg
Paul
Lowry
Curry
Harden
James
Westbrook
Drtg
Westbrook
Paul
Curry
James
Harden
Lowry
Jay, I'm comparing him to other PG's in the league. He will win the MVP purely because he is more valuable to his team than anyone else. I'm not arguing that. What I'm arguing is that he isn't even a top 5 PG in the league.
Quote from: Mat0369 on February 05, 2017, 08:26:08 PM
You know who I feel bad for? Dame Lillard. Dude is pretty good but his conference is stacked at the PG position.
Kinda hard to win though when your 2nd best player is another guard who needs ball to play well. They are over the cap, so they need to move guys. Dame should leave, but he loves Portland.
Also RPM isnt even taken seriously by most people. Only ESPN use it, because they created it and no one else. Let alone, ESPN didnt even release how it is calculated....
Yeah if you compare 'lead ball handlers' Westbrook is either 5th or 6th depending on how you feel about Lowry. If you're going guys listed as 'PG' on the box score then he's top 3 in the league - That matters because All-NBA and All Star are judged this way.
A lot of his stats are skewed because he's playing with a lot of core players who are non-shooters so that affects his win shares and offensive rating. Yes the efficiency isn't as good as Curry, Paul, etc but look at those stats! His volume is sooo much higher than those other guys, he's taking the 4th most FGA per game, in a season, in the 3 point era. No his efficiency isn't as good as MJ, Kobe, T-Mac or LeBron (Who have 22+ FGA per game), but no one is saying he's better than them.
Quote from: Andrew3747 on February 05, 2017, 08:43:19 PM
Also RPM isnt even taken seriously by most people. Only ESPN use it, because they created it and no one else. Let alone, ESPN didnt even release how it is calculated....
I'd respectfully disagree. Some of the smartest basketball analysts (IN MY OPINION) (Who aren't affiliated with ESPN) take RPM pretty seriously while still recognising its deficiencies - Like having good/bad replacements or playing with/against bench units. It's pretty good at verifying the eye test in my opinion too, if you take a look at the leaders in ORPM and DRPM. It's certainly not as flawed as ESPN's Total QBR that's for sure.
You're seriously saying that Westbrook isn't a top 5 PG because you include LeBron in that list?
Anyway, let's just assume that LeBron is a PG, Kyle Lowry just isn't better than Westbrook.
Last 3 seasons:
Westbrook: 28.6 PER, .544 TS, 32.1 WS, .226 WS/48, 112 O Rating
Lowry: 21.6 PER, .575 TS, 27.4 WS, .184 WS/48, 116 O Rating
Pretty even, but slight edge to Westbrook imo.
Including this season, Westbrook has finished in the top 3 for RPM among point guards every season since since they started recording the stat (13-14). This will be Lowry's first should he hold on. Lowry has been good in this metric too, but not quite Westbrook level.
Last 2 seasons of playoff stats:
Westbrook: 25.8 PER, .527 TS, .186 WS/48
Lowry: 15.4 PER, .492 TS, .049 WS/48
As plumdog points out, and I don't think you're understanding, is that volume counts for a lot. It's a skill to be able to have a usage rate that high. He has to put up as many shots as he does because a bad shot for Westbrook is still better than what Oladipo, Adams or Roberson could create.
Lowry is having a great regular season as he has for the last few seasons now but he's flowered by the time playoffs roll around. Im a big Lowry fan and don't particularly enjoy Westbrook's game, but there's a clear difference between the two.
Quote from: Andrew3747 on February 05, 2017, 07:34:49 PM
I never understood this forum
And we don't understand you at all.
LeBron is greater than MJ.
A bloke who averages a triple double should do less to help his team, despite single handily winning them games all season
Durant is so far better than Curry, only for you to show stats that Curry leads PG's per 100 pos and advanced rankings. (Your boy LeBron) even in this list.
Westbrook not a top 5 pg in the league. I don't like the bloke, don't rate him that highly. His numbers are out of this world and majority of games his effort is needed for his team to be remotely close
Listen
Team A scores 120 points per game
Team B scores 115 points per game
Team A has X more possessions than Team B.
Team B is better offensively.
James Harden is doing more per possession with his USG, than Westbrook is. This is how teams and players are judged on. Yes, he is doing the best he can with a supporting cast that isn't that great.
Jay, you repeatedly shift posts all the time. Westbrook and Lowry 3 seasons ago weren't the type of players they are today. Why are we comparing them from the 2014 season?
Quote from: Andrew3747 on February 05, 2017, 09:55:09 PM
Listen
Team A scores 120 points per game
Team B scores 115 points per game
Team A has X more possessions than Team B.
Team B is better offensively.
James Harden is doing more per possession with his USG, than Westbrook is. This is how teams and players are judged on. Yes, he is doing the best he can with a supporting cast that isn't that great.
Could you elaborate on this? Doesn't quite make sense
Quote from: Andrew3747 on February 05, 2017, 09:55:09 PM
Jay, you repeatedly shift posts all the time. Westbrook and Lowry 3 seasons ago weren't the type of players they are today. Why are we comparing them from the 2014 season?
Do you think that who's having the best season = who the best player is?
Quote from: Jay on February 05, 2017, 10:46:34 PM
Quote from: Andrew3747 on February 05, 2017, 09:55:09 PM
Jay, you repeatedly shift posts all the time. Westbrook and Lowry 3 seasons ago weren't the type of players they are today. Why are we comparing them from the 2014 season?
Do you think that who's having the best season = who the best player is?
Yogi Ferrell > All in that case ;)
KINGS FTW!!!
Quote from: valkorum on February 06, 2017, 01:09:50 PM
Quote from: RiOtChEsS on February 06, 2017, 11:34:44 AM
Quote from: valkorum on February 06, 2017, 12:48:18 AM
KINGS FTW!!!
Boogie is Ballin 8)
The team seems to be playing better without Rudy Gay
Tolliver for MVP. More movement on the floor without Gay. I am a huge fan of Gay but this team move the ball around a hell lot more rather than just playing 2 man basketball with Cousins and Gay which doesn't seem to work as the switch doesn't really provide a mismatch but just a different defender
Quote from: R.Griffen on February 06, 2017, 01:54:28 PM
Tolliver for MVP. More movement on the floor without Gay. I am a huge fan of Gay but this team move the ball around a hell lot more rather than just playing 2 man basketball with Cousins and Gay which doesn't seem to work as the switch doesn't really provide a mismatch but just a different defender
Garret Temple for MVP. Tolliver has been ok but Temple has been much better IMO. His defence is heaps better than Tolliver's and his shooting has been about the same.
Quote from: valkorum on February 06, 2017, 02:32:02 PM
Quote from: R.Griffen on February 06, 2017, 01:54:28 PM
Tolliver for MVP. More movement on the floor without Gay. I am a huge fan of Gay but this team move the ball around a hell lot more rather than just playing 2 man basketball with Cousins and Gay which doesn't seem to work as the switch doesn't really provide a mismatch but just a different defender
Garret Temple for MVP. Tolliver has been ok but Temple has been much better IMO. His defence is heaps better than Tolliver's and his shooting has been about the same.
I've been surprised that mclemore hasnt totally sucked for the past couple.
Quote from: killerbees on February 07, 2017, 09:44:35 AM
Quote from: valkorum on February 06, 2017, 02:32:02 PM
Quote from: R.Griffen on February 06, 2017, 01:54:28 PM
Tolliver for MVP. More movement on the floor without Gay. I am a huge fan of Gay but this team move the ball around a hell lot more rather than just playing 2 man basketball with Cousins and Gay which doesn't seem to work as the switch doesn't really provide a mismatch but just a different defender
Garret Temple for MVP. Tolliver has been ok but Temple has been much better IMO. His defence is heaps better than Tolliver's and his shooting has been about the same.
I've been surprised that mclemore hasnt totally sucked for the past couple.
I swear he wishes he was still playing college
Pelicans and Sixers in talks for Jah.
Quote from: killerbees on February 07, 2017, 09:44:35 AM
I've been surprised that mclemore hasnt totally sucked for the past couple.
I was worried the other night - first 4 shots he had were misses including 2 wide open. But then scored 14 or 16 in the 1st half.
Man Ty Lue is one ugly mf
ESPN just sent me a notification saying Bron wants the Cavs to trade Love for Melo. Didn't Melo, Bron and CP3 say they all want to play together at some point?
Melo and CP3 to Cavs
Kyrie and Love to LA
Blake or Jordan to the Knicks
Quote from: R.Griffen on February 07, 2017, 09:52:15 AM
Quote from: killerbees on February 07, 2017, 09:44:35 AM
Quote from: valkorum on February 06, 2017, 02:32:02 PM
Quote from: R.Griffen on February 06, 2017, 01:54:28 PM
Tolliver for MVP. More movement on the floor without Gay. I am a huge fan of Gay but this team move the ball around a hell lot more rather than just playing 2 man basketball with Cousins and Gay which doesn't seem to work as the switch doesn't really provide a mismatch but just a different defender
Garret Temple for MVP. Tolliver has been ok but Temple has been much better IMO. His defence is heaps better than Tolliver's and his shooting has been about the same.
I've been surprised that mclemore hasnt totally sucked for the past couple.
I swear he wishes he was still playing college
Back before that organisation ruined him, stauskas, jimmer, tyreke, cauley-stein, whoever else they've taken high aside from Boogie
Quote from: Mat0369 on February 07, 2017, 01:52:37 PM
ESPN just sent me a notification saying Bron wants the Cavs to trade Love for Melo. Didn't Melo, Bron and CP3 say they all want to play together at some point?
Melo and CP3 to Cavs
Kyrie and Love to LA
Blake or Jordan to the Knicks
Blake cant go to the Knicks while they have Rose
That trade actually makes Lebrons championship window shorter and arguably the Cavs worse, seems unlikely.
Cavs Vs Wiz is a corker
Quote from: Mat0369 on February 07, 2017, 01:52:37 PM
ESPN just sent me a notification saying Bron wants the Cavs to trade Love for Melo. Didn't Melo, Bron and CP3 say they all want to play together at some point?
Melo and CP3 to Cavs
Kyrie and Love to LA
Blake or Jordan to the Knicks
If lebron said do those moves or i walk i would let him walk. Surely they arent stupid enougj to give away kyrie.
Knicks win big as do la
LeBron isnt clutch l...
Quote from: RiOtChEsS on February 07, 2017, 02:31:01 PM
Cavs Vs Wiz is a corker
do yourselves a favor and watch this game, at least the highlight package :-X
Kyrie is so clutch
35 points in a single OT
Damn
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Damn it, Cavs were paying $4.50 yesterday against OKC today with talks of the big 3 being rested...I was going to get on but forgot and all 3 are playing. :(
lol LeBron flopping again
Finally Philly grab a win with out Embiid
Quote from: jvalles69 on February 10, 2017, 12:45:26 PM
Damn it, Cavs were paying $4.50 yesterday against OKC today with talks of the big 3 being rested...I was going to get on but forgot and all 3 are playing. :(
Dodged a bullet. :-X
Dario is such a beast.
And TJ is turning into Mr Clutch!
Jokic is a straight BEAST
Bucks are crap. How do you give up 70+ points in a half vs the Lakers?
Draymond with a Triple Double with steals! Did it without points and 5 blocks as well!
Kings come from 22 down to beat the Hawks
Quote from: plumdog millionaire on February 11, 2017, 02:38:09 PM
Jokic is a straight BEAST
love The Joker
Quote from: TomK on February 11, 2017, 03:41:30 PM
Draymond with a Triple Double with steals! Did it without points and 5 blocks as well!
could have joined The Admiral and The Dream with a quadruple double if he scored more than 4 points :D
Anyone watching the KD homecoming game?
Quote from: plumdog millionaire on February 12, 2017, 02:06:05 PM
Anyone watching the KD homecoming game?
NBA regular season... I'll watch highlights later maybe, it really is a waste of time these days
Former C Fab Melo died this morning.
Jah was held out of the game against the Heat due to a potential trade. Lots of stuff going down right now.
News broke with Embiid having a slight meniscus tear, BC is saying that isn't the reason he isn't playing and it was likely there before the original MRI. Bone bruising is the main reason he has been held out. This news all came out after Embiid was filmed dancing on stage at the Meek Mill concert at Wells Fargo last night. He participated in a shoot around and it's just a matter of waiting for him to be asymptomatic before he can play.
Philly broke Miami's win streak which was the longest in the league this season. It was on the back of great defense lead by Noel and Covington, Saric and TJ both killed it again as well. There was one passage of play where Dario hit a no look pass to Sergio who then went with a behind the back pass to an open Sauce who hit the 3.
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Jah was seen shaking hands with team mates before being escorted to the locker room at one point. It was thought the trade might have been done there. Nothing has completely broken yet but these are some of the rumors. NO are apparently the front runners for Jah, Blazers and Bulls are the other two. The Bulls would probably waive protection on the Kings pick as part of the trade. Philly really want to bring Jrue back and have been asking for him in a trade. This was posted by a guy that used to cover the 6'ers for CSN
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One other report is the Lakers are interested and will remove protection on their pick. The account that posted that doesn't seem to have much credibility though.
Jah was also reported after the game as saying he is expecting the trade to be done in the next day or two from what he has been told. I have gained a lot of respect for him in this whole process. He hasn't complained once, gone about playing and has handled it like a true pro.
Looks like Den/NO/Phi 3 way. Jurkic being moved somewhere too.
Jurkic for Plumlee is done, doesnt move needle really on either, don't really understand it on Blazers.
Whoever gets Okafor is getting Brook Lopez light
Quote from: killerbees on February 13, 2017, 10:49:54 AM
Jurkic for Plumlee is done, doesnt move needle really on either, don't really understand it on Blazers.
Whoever gets Okafor is getting Brook Lopez light
Whenever you can get a first round pick for a backup C then you take it.
Quote from: plumdog millionaire on February 13, 2017, 10:55:18 AM
Quote from: killerbees on February 13, 2017, 10:49:54 AM
Jurkic for Plumlee is done, doesnt move needle really on either, don't really understand it on Blazers.
Whoever gets Okafor is getting Brook Lopez light
Whenever you can get a first round pick for a backup C then you take it.
Plumlee and Jokic on court at the same time is an insane tandem, both cracking passers and 7ft tall
Blazers desperately needed some D at the 5 so i can see this making both teams better
Plumlee and Joker need to play at the same time though or i dont like the trade for Denver
Playing them at the same time makes no sense.
Quote from: Andrew3747 on February 13, 2017, 06:21:50 PM
Playing them at the same time makes no sense.
Yep, Plumlees stocks plummett. Had a much better outlook in Portland, might be a bit of insurance as Joker is fairly injury prone.
Plumdog should be basically a backup for Joker, both are top 5 big men passers so they won't have to change the system for those guys depending on who is on the court. I expect them to play together for 5-10 minutes a game because they already have Faried, Arthur, Chandler, Hernangomez and even Gallo who are good fits next to Jokic or Plumdog
Quote from: plumdog millionaire on February 13, 2017, 07:19:30 PM
Plumdog should be basically a backup for Joker, both are top 5 big men passers so they won't have to change the system for those guys depending on who is on the court. I expect them to play together for 5-10 minutes a game because they already have Faried, Arthur, Chandler, Hernangomez and even Gallo who are good fits next to Jokic or Plumdog
If all those pieces are still there! ;)
Portland wins big though. They get a extra pick in a stacked draft plus move 15m/yr from their cap for Nurkic who has decent upside but can be moved on again for a profit. Think if they can move Crabbe/Turner and maybe CJ, they can rebuild through Lillard and acquire someone like Cousins through FA.
Why give up a 1st round draft pick for a backup... #givethatsomethought
From Denver's point of view, they dont like Nurkic and dont see him as a good enough replacement. Plumlee is a decent replacement for current Jokic if he goes down/mins. But they aren't winning anything any time soon, so dont understand why they are taking on a rental with a decent size contract.
Quote from: Andrew3747 on February 13, 2017, 08:26:44 PM
From Denver's point of view, they dont like Nurkic and dont see him as a good enough replacement. Plumlee is a decent replacement for current Jokic if he goes down/mins. But they aren't winning anything any time soon, so dont understand why they are taking on a rental with a decent size contract.
reasonable logic but a 1st round pick gimme a break
Quote from: RiOtChEsS on February 13, 2017, 08:17:20 PM
Why give up a 1st round draft pick for a backup... #givethatsomethought
I guess the pick would have been mid to early 20's in a draft people say is stacked - but so was the 2014 one apparently. Denver have a roster crunch and wouldn't have been able to add two more developmental guys to a team that already has a lot of young prospects (7 playerss <22), and besides Plumdog is probably better than most historically drafted in that range. Could be a win-win for both sides if Nurk can play like he did as a rookie.
Big issue for Denver is that they will have to pay Plumdog in RFA - They are taking the chance that the market for C's will be over-saturated as it is now and may be able to get him on the cheap.
Its via memphis so its not that bad, but its still going to be around the 20s and in a stacked draft ( yes its top heavy but still deep), is prob a mistake.
If they dont start both it is a bad trade for Denver
Its bad for den no matter what. They wont be starting together and thats not even a remotely good idea.
Plumlee top 5 passing centre?
In the NBA?
lol....
Next we will be believing his triple double hype
he has 21% of portlands assists.
fwiw, top 2 ore prob jokic and horford who both are 24%.
per 100 poss plumee has 7.5 assists, horford and jokic both have 7.7
its not laughable.
Jokic, Gasol, Horford, Plumdog, Boogie in some order
Quote from: Andrew3747 on February 13, 2017, 10:58:51 PM
he has 21% of portlands assists.
fwiw, top 2 ore prob jokic and horford who both are 24%.
per 100 poss plumee has 7.5 assists, horford and jokic both have 7.7
its not laughable.
Probably says more about his teams offensive structure than him using those two metrics.
Also 4 a game being 21% of teams total would also be a concern for Portland.
Dario has been pretty good. If his teammate wasn't so good he would probably be rookie of the year.
Holy crap. Ibaka to Toronto is huge! He's everything JV lacks. If they can mesh together quickly on the floor, you get spacing from Ibaka plus post presence from JV on offense, then you get rim protection from Ibaka on D! The only thing that convincingly beats this lineup is floor-spacing small ball (so the Cavs with Frye or Love as C, or the Warriors/Rockets run/gun/shoot lineups).
Quote from: LaHug on February 15, 2017, 09:44:07 AM
Holy crap. Ibaka to Toronto is huge! He's everything JV lacks. If they can mesh together quickly on the floor, you get spacing from Ibaka plus post presence from JV on offense, then you get rim protection from Ibaka on D! The only thing that convincingly beats this lineup is floor-spacing small ball (so the Cavs with Frye or Love as C, or the Warriors/Rockets run/gun/shoot lineups).
Serge Ibaka has officially been traded to the Raptors in exchange for Terrence Ross and a 2017 first-round pick.
So, to clear things up, the Magic essentially traded away Victor Oladipo, Domantas Sabonis, Ersan Ilyasova and Ibaka for Ross and a late 2017 first-rounder; so, not the best return on investment
Quote from: RiOtChEsS on February 15, 2017, 10:55:09 AM
Quote from: LaHug on February 15, 2017, 09:44:07 AM
Holy crap. Ibaka to Toronto is huge! He's everything JV lacks. If they can mesh together quickly on the floor, you get spacing from Ibaka plus post presence from JV on offense, then you get rim protection from Ibaka on D! The only thing that convincingly beats this lineup is floor-spacing small ball (so the Cavs with Frye or Love as C, or the Warriors/Rockets run/gun/shoot lineups).
Serge Ibaka has officially been traded to the Raptors in exchange for Terrence Ross and a 2017 first-round pick.
So, to clear things up, the Magic essentially traded away Victor Oladipo, Domantas Sabonis, Ersan Ilyasova and Ibaka for Ross and a late 2017 first-rounder; so, not the best return on investment
You can't include Ibaka in that if he's an in and out. It's Oladipo, Sabonis, Ilyasova for Ross and a late first. Which is still awful!
interested to see what Ross can be with freedom
They still got pantsed on back to back deals
Quote from: LaHug on February 15, 2017, 09:44:07 AM
Holy crap. Ibaka to Toronto is huge! He's everything JV lacks. If they can mesh together quickly on the floor, you get spacing from Ibaka plus post presence from JV on offense, then you get rim protection from Ibaka on D! The only thing that convincingly beats this lineup is floor-spacing small ball (so the Cavs with Frye or Love as C, or the Warriors/Rockets run/gun/shoot lineups).
Absolutely stoked with this, just need to find some form now, not looking the best today though
Hahaha Kevin O'Connor tweeted this:
Jahlil Okafor was shelved a ploy to stir interest and induce better offers, sources speculate. No one fell for it.
Quote from: plumdog millionaire on February 16, 2017, 10:06:53 AM
Hahaha Kevin O'Connor tweeted this:
Jahlil Okafor was shelved a ploy to stir interest and induce better offers, sources speculate. No one fell for it.
Getting rid of Hinkie might have completely derailed the process. Poor Philly.
Plumlee and Jokic starting together
Philly copped the full Marcus Smart experience today. 8 steals!!
Quote from: RiOtChEsS on February 16, 2017, 02:16:07 PM
Plumlee and Jokic starting together
combined for 26pts 5blks 7ast 23rebs, Joker shot poorly too so expect those numbers to improve
and they got blown out by the timberwolves without lavine....
Denver had no Gallinari, Chandler, Mudiay or Faried so ::)
All-star weekend has been a bit of a fizzer so far.
Celebrity game had some cool moments; the Harden impersonation, lead singer of Arcade Fire double doubling again, kid with the liver problem getting on court and hitting his first and only shot, some hot chick that hosts some 2k17 tv show nailing trey's.
Haven't watched the Rising Stars game, but some killer highlights from Joker, Jamal Murray (MVP trip dub) and KAT.
3pt competition, Klay failed, Eric Gordon beats Kyrie in OT.
Dunk comp was at rock bottom this year, some cool dunks, but not really by anyone popular which made it a quiet affair.
2 things I'd do to spice up the weekend.
1. Have someone donate 500K to the charity of the winners choice in the dunk comp. Would bring in the superstars to rais money for their charities.
2. Can the celeb game in favour of a legends game. That, people will pay to see! Even if it's guys who have retired in the past 2-3 years, but would be very nice to see guys like Payton, D-Rob, Zo, Webber etc play again.
yep snooze fest thus far
Yeah absolute fizzer, dunk comp was always going to struggle after last year, but I didn't expect this fall off.
I was at NOLA last all star in 14 and when it shifted from charlotte to NOLA i was spewing i wouldn't be there, think i dodged a fizzer the arena just seems so dead
looking like Westbrook MVP again. You would think how Warriors heavy the team is he would be no shot.
Irving probably the competition at this point.
really interested to see who gets mvp out of Westbrook and Davis. Davis 52 points but in 31 minutes.
I would give it to Westbrook with 41 in 19 minutes.
I really hope we get to see Davis Westbrook combo though no idea why davis signed the contract extension yeah he got paid but moving to a top team and being a contender surely he would make money on endoresement.
Davis is such a great player really has gone under the radar this year.
Boogie off to New Orleans! AD and Cousins, insane frontcourt!
Quote from: TomK on February 20, 2017, 04:50:07 PM
Boogie off to New Orleans! AD and Cousins, insane frontcourt!
So the trade is
Kings get: Buddy Hield, Tyreke Evans, Langston Galloway, 2017 1st Rounder and 2nd Rounder
Pelicans get: Cousins and Omri Casspi
Philly have a pick swap this year and unprotected first next year. Thanks Sacramento.
Quote from: Mat0369 on February 20, 2017, 05:09:50 PM
Philly have a pick swap this year and unprotected first next year. Thanks Sacramento.
geez thats great news. Sacremento you would think will fall apart in the west. He carried that team hard.
fantastic news as guy who likes both philly and new orleans. Great to see Davis play with a decent player for the first time. Probably abit top heavy in the front and very interested to see how it goes.
You would think small ball teams might struggle to stop these two.
would love to see them pick up one of the free agents in the offseason to do some massive damage.
Quote from: Mat0369 on February 20, 2017, 05:09:50 PM
Philly have a pick swap this year and unprotected first next year. Thanks Sacramento.
Only if we end up with a pick lower than yours do we swap, but the chances of that are now more likely.
I can't believe we did this trade, we basically got nothing back. Looks like we are going full rebuild.
Quote from: valkorum on February 20, 2017, 05:44:06 PM
Quote from: Mat0369 on February 20, 2017, 05:09:50 PM
Philly have a pick swap this year and unprotected first next year. Thanks Sacramento.
Only if we end up with a pick lower than yours do we swap, but the chances of that are now more likely.
I can't believe we did this trade, we basically got nothing back. Looks like we are going full rebuild.
valk does this mean philly can keep their 1st this year then trade the 2018 for your pick and if you got say the 1st pick in the draft philly get it?
Poor Valk
Holz, we get the swap this year and their pick unprotected regardless next year. It was part of the Stauskas deal. Because they owed Chicago a future lottery protected first they gave the 6'ers swap rights and then the unprotected future first was part of the deal. Philly don't send anything to the Kings next season for the first.
Hinkie just keeps on giving.
Quote from: Mat0369 on February 20, 2017, 06:44:17 PM
Holz, we get the swap this year and their pick unprotected regardless next year. It was part of the Stauskas deal. Because they owed Chicago a future lottery protected first they gave the 6'ers swap rights and then the unprotected future first was part of the deal. Philly don't send anything to the Kings next season for the first.
Hinkie just keeps on giving.
IF we don't swap picks this season then we give you our 2019 pick
The Chicago pick is top 10 protected, so that looks safe now.
Actually, I screwed up, it's 2019 unprotected. Pick swap has no bearing on the pick in 2019. Even if Philly use the swap they still get an unprotected 2019 pick. This year was the last in the swap rights. Kings keep their 2018 pick regardless.
Still can't believe Boogie will be teaming up with the Brow in New Orleans! Crazy stuff
Poor poor Valk :( the Kings were already the worst franchise in American Professional Sports but this just confirms it. Let me just go through everything that is wrong with this whole situation:
1. Some may disagree with me, but in my opinion, trading Cousins was always going to be a bad idea unless they were going to change management because we all knew that draft picks would be a key part of the trade and that the Kings drafting is absolutely horrible. So any first rounder that they receive, its likely they would waste it almost instantly. Let's look at the Kings first picks in each draft since Cousins: Fredette, Thomas Robinson, Mclemore, Stauskas, Cauley-Stein and Georgios Papagiannis. Yuck. Oh, and all of those players were drafted in the lottery. The Kings best draft selection since Cousins actually came in the 2nd round, that was Isaiah Thomas - what a steal! Oh, but then they let Isaiah go for nothing so they could save $4 million and downgrade to Darren Collison.
2. The funny thing with this is that they just traded their franchise player and arguably best big man in the entire league for an old rookie who hasn't shown anything at NBA level, and a pick that will not be in the top 3, yet this still isn't the worst trade that the Kings have made in the last 2 years. I still think that the Philly trade is in the top 5 worst in NBA history and today's events make it look even worse. Let's just go over that trade one more time, Sacremento gave up their unprotected 2018 first round pick, the right to swap picks in 2016 or 2017 and Nik Stauskas so they could dump a few bad contracts in order to sign Rajon Rondo, Marco Bellinelli and Kosta Koufus - and if they had just used the stretch provision on those bad contracts, they could have signed two of the three anyway and not had to give up any assets. That pick they gave to Philly is going to be better than the one they got for Cousins.
3. It just makes me angry/sad that a team worth roughly $1 billion in a league which generates roughly $4 billion in revenue annually, and is a beloved team to a whole city, can be run so incompetently for such a long period of time. They haven't made the playoffs in 10 seasons and are now further away from the post-season than they have ever been before - I mean, Darren Collison is probably their best player now... What really is frustrating though, is that Sam Hinkie played the odds and gave his team the best chance to win a championship using the rules that the NBA has set. But when he does this to to the best of his ability, the league steps in, hires the Colangelo's who basically run him out of town. Yet when the Kings actively destroy their team oh that's fine, there's nothing wrong with that. Smh.
4. THERE'S STILL 3 DAYS UNTIL THE TRADE DEADLINE WHY TRADE HIM NOW YOU HAVE 3 DAYS TO SEE IF THE CELTICS MIGHT CAVE IN AND TRADE THE BROOKLYN PICK OR THE LAKERS COULD PART WITH INGRAM WHAT THE FLOWER ARE YOU DOING SACRAMENTO. There's just major issues in direction and timeline that make zero sense, they traded future assets so they could build around Cousins only 20 months ago - this was when Cousins' trade value was at his highest. Yet now his value is at its lowest (heading into free agency) they decide to trade him. Fair enough that sometimes a franchise can make mistakes in terms of player evaluation or scouting but just dumb, short-sited, impatient decisions like this are unforgivable. They trade him last year and they would have got twice as good of an offer as they got today - heck, maybe they had an offer twice as good as the one from New Orleans already sitting on their desk today but they were too incompetent to realise, remember that this is the same team who didn't know what the stretch provision was.
5. Celtics should have beaten that offer, maybe they did I don't know but Boogie to me is someone worth cashing in all those trade chips for. I hope Ainge has something else in mind, or he was sure that Boogie won't re-sign, but we will see, maybe Boogie character is more toxic than we thought and his value around the league is not very high. Another amusing note is that the Pels have protected the first round pick they're giving up for top 3, and the Nets didn't even protect the pick they traded for Gerald Wallace that turned into Damian Lillard lmao.
What a crazy day.
Jay, I thought it was the 2018 unprotected as well but it's actually the 2019 unprotected pick.
A couple of things I read prior to the trade, the Kings apparently wanted Rozier in whatever deal the Celtics were offering, Ainge wouldn't budge and then the Kings stopped taking their calls when it looked like NO had a deal.
Kings didn't want to pay Cousins $200m after originally committing to it. Part of the reason apparently is Cousins growing foot issues. His weight could be playing a part as he is getting heavier every off-season and refuses to do anything about it. They thought sell now rather then in 12 months time if he had broken down.
More importantly, Trust The Process, Hinkie is the GOAT #HeDiedForOurSins
Quote from: Mat0369 on February 20, 2017, 11:43:39 PM
More importantly, Trust The Process, Hinkie is the GOAT #HeDiedForOurSins
He's literally the only guy who could save the Kings.
And as for Rozier, Ainge should have packed his bags for him if it meant getting Cousins - but I'm not sure how reliable that source is. I heard that Stevens just didn't want Cousins under any scenario, but yeah it's all rumour at this stage and I'm sure more will come out in the next few days.
This is the source on the Rozier part of the deal
https://twitter.com/Nick_Sciria/status/833521243689205760
It was in response to Woj.
While Cousins is talented, he is a head case so it doesn't surprise me Stevens didn't want him. I think they were also looking at trades for Butler and Paul George. George is the guy I would gun for, Butler seems to kill every locker room he is in so that's an interesting scenario.
Hinkie is currently living in Cali so it's not like he would move far for the Kings job. I just hope he doesn't go after JoJo when he lands with a team. The relationship with those two is quite strong.
I think if Philly ends up in the playoffs next season and owners realise that what Hinkie did work they will either look to bring him in or get their own guys to do it.
Quote from: Mat0369 on February 21, 2017, 12:07:44 AM
This is the source on the Rozier part of the deal
https://twitter.com/Nick_Sciria/status/833521243689205760
It was in response to Woj.
While Cousins is talented, he is a head case so it doesn't surprise me Stevens didn't want him. I think they were also looking at trades for Butler and Paul George. George is the guy I would gun for, Butler seems to kill every locker room he is in so that's an interesting scenario.
Hinkie is currently living in Cali so it's not like he would move far for the Kings job. I just hope he doesn't go after JoJo when he lands with a team. The relationship with those two is quite strong.
I think if Philly ends up in the playoffs next season and owners realise that what Hinkie did work they will either look to bring him in or get their own guys to do it.
Suss the comments, the dude is joking (thank flower lol). My guess is that Boston thought that this year's Nets pick was too much to give up, and offered Jaylen or next years Brooklyn pick instead but SAC preferred NO's offer because they overrate Heild.
Whoops, I saw it attached to the Woj tweet, didn't make it that far at work when I saw it today because the tweet was embedded.
The trade sending DeMarcus Cousins and Omri Casspi to the Pelicans in exchange for Buddy Hield, Tyreke Evans, Langston Galloway and some draft picks was finalized on Monday.
"It was time for a change and I decided this was the best direction for the organization, said Vlade Divac. "Winning begins with culture and character matters." Divac went on to half-heartedly thank Cousins for his time in Sacramento and tried to justify the trade by hyping up the draft picks, but the line about"culture" and "character matters" is a pretty obvious shot at Boogie. Both Cousins and Anthony Davis will be sacrificing some touches as they learn to play together, but both of them should still be able to fill up the stat sheet. For what it's worth, Divac also said he had a better offer a couple days ago, so there's that.
Kings owner Vivek Ranadive reportedly believes that Buddy Hield has Stephen Curry potential.
This is the same guy that compared Nik Stauskas to Klay Thompson, was in favor of clearing multiple first-round picks to make room for Rajon Rondo, Marco Belinelli and Kosta Koufos as free agents, and also reportedly wanted to keep Monta Ellis over Stephen Curry during his time as a minority owner of the Dubs, so he's basically 0-for-3 in the hot takes department. Hield should get some more opportunity to produce in Sacramento, but this is a wait-and-see situation in most formats.
I cannot believe some of this shower :o
Crazy that Sacramento could have a starting back court of Dame and Klay, with Giannis and Boogie up front if they drafted better
Yes i get that there pick may have fallen in a different place if they picked them up but i reckon at least Dame and Klay would have been getable
Such a dumpster fire franchise
:'(
Moving beyond the shock of this deal...
How do we all seeing the Boogie/Brow combo panning out, does Boogie resign with NOP or move on in the offseason?
Quote from: RiOtChEsS on February 21, 2017, 11:47:02 AM
Moving beyond the shock of this deal...
How do we all seeing the Boogie/Brow combo panning out, does Boogie resign with NOP or move on in the offseason?
Lets just say I have ALWAYS wanted The Brow to come to the Kings to team up with Boogie. I think they will be amazing. Boogie at the 5, AD at the 4. Good luck stopping that.
No one can stop them now, how the hell are you going to stop them when they are both on the same team. Then add Jrue Holiday as the starting PG, that's a very handy 3.
The only positive I can take is that we have won without Cousins before (we beat the Celtics a couple weeks back)
Quote from: valkorum on February 21, 2017, 11:52:49 AM
Quote from: RiOtChEsS on February 21, 2017, 11:47:02 AM
Moving beyond the shock of this deal...
How do we all seeing the Boogie/Brow combo panning out, does Boogie resign with NOP or move on in the offseason?
Lets just say I have ALWAYS wanted The Brow to come to the Kings to team up with Boogie. I think they will be amazing. Boogie at the 5, AD at the 4. Good luck stopping that.
No one can stop them now, how the hell are you going to stop them when they are both on the same team. Then add Jrue Holiday as the starting PG, that's a very handy 3.
The only positive I can take is that we have won without Cousins before (we beat the Celtics a couple weeks back)
you would imagine it will work well 2 bigs as your stars is tough but pretty much the best 2 big combo you can get. Davis shouldnt be playing centre he is too skilled on the outside and most importantly his body is way too fragile to be banging in the post.
both guys can shoot from mid range with Davis in particular.
great thing is both are decent FT shooters too.
reckon they will take some time on defence though as Davis the better shot blocker but Cousins has the better body to play the rim protector.
Im very very happy for Davis finally we can see him shine. I would like to see him play PF/SF.
not sure if they would be able to do it but i would love for them to fit in Haywood next year. i rate Jrue if he can stay healthy.
I rate Jrue coming home to Philly. The one thing that came out of the discussions is Jrue knows Philly want him back. It will be interesting to see what he does in the off-season. With his wife's health issues I see him wanting to settle somewhere long term.
Pels have absolutely no guard/wing depth..
Holiday, Frazier
Moore
Casspi, Cunningham, Hill (All more of a 4 than a 3), Pondexter hasn't played since 2015.
Casspi is a SF and only plays PF if you are going for small ball. He is very under-rated for his 3pt shooting. His mid range is terrible and so is his free throw shooting (50-60%) but he is able to get to the rim and finishes quite well. He is an average defender.
Basically he is the perfect guy to come off the bench to take backup minutes in the SF position. He is the kind of guy that can go for 8 -10 points, 4-5 rebounds every game.
14-15
3PT % .402
FG% .489
15-16
3PT % .409
FG% .481
16-17
3PT % .379
FG% .453
Apparently the Pels are shopping Terence Jones, that may balance up the roster...
I'm not certain it will gel this year, numbers wise they will both dip 10% across the board but still be productive, i'm more leaning towards will Boogie want to stay there long term, i think Jrue and The Brow both have the right personalities to let Boogie be Boogie but how he processes getting traded and how the fit and team goes from here will be massive, he bottles a lot of things up and then explodes...
http://www.espn.com.au/nba/story/_/id/18723235/nba-explaining-demarcus-cousins-deal
Essentially this trade has cost Boogie 30mil
Source: Jeff Goodman ESPN
"There were no better deals out there, having spoken to GM's, there was no bidding war, they were worried nobody can coach him"
So I had to avoid this thread until I'd caught up on all the ASW events and stuff. Here are my thoughts on everything.
1. Rookie/Soph game was alright but lacked those cool moments of players going 1on1 with each other.
2. Skills challenge was probably the most fun bit of Saturday night. Porzingis winning for the bigs made it two years in a row of good fun.
3. No Curry and Klay flopping really hurt the 3 Point Contest. Overtime was a nice touch but they were both so pooped.
4. Dunk contest sucked.
5. All Star Game was horrible. Play just a little bit of D please! Only player I respected was Giannis because he was at least going for a few steals and stuff. AD's record needs a little asterisk because 52 points on a bloody layup/alley opp drill shouldn't count.
6. OMG what the hell Kings?! Worst trade I've seen in a long time. Casspi is better than anyone the Pels gave up and then there's that guy called Cousins involved too. Holy moly.
7. If the Pels make the 8th seed, they probably won't beat the Warriors BUT the Cousins/AD combo will wear them out physically. Huge advantage for San Antonio, Houston, and Cleveland if the Kings take the Dubs to 6 games and play super physical.
The Rockets are not flowerin around
The Lakers are sending Lou Williams to the Rockets in exchange for Corey Brewer and a first-round pick.
He was fully expected to be moved before the deadline with several teams expressing interest. Williams will have the green light in Houston and the Rockets attempt the most 3-pointers in the NBA
Quote from: RiOtChEsS on February 22, 2017, 12:53:50 PM
The Rockets are not flowerin around
The Lakers are sending Lou Williams to the Rockets in exchange for Corey Brewer and a first-round pick.
He was fully expected to be moved before the deadline with several teams expressing interest. Williams will have the green light in Houston and the Rockets attempt the most 3-pointers in the NBA
Wanted a better pick for Lou, tbh, but can't really complain about a first rounder.
Quote from: LaHug on February 22, 2017, 01:03:12 PM
Quote from: RiOtChEsS on February 22, 2017, 12:53:50 PM
The Rockets are not flowerin around
The Lakers are sending Lou Williams to the Rockets in exchange for Corey Brewer and a first-round pick.
He was fully expected to be moved before the deadline with several teams expressing interest. Williams will have the green light in Houston and the Rockets attempt the most 3-pointers in the NBA
Wanted a better pick for Lou, tbh, but can't really complain about a first rounder.
Magic will do a great job turning the team around.
losing williams is great for their tank effort you would think they should finish bottom 3 comfortably now which puts them at almost 50% of getting a top 3 pick and 15.6% of the number 1.
Yeah that's a good trade for the Lakers. The Houston pick migjt8not be great but they will want to tank is this year so the pick doesn't convey to Philly in a deep draft and then they only owe the Magic seconds instead of another first.
Wizards are after Shabazz Muhammad and The Jazz want Deron Williams to back up George Hill
That fan reaction is going to be hilarious if they get Williams.
I wouldn't put that on Magic doing a great job. Mitch was already shipping Lou for the same reasons - get a first and help the tank. Rumours were Washington (which would be a slight better pick) or Utah (same) before the front office blew up. I'm not saying either of those deals were necessarily going to go through but I think we have to wait a while to see if getting rid of Mitch was a good move (or at least not a bad move).
Duuuuude, Kupcrap is a jabroni, Magic is an upgrade even if he is putting in Phil Jackson hours
Quote from: RiOtChEsS on February 22, 2017, 02:12:46 PM
Duuuuude, Kupcrap is a jabroni, Magic is an upgrade even if he is putting in Phil Jackson hours
Not the greatest history of people like Magic jumping into these roles out of nowhere.
Although i guess he can't be worse than he was as a coach, that said he thought the bulls having rondo wade and butler was a good thing
Quote from: RiOtChEsS on February 22, 2017, 02:12:46 PM
Duuuuude, Kupcrap is a jabroni, Magic is an upgrade even if he is putting in Phil Jackson hours
Traded for Pau Gasol, Chris Paul (not his fault it was vetoed), Dwight Howard & Steve Nash (can't blame him for Dame Lillard destroying Nash with a freak break and nerve injury). Drafted Clarkson, Nance, and Zubac all in the second round (as well as obvious first round picks of Randle, Russell, and Ingram). He's orchestrated the beginning of what looks like a very good rebuild and then he's shown the door.
How the hell can you have bad things to say about Mitch outside of overpaying free agents during a period where nobody wanted to go to LA?
Apparently Magic was working the phones on this deal. So good effort, it's a decent trade
Quote from: LaHug on February 22, 2017, 02:28:36 PM
How the hell can you have bad things to say about Mitch outside of overpaying free agents during a period where nobody wanted to go to LA?
I am hearing that because he didnt get a deal done for DMC didnt help his case.
This is speculation at this point but
The Celtics have started following Melo on Twitter and Instagram
Jae Crowder has removed his Celtics cover photo
Isaiah Thomas tweeted "0.0"
Quote from: valkorum on February 22, 2017, 02:55:15 PM
Quote from: LaHug on February 22, 2017, 02:28:36 PM
How the hell can you have bad things to say about Mitch outside of overpaying free agents during a period where nobody wanted to go to LA?
I am hearing that because he didnt get a deal done for DMC didnt help his case.
I heard the same but it was something like the Kings wanting Randle, Clarkson, and Ingram. We do that and two things happen.
1. We win a few more games this season from DMC alone and lose our pick in the process.
2. We're no better than the Kings were with Cousins (probably worse) and he walks when his contract is up.
Not trading for Cousins was the right move and if Mitch had to take a bullet to stop that from happening, I respect him even more.
Quote from: LaHug on February 22, 2017, 01:48:41 PM
I wouldn't put that on Magic doing a great job. Mitch was already shipping Lou for the same reasons - get a first and help the tank. Rumours were Washington (which would be a slight better pick) or Utah (same) before the front office blew up. I'm not saying either of those deals were necessarily going to go through but I think we have to wait a while to see if getting rid of Mitch was a good move (or at least not a bad move).
regardless if he did it or not im sure he wont stuff up the pick like Mitch would have.
Quote from: Holz on February 22, 2017, 03:12:19 PM
Quote from: LaHug on February 22, 2017, 01:48:41 PM
I wouldn't put that on Magic doing a great job. Mitch was already shipping Lou for the same reasons - get a first and help the tank. Rumours were Washington (which would be a slight better pick) or Utah (same) before the front office blew up. I'm not saying either of those deals were necessarily going to go through but I think we have to wait a while to see if getting rid of Mitch was a good move (or at least not a bad move).
regardless if he did it or not im sure he wont stuff up the pick like Mitch would have.
Three years in a row, Mitch has picked well in both the 1st and 2nd round. What are you on about stuffing up picks??
Quote from: LaHug on February 22, 2017, 02:28:36 PM
Quote from: RiOtChEsS on February 22, 2017, 02:12:46 PM
Duuuuude, Kupcrap is a jabroni, Magic is an upgrade even if he is putting in Phil Jackson hours
Traded for Pau Gasol, Chris Paul (not his fault it was vetoed), Dwight Howard & Steve Nash (can't blame him for Dame Lillard destroying Nash with a freak break and nerve injury). Drafted Clarkson, Nance, and Zubac all in the second round (as well as obvious first round picks of Randle, Russell, and Ingram). He's orchestrated the beginning of what looks like a very good rebuild and then he's shown the door.
How the hell can you have bad things to say about Mitch outside of overpaying free agents during a period where nobody wanted to go to LA?
How about we just throw out there he gave Kobe 30m a year when basically nobody else was even getting 20m a year, what about the inability to land a single big name FA at any time when you are pitching the LA Lakers, one of the most storied franchises in the history of basketball...
Quote from: LaHug on February 22, 2017, 03:19:30 PM
Quote from: Holz on February 22, 2017, 03:12:19 PM
Quote from: LaHug on February 22, 2017, 01:48:41 PM
I wouldn't put that on Magic doing a great job. Mitch was already shipping Lou for the same reasons - get a first and help the tank. Rumours were Washington (which would be a slight better pick) or Utah (same) before the front office blew up. I'm not saying either of those deals were necessarily going to go through but I think we have to wait a while to see if getting rid of Mitch was a good move (or at least not a bad move).
regardless if he did it or not im sure he wont stuff up the pick like Mitch would have.
Three years in a row, Mitch has picked well in both the 1st and 2nd round. What are you on about stuffing up picks??
Ingram was a consensus top 2 so no credit for taking him.
Dont like the Russel pick at all, would have gone Okafor (who would have ended up better) or punted on Kristap.
Randall is a okish pick
i worded what i meant to say poorly though. He has drafted ok but i think he is ruining the development of his picks and also the team just doesn't fit together.
but the biggest issue is attracting free agents, you cant have a bunch of talented young guys who dont fit together.
They have to get a star and then pick up other guys in free agency to join. its LA it shouldnt be too hard if it was detriot or something i would understand.
This was the dunk that Aaron Gordon was attempting to do at the Dunk Contest.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cilqmNV9Bg0
Andre Drummond also on the move, changing twitter avatar?
This deal looks done
Quote from: R.Griffen on February 22, 2017, 05:34:18 PM
Andre Drummond also on the move, changing twitter avatar?
This deal looks done
Celtics?
Magic will probably be bad given the history of great players that go into a GM role (see: Bird, Isiah). But if there are people surrounding him who know the CBA inside and out, have an understanding of analytics etc. then having him as the figure head will probably be a good thing for the Lakers.
Certainly got a pretty good return for Lou Williams, who although is having a really good season, he is a niche player and you basically have to change your whole bench system to 'give the ball to Lou and get out of the way' if you bring him in.
The Kings at one point had Boogie Cousins, Isaiah Thomas, and Hassan Whiteside on their roster all at the same time.
Now they don't have any of the 3
Quote from: Mat0369 on February 22, 2017, 08:40:19 PM
The Kings at one point had Boogie Cousins, Isaiah Thomas, and Hassan Whiteside on their roster all at the same time.
Now they don't have any of the 3
To be fair Whiteside was flowering terrible while with us. Was useless in D-League too. He had to go to China to get better and even he has admitted that.
I still can't believe we got rid of the original Pizza Guy Isaiah Thomas. If I remember correctly the reasoning was he was too small.
I am not upset about trading DMC, I am extremely upset that we got less than a bag of chips in return for him.
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Quote from: Mat0369 on February 22, 2017, 08:40:19 PM
The Kings at one point had Boogie Cousins, Isaiah Thomas, and Hassan Whiteside on their roster all at the same time.
Now they don't have any of the 3
To be fair Whiteside was flowering terrible while with us. Was useless in D-League too. He had to go to China to get better and even he has admitted that.
I still can't believe we got rid of the original Pizza Guy Isaiah Thomas. If I remember correctly the reasoning was he was too small.
I am not upset about trading DMC, I am extremely upset that we got less than a bag of chips in return for him.
you could tell IT was gonna be an upper echelon scorer with more minutes in SAC, was drafting/holding him in fantasy then they traded him to PHX and he got stuck behind Bledsoe and Knight ::) was a frustrating couple years watching IT because you knew he was a gem in the right situation
Sixers trading Ersan :(
Quote from: Mat0369 on February 23, 2017, 12:40:42 PM
Sixers trading Ersan :(
The 76ers are finalizing a trade that will send Ersan Ilyasova to Atlanta in exchange for Tiago Splitter and two second-round picks, according to Adrian Wojnarowski.
The Sixers are expected to receive one second-round pick, while swapping another one.
Quote from: RiOtChEsS on February 23, 2017, 01:13:10 PM
Quote from: Mat0369 on February 23, 2017, 12:40:42 PM
Sixers trading Ersan :(
The 76ers are finalizing a trade that will send Ersan Ilyasova to Atlanta in exchange for Tiago Splitter and two second-round picks, according to Adrian Wojnarowski.
The Sixers are expected to receive one second-round pick, while swapping another one.
must be waving him.
hopefully they are making a huge splash for Paul George.
Simmons Saric George Embiid would love that combo
Quote from: Holz on February 23, 2017, 01:20:54 PM
Quote from: RiOtChEsS on February 23, 2017, 01:13:10 PM
Quote from: Mat0369 on February 23, 2017, 12:40:42 PM
Sixers trading Ersan :(
The 76ers are finalizing a trade that will send Ersan Ilyasova to Atlanta in exchange for Tiago Splitter and two second-round picks, according to Adrian Wojnarowski.
The Sixers are expected to receive one second-round pick, while swapping another one.
must be waving him.
hopefully they are making a huge splash for Paul George.
Simmons Saric George Embiid would love that combo
PG13 was born and schooled in LA
George was born on May 2, 1990 in Palmdale, California, and is the son of Paul George Sr. and Paulette George.[1][2] He grew up with two older sisters: Teiosha, who played basketball at Pepperdine, and Portala, who played volleyball at CSU-San Bernardino.[1] Although George idolized Lakers star Kobe Bryant,[3] he grew up rooting for the Los Angeles Clippers.
Quote from: Holz on February 23, 2017, 01:20:54 PM
Quote from: RiOtChEsS on February 23, 2017, 01:13:10 PM
Quote from: Mat0369 on February 23, 2017, 12:40:42 PM
Sixers trading Ersan :(
The 76ers are finalizing a trade that will send Ersan Ilyasova to Atlanta in exchange for Tiago Splitter and two second-round picks, according to Adrian Wojnarowski.
The Sixers are expected to receive one second-round pick, while swapping another one.
must be waving him.
hopefully they are making a huge splash for Paul George.
Simmons Saric George Embiid would love that combo
Who is shooting in that line up? Saric and George bith super streaky and I'm a pacers fan.
If we can't get him help I reckon we will flip him to avoid walking for free, which will be beyond upsetting.
Kings could have had Klay/Dame and boogie at once with better lottery picks, you could float Giannis too but i thin kwith those three they are too low in Giannis year to get him.
They needed shooting and defence on wings and they took Jimmer over Klay and Kawhi
Quote from: killerbees on February 23, 2017, 05:15:01 PM
Quote from: Holz on February 23, 2017, 01:20:54 PM
Quote from: RiOtChEsS on February 23, 2017, 01:13:10 PM
Quote from: Mat0369 on February 23, 2017, 12:40:42 PM
Sixers trading Ersan :(
The 76ers are finalizing a trade that will send Ersan Ilyasova to Atlanta in exchange for Tiago Splitter and two second-round picks, according to Adrian Wojnarowski.
The Sixers are expected to receive one second-round pick, while swapping another one.
must be waving him.
hopefully they are making a huge splash for Paul George.
Simmons Saric George Embiid would love that combo
Who is shooting in that line up? Saric and George bith super streaky and I'm a pacers fan.
If we can't get him help I reckon we will flip him to avoid walking for free, which will be beyond upsetting.
Kings could have had Klay/Dame and boogie at once with better lottery picks, you could float Giannis too but i thin kwith those three they are too low in Giannis year to get him.
They needed shooting and defence on wings and they took Jimmer over Klay and Kawhi
the free agents who come for a ring.
Quote from: Holz on February 23, 2017, 05:22:28 PM
Quote from: killerbees on February 23, 2017, 05:15:01 PM
Quote from: Holz on February 23, 2017, 01:20:54 PM
Quote from: RiOtChEsS on February 23, 2017, 01:13:10 PM
Quote from: Mat0369 on February 23, 2017, 12:40:42 PM
Sixers trading Ersan :(
The 76ers are finalizing a trade that will send Ersan Ilyasova to Atlanta in exchange for Tiago Splitter and two second-round picks, according to Adrian Wojnarowski.
The Sixers are expected to receive one second-round pick, while swapping another one.
must be waving him.
hopefully they are making a huge splash for Paul George.
Simmons Saric George Embiid would love that combo
Who is shooting in that line up? Saric and George bith super streaky and I'm a pacers fan.
If we can't get him help I reckon we will flip him to avoid walking for free, which will be beyond upsetting.
Kings could have had Klay/Dame and boogie at once with better lottery picks, you could float Giannis too but i thin kwith those three they are too low in Giannis year to get him.
They needed shooting and defence on wings and they took Jimmer over Klay and Kawhi
the free agents who come for a ring.
You getting ready to jump on another bandwagon?
Quote from: killerbees on February 23, 2017, 05:15:01 PM
Kings could have had Klay/Dame and boogie at once with better lottery picks, you could float Giannis too but i thin kwith those three they are too low in Giannis year to get him.
They needed shooting and defence on wings and they took Jimmer over Klay and Kawhi
To be fair, Jimmer was a lights out shooter in College and still is (70'odd in China league game the other day). His defence was just horrible and was found out big time in the NBA.
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on February 23, 2017, 05:38:49 PM
Quote from: Holz on February 23, 2017, 05:22:28 PM
Quote from: killerbees on February 23, 2017, 05:15:01 PM
Quote from: Holz on February 23, 2017, 01:20:54 PM
Quote from: RiOtChEsS on February 23, 2017, 01:13:10 PM
Quote from: Mat0369 on February 23, 2017, 12:40:42 PM
Sixers trading Ersan :(
The 76ers are finalizing a trade that will send Ersan Ilyasova to Atlanta in exchange for Tiago Splitter and two second-round picks, according to Adrian Wojnarowski.
The Sixers are expected to receive one second-round pick, while swapping another one.
must be waving him.
hopefully they are making a huge splash for Paul George.
Simmons Saric George Embiid would love that combo
Who is shooting in that line up? Saric and George bith super streaky and I'm a pacers fan.
If we can't get him help I reckon we will flip him to avoid walking for free, which will be beyond upsetting.
Kings could have had Klay/Dame and boogie at once with better lottery picks, you could float Giannis too but i thin kwith those three they are too low in Giannis year to get him.
They needed shooting and defence on wings and they took Jimmer over Klay and Kawhi
the free agents who come for a ring.
You getting ready to jump on another bandwagon?
the reason why philly is in a position to attract the free agents is that embiid and simmons etc will be a low contracts allowing for others to get paid. Like the warriros have done with curry on a low wage. They have the 4th most cap space of any team.
I dont think they are relevant for another 2-3years time even with George but they are probably good enouugh to make it to the second round in the east. The east will be wide open when Lebron starts to decline which i think is 3 years, he will still be top 5 he just wont be Lebron.
The other reason that Philly can attract free agents is that, even though they went through a huge rebuild, they're one of the biggest markets in America behind New York and LA.
Quote from: killerbees on February 23, 2017, 05:15:01 PM
Who is shooting in that line up? Saric and George bith super streaky and I'm a pacers fan.
If we can't get him help I reckon we will flip him to avoid walking for free, which will be beyond upsetting.
Kings could have had Klay/Dame and boogie at once with better lottery picks, you could float Giannis too but i thin kwith those three they are too low in Giannis year to get him.
They needed shooting and defence on wings and they took Jimmer over Klay and Kawhi
That would be the core, you don't have them on the court at the same time. The thing is you have guys like Sauce, Henderson and Bayless coming off the bench as spot up shooters. I wouldn't be surprised if they draft Monk purely for his shooting ability in this upcoming draft for floor spacing. This team is going to be interesting depending who they draft with their length and defensive ability. RoCo and Embiid are two of the best defensive players in their positions. Teams are going to struggle to score.
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on February 23, 2017, 05:38:49 PM
You getting ready to jump on another bandwagon?
Team's full, if you didn't TTP get the F out.
Quote from: LaHug on February 23, 2017, 07:40:26 PM
The other reason that Philly can attract free agents is that, even though they went through a huge rebuild, they're one of the biggest markets in America behind New York and LA.
This is what pissed the other owners off about Hinkie, Philly are a big market team
It also helps when you have Embiid, Simmons and a 5 star resort for a training facility.
Jah trade is about to go down. Philly have asked about Jimmy Butler as part of a potential deal but the Bulls are adamant he isn't up for trade. They have asked about KCP in Detroit and I am expecting BC to have asked about Paul George as well. KCP is probably the best pure fit due to need but George is the guy I would want the most. They're an instant threat with the core they have.
I honestly think you should trade Jah, the Lakers pick, and something else for Butler (might need to trade your own 2018 pick or something but your 2017 one would be what Chicago really pushes for). Worth losing the picks to get a true star and really push for success next season. Just my thoughts.
I don't like Butler for a couple of different reasons. Everyone seems to be having issues with him in the locker room. The Bulls have already overhauled their roster once, they are about to do it again partly because of this. Considering the 6'ers are pretty tight off the court I don't want to jeopardize that.
He also isn't a fantastic 3pt shooter so he doesn't provide floor spacing. He is a great player, but if I had to pick one of him or Paul George I'm going Paul George every time.
Nah leave PG alone hes staying in Indy >:(
Quote from: Mat0369 on February 23, 2017, 10:42:16 PM
I don't like Butler for a couple of different reasons. Everyone seems to be having issues with him in the locker room. The Bulls have already overhauled their roster once, they are about to do it again partly because of this. Considering the 6'ers are pretty tight off the court I don't want to jeopardize that.
He also isn't a fantastic 3pt shooter so he doesn't provide floor spacing. He is a great player, but if I had to pick one of him or Paul George I'm going Paul George every time.
yep, he is gonna chew up Simmons eventual usage too, he has a Wade type game, a lot of iso ball
Quote from: Mat0369 on February 23, 2017, 10:42:16 PM
I don't like Butler for a couple of different reasons. Everyone seems to be having issues with him in the locker room. The Bulls have already overhauled their roster once, they are about to do it again partly because of this. Considering the 6'ers are pretty tight off the court I don't want to jeopardize that.
He also isn't a fantastic 3pt shooter so he doesn't provide floor spacing. He is a great player, but if I had to pick one of him or Paul George I'm going Paul George every time.
If you want a worse player than sure. George as a star is the worst narative since LeBron isn't clutch. He played well in 3 games in the playoffs.
Quote from: Andrew3747 on February 24, 2017, 12:32:33 AM
Quote from: Mat0369 on February 23, 2017, 10:42:16 PM
I don't like Butler for a couple of different reasons. Everyone seems to be having issues with him in the locker room. The Bulls have already overhauled their roster once, they are about to do it again partly because of this. Considering the 6'ers are pretty tight off the court I don't want to jeopardize that.
He also isn't a fantastic 3pt shooter so he doesn't provide floor spacing. He is a great player, but if I had to pick one of him or Paul George I'm going Paul George every time.
If you want a worse player than sure. George as a star is the worst narative since LeBron isn't clutch. He played well in 3 games in the playoffs.
I dont understand how you know absolutely everything about basketball, but arent an NBA GM?
Instead of making insults, would love for you to show me otherwise.
Quote from: Andrew3747 on February 24, 2017, 01:04:59 AM
Instead of making insults, would love for you to show me otherwise.
4 time All star
3 time All NBA
3 time All defensive
Decided by people with much more credentials then you.
Yeah, Zaza is an all star so yeahhh.
18.7 PER on 57% TS with .099 WS. for instance Butler has 25.6 PER, 59% TS, .236 WS.
Like I said, they are voted by the media, which is why I said is the worst media narrative. The same people put Drose ahead of LeBron in 2011. If you want to believe media representation than sure. However if you want to deal in facts and figures, than PG13 isn't a star player.
Biggest fleecing of the day was OKC getting Taj and McDermott for Payne. Not sure why the Celtics didn't go after Taj, he would certainly help us and we could've offered more than OKC did.
I'm fine with not improving our team this year because unlike Toronto we have young talent and don't need to give up assets just to lose in 6 rather than 5 to Cleveland, but Horford isn't getting any younger and Isaiah + Avery are coming close to a pay day - need to be careful of not getting stuck in the middle.
Noel to Dallas for Bogut, Anderson and a 1st rounder, 76'ers stackin them assets
Quote from: RiOtChEsS on February 24, 2017, 09:35:01 AM
Noel to Dallas for Bogut, Anderson and a 1st rounder, 76'ers stackin them assets
That trade is terrible. It's 1-18 protected so they traded Noel for 2 seconds. I miss Hinkie
Quote from: Andrew3747 on February 24, 2017, 01:27:22 AM
Yeah, Zaza is an all star so yeahhh.
Except that he's not and never has been... Kinda hurting your argument by spouting that stuff. (And I'm not taking sides, just think facts should actually be facts.)
Quote from: Mat0369 on February 24, 2017, 09:54:22 AM
Quote from: RiOtChEsS on February 24, 2017, 09:35:01 AM
Noel to Dallas for Bogut, Anderson and a 1st rounder, 76'ers stackin them assets
That trade is terrible. It's 1-18 protected so they traded Noel for 2 seconds. I miss Hinkie
Yeah, awful trade for Philly. Could have got as much for Okafor which would have been much better. BC has no idea.
It's because they likely don't want to match the near max offer sheet he will receive to be a backup center. It feels like Colangelo panicked. The thing is they could have matched the offer and traded him later considering when guys like Dario, Simmons and Embiid will need to get paid.
I saw a tweet that summed it up perfectly. Hinkie was ridiculed for turning bad players into 2nd round picks. Colangelo is turning good players into 2nd round picks.
Quote from: Mat0369 on February 24, 2017, 09:54:22 AM
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Noel to Dallas for Bogut, Anderson and a 1st rounder, 76'ers stackin them assets
That trade is terrible. It's 1-18 protected so they traded Noel for 2 seconds. I miss Hinkie
Hinkie must be really frustrated at the moment did all the good work and its being undone.
there is another way to look at it though. It does solve their 3 big problem maybe they will try and make Embiid and Jah work.
Jah is going to get traded in the off-season as well. They can't play together and Jah's lack of defensive ability will kill the 2nd unit. The plan is to go with Embiid and have Holmes back him up.
How bad must the offers been for Jah that two 2nds got the deal done for Noel....
Quote from: LaHug on February 24, 2017, 09:56:59 AM
Quote from: Andrew3747 on February 24, 2017, 01:27:22 AM
Yeah, Zaza is an all star so yeahhh.
Except that he's not and never has been... Kinda hurting your argument by spouting that stuff. (And I'm not taking sides, just think facts should actually be facts.)
He was first in votes for centres. Kind of screws up the "well he is an all star" thing. Iverson was an all star too when he played like 6 mins for 5 games.
Quote from: Andrew3747 on February 24, 2017, 10:54:04 AM
Quote from: LaHug on February 24, 2017, 09:56:59 AM
Quote from: Andrew3747 on February 24, 2017, 01:27:22 AM
Yeah, Zaza is an all star so yeahhh.
Except that he's not and never has been... Kinda hurting your argument by spouting that stuff. (And I'm not taking sides, just think facts should actually be facts.)
He was first in votes for centres. Kind of screws up the "well he is an all star" thing. Iverson was an all star too when he played like 6 mins for 5 games.
Its a ridiculous argument. George is clearly a good player. he is 3 time all NBA and 3 time all defensive NBA. they dont put scrubs on that list.
he clearly was good in 2014 when they got the number 1 seed over Lebron and Co and took the ECF to a 6 game series.
he hasnt got back to that elite level.
bascially on a bad team i want butler to carry and he is 1 on 1 the better player. If i have stars already and i just want a guy to fill a role then i go for george.
Can you show me where and how he was @ an elite level? Stats say no, eye test say no. He would be a great role player on a championship team I agree, but he will never be the best player on a ring winning team. Like I said, he played a great series vs LeBron and vs Toronto, but thats it and people act like he is the 2nd best player in the east.
I don't know how but this thread is unbearable now with all the irrelevant arguments
Quote from: plumdog millionaire on February 24, 2017, 11:55:22 AM
I don't know how but this thread is unbearable now with all the irrelevant arguments
nothing much has happend, All star was a yawn fest.
I reckon its abit of a reflection of the NBA at the moment the regular season is the worst it has been.
Rumors are the 76ers will cut Bogut and he may make his way to Cavs with Dwill after the Mavs bought his contract out...
Quote from: Mat0369 on February 24, 2017, 09:54:22 AM
Quote from: RiOtChEsS on February 24, 2017, 09:35:01 AM
Noel to Dallas for Bogut, Anderson and a 1st rounder, 76'ers stackin them assets
That trade is terrible. It's 1-18 protected so they traded Noel for 2 seconds. I miss Hinkie
damn that was left out of the article i read, that actually looks good for the Mavs, Noel has good upside in a starting role
They wanted Bogut as an expiring to deal to a team with Jah. 6'ers now also have to cut someone to aquire Bogut before cutting him. My guess is Splitter.
I like the update on Colangelo's wiki page.
If the Cavs get Dwill and Bogut, it's gonna improve their bench play, flexibility and lighten the minutes load on LBJ and Kyrie
QuoteBryan Paul Colangelo (born June 1, 1965)[1] is an incompetent American basketball executive and currently is the president of basketball operations and general manager of the Philadelphia 76ers of the National Basketball Association (NBA)
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Also said that he got his job with Philly through nepotism further down (just had a look).
Lou Will with a lazy 29 on 7 trips in his Rockets debut
Quote from: LaHug on February 24, 2017, 01:39:36 PM
Also said that he got his job with Philly through nepotism further down (just had a look).
Both statements are factually correct
Simmons out for the season. Apparently it's not healing due to a lack of bloodflow and he will require a second surgery.
Tank, tank, tankadelphia
Kings win without Cousins. Willy Cauley-Stein goes off for career high 29pts 10reb. Buddy Hield drops in 16
Quote from: plumdog millionaire on February 24, 2017, 11:55:22 AM
I don't know how but this thread is unbearable now with all the irrelevant arguments
It is pretty ridiculous.
Quote from: Holz on February 24, 2017, 11:19:49 AM
Quote from: Andrew3747 on February 24, 2017, 10:54:04 AM
Quote from: LaHug on February 24, 2017, 09:56:59 AM
Quote from: Andrew3747 on February 24, 2017, 01:27:22 AM
Yeah, Zaza is an all star so yeahhh.
Except that he's not and never has been... Kinda hurting your argument by spouting that stuff. (And I'm not taking sides, just think facts should actually be facts.)
He was first in votes for centres. Kind of screws up the "well he is an all star" thing. Iverson was an all star too when he played like 6 mins for 5 games.
Its a ridiculous argument. George is clearly a good player. he is 3 time all NBA and 3 time all defensive NBA. they dont put scrubs on that list.
he clearly was good in 2014 when they got the number 1 seed over Lebron and Co and took the ECF to a 6 game series.
he hasnt got back to that elite level.
bascially on a bad team i want butler to carry and he is 1 on 1 the better player. If i have stars already and i just want a guy to fill a role then i go for george.
Holz is right. Butler is probably a better player than George in a vacuum, but George would be the better fit for Boston. Butler needs the ball in his hands all the time, which is a dodgy fit next to Isaiah. I think Butler only shooting just over 30% on threes for his career would be an issue. Whereas George is a better shooter, and could fit in right away as that secondary offensive option while being able to slide down to the PF too.
But anyway, George or Butler was a pipe dream. I'm still salty that Taj Gibson was sold for peanuts and we didn't get him smh.
CT scan showed a fracture but unclear as to whether it’s new or old
And officially done
Shaq Vs Javale Bum Mcgee twitter beef ;D
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C5a0NhUWQAA_pa6.jpg)
Except Paul George has more usage and more possesions than Butler....
Casspi to be waived as he has a broken thumb
Quote from: Jay on February 24, 2017, 11:04:04 PM
Quote from: plumdog millionaire on February 24, 2017, 11:55:22 AM
I don't know how but this thread is unbearable now with all the irrelevant arguments
It is pretty ridiculous.
Until a certain someone decides to leave its a joke atm
lel. nice subjectivity. Not my fault you can't get simple facts correct
Quote from: Andrew3747 on February 26, 2017, 11:04:39 AM
lel. nice subjectivity. Not my fault you can't get simple facts correct
Not sure if Lonzo Balls father or Andrew
KAT an Wiggins love no LaVine
Quote from: R.Griffen on February 26, 2017, 11:11:59 PM
Quote from: Andrew3747 on February 26, 2017, 11:04:39 AM
lel. nice subjectivity. Not my fault you can't get simple facts correct
Not sure if Lonzo Balls father or Andrew
Please refrain from comparing anyone on this forum to LaVar Ball. It's too harsh.
But seriously, poor Lonzo. Must be shower having a parent that makes you look bad before you're even in the league. Also, has anyone actually watched the kid play? Ugliest jump shot I've seen since Noah but it somehow goes in?! :o
Quote from: LaHug on February 27, 2017, 09:40:22 AM
Quote from: R.Griffen on February 26, 2017, 11:11:59 PM
Quote from: Andrew3747 on February 26, 2017, 11:04:39 AM
lel. nice subjectivity. Not my fault you can't get simple facts correct
Not sure if Lonzo Balls father or Andrew
Please refrain from comparing anyone on this forum to LaVar Ball. It's too harsh.
But seriously, poor Lonzo. Must be shower having a parent that makes you look bad before you're even in the league. Also, has anyone actually watched the kid play? Ugliest jump shot I've seen since Noah but it somehow goes in?! :o
Simmons and Co were discussing if that jump shot is going to be a problem, the way he pauses and hitches it and whether it allows defenders in the pros to shut him down, consensus was maybe, but you can probably work the hitch out
Quote from: LaHug on February 27, 2017, 09:40:22 AM
Quote from: R.Griffen on February 26, 2017, 11:11:59 PM
Quote from: Andrew3747 on February 26, 2017, 11:04:39 AM
lel. nice subjectivity. Not my fault you can't get simple facts correct
Not sure if Lonzo Balls father or Andrew
Please refrain from comparing anyone on this forum to LaVar Ball. It's too harsh.
But seriously, poor Lonzo. Must be shower having a parent that makes you look bad before you're even in the league. Also, has anyone actually watched the kid play? Ugliest jump shot I've seen since Noah but it somehow goes in?! :o
The jump shot looks so bad but pretty effective. I do think he has some help playing at UCLA who are stacked with 3 point shooters and 2 brilliant big men. Still an amazing talent and his size just makes him better. I don't want people to fail once making the NBA but just imagine if he didn't live up to the hype. LaVar will be locking himself in a basement and we won't hear from him again
I want him to either a) Come to the Lakers and be amazing or b) Go somewhere else and not be amazing. I have a slight bias though...
Quote from: LaHug on February 27, 2017, 11:51:13 AM
I want him to either a) Come to the Lakers and be amazing or b) Go somewhere else and not be amazing. I have a slight bias though...
Clippers fan?
Quote from: LaHug on February 27, 2017, 11:51:13 AM
I want him to either a) Come to the Lakers and be amazing or b) Go somewhere else and not be amazing. I have a slight bias though...
I want him to play 4 years of college ball because I love and watch more college then NBA. No chance of that happening though
Quote from: R.Griffen on February 27, 2017, 11:35:26 AM
Quote from: LaHug on February 27, 2017, 09:40:22 AM
Quote from: R.Griffen on February 26, 2017, 11:11:59 PM
Quote from: Andrew3747 on February 26, 2017, 11:04:39 AM
lel. nice subjectivity. Not my fault you can't get simple facts correct
Not sure if Lonzo Balls father or Andrew
Please refrain from comparing anyone on this forum to LaVar Ball. It's too harsh.
But seriously, poor Lonzo. Must be shower having a parent that makes you look bad before you're even in the league. Also, has anyone actually watched the kid play? Ugliest jump shot I've seen since Noah but it somehow goes in?! :o
The jump shot looks so bad but pretty effective. I do think he has some help playing at UCLA who are stacked with 3 point shooters and 2 brilliant big men. Still an amazing talent and his size just makes him better. I don't want people to fail once making the NBA but just imagine if he didn't live up to the hype. LaVar will be locking himself in a basement and we won't hear from him again
Well if Lonzo fails he's still got two other sons to jump on haha
Cavs to add Deron and Bogut, man that team is stacked now with depth. All credit to Griffin for making so many savvy trades.
Deron
Shump, Korver, RJ, Williams
Bogut, Frye
Yes they got lucky with some high end buyout guys but that's why you have to be smart building a team, so you can reap those rewards - Just like the Warriors getting West and Zaza on the cheap. Looking forward to another awesome finals matchup
Quote from: plumdog millionaire on February 27, 2017, 06:45:02 PM
Cavs to add Deron and Bogut, man that team is stacked now with depth. All credit to Griffin for making so many savvy trades.
Deron
Shump, Korver, RJ, Williams
Bogut, Frye
Yes they got lucky with some high end buyout guys but that's why you have to be smart building a team, so you can reap those rewards - Just like the Warriors getting West and Zaza on the cheap. Looking forward to another awesome finals matchup
I like the bogut pick, Deron is trash and not sure how he will fit without the ball in hands, he could work up nice two man game with Tristan as he is still good running pnr, i guess the real benefit is in them being able to rest lebron/irving down the stretch
All said and done though
Durant still beats Korver/deron/bogut
Also looks like dubs get Calderon - I reckon Houston loom as a massive threat though, if they are going tohit 20 threes a night then you are going ot need to out gun them
Embiid out indefinitely. That makes me sad
Quote from: Mat0369 on February 28, 2017, 10:50:05 AM
Embiid out indefinitely. That makes me sad
So Embiid may miss the rest of the season, Simmons is out for the season, Noel traded for peanuts. Is The Process falling apart?
Quote from: LaHug on February 28, 2017, 10:52:36 AM
Quote from: Mat0369 on February 28, 2017, 10:50:05 AM
Embiid out indefinitely. That makes me sad
So Embiid may miss the rest of the season, Simmons is out for the season, Noel traded for peanuts. Is The Process falling apart?
or running as planned?
next year they have Embiid Simmons Saric all ready to go and a top 5 pick who i hope is Malik Monk.
A SG which they desperately need, shooting 41.9% from 3 and able to guard point guards.
McConnel Monk Simmons Saric Embiid thats a half decent team if it gets out on the park.
If the Lakers pick conveys it could be 2 top 5 guys so potentially a stealth tank
Players only broadcast Cavs Vs Bucks 8)
even the camera angles are tighter, giving a truer sense of how quick this game is
Quote from: Holz on February 28, 2017, 11:27:21 AM
Quote from: LaHug on February 28, 2017, 10:52:36 AM
Quote from: Mat0369 on February 28, 2017, 10:50:05 AM
Embiid out indefinitely. That makes me sad
So Embiid may miss the rest of the season, Simmons is out for the season, Noel traded for peanuts. Is The Process falling apart?
or running as planned?
next year they have Embiid Simmons Saric all ready to go and a top 5 pick who i hope is Malik Monk.
A SG which they desperately need, shooting 41.9% from 3 and able to guard point guards.
McConnel Monk Simmons Saric Embiid thats a half decent team if it gets out on the park.
Do we think Embiid ever gets on the park? He has played only 30 odd games in 3 years, his talent is undeniable, but i don't understand how people arent more worried about another injury. He has full Yao Ming potential to fall apart due to size.
They will have Sacramento's pick, so they are getting 2-5 anyway, even if they dont get the lakers
Quote from: killerbees on February 28, 2017, 12:27:21 PM
Quote from: Holz on February 28, 2017, 11:27:21 AM
Quote from: LaHug on February 28, 2017, 10:52:36 AM
Quote from: Mat0369 on February 28, 2017, 10:50:05 AM
Embiid out indefinitely. That makes me sad
So Embiid may miss the rest of the season, Simmons is out for the season, Noel traded for peanuts. Is The Process falling apart?
or running as planned?
next year they have Embiid Simmons Saric all ready to go and a top 5 pick who i hope is Malik Monk.
A SG which they desperately need, shooting 41.9% from 3 and able to guard point guards.
McConnel Monk Simmons Saric Embiid thats a half decent team if it gets out on the park.
Do we think Embiid ever gets on the park? He has played only 30 odd games in 3 years, his talent is undeniable, but i don't understand how people arent more worried about another injury. He has full Yao Ming potential to fall apart due to size.
They will have Sacramento's pick, so they are getting 2-5 anyway, even if they dont get the lakers
That's the point I was trying to make. No certainty Embiid ever plays even half a season and no certainty Simmons does either (foot injuries in big people derail careers).
I thought the Sac pick was only a pick swap??
Quote from: LaHug on February 28, 2017, 12:53:28 PM
Quote from: killerbees on February 28, 2017, 12:27:21 PM
Quote from: Holz on February 28, 2017, 11:27:21 AM
Quote from: LaHug on February 28, 2017, 10:52:36 AM
Quote from: Mat0369 on February 28, 2017, 10:50:05 AM
Embiid out indefinitely. That makes me sad
So Embiid may miss the rest of the season, Simmons is out for the season, Noel traded for peanuts. Is The Process falling apart?
or running as planned?
next year they have Embiid Simmons Saric all ready to go and a top 5 pick who i hope is Malik Monk.
A SG which they desperately need, shooting 41.9% from 3 and able to guard point guards.
McConnel Monk Simmons Saric Embiid thats a half decent team if it gets out on the park.
Do we think Embiid ever gets on the park? He has played only 30 odd games in 3 years, his talent is undeniable, but i don't understand how people arent more worried about another injury. He has full Yao Ming potential to fall apart due to size.
They will have Sacramento's pick, so they are getting 2-5 anyway, even if they dont get the lakers
That's the point I was trying to make. No certainty Embiid ever plays even half a season and no certainty Simmons does either (foot injuries in big people derail careers).
I thought the Sac pick was only a pick swap??
Embiid you should have legit questions on. However you would think he has to have a greater then a 50% chance.
Simmon would be very confident on yeah foot injury is bad but he is young and not riddled with injuries like embiid. Hes a big guy but not that big more of a kevin durrant type. Plus i think they will stick him at point so not battling the big guys like Embiid has to.
Quote from: LaHug on February 28, 2017, 12:53:28 PM
Quote from: killerbees on February 28, 2017, 12:27:21 PM
Quote from: Holz on February 28, 2017, 11:27:21 AM
Quote from: LaHug on February 28, 2017, 10:52:36 AM
Quote from: Mat0369 on February 28, 2017, 10:50:05 AM
Embiid out indefinitely. That makes me sad
So Embiid may miss the rest of the season, Simmons is out for the season, Noel traded for peanuts. Is The Process falling apart?
or running as planned?
next year they have Embiid Simmons Saric all ready to go and a top 5 pick who i hope is Malik Monk.
A SG which they desperately need, shooting 41.9% from 3 and able to guard point guards.
McConnel Monk Simmons Saric Embiid thats a half decent team if it gets out on the park.
Do we think Embiid ever gets on the park? He has played only 30 odd games in 3 years, his talent is undeniable, but i don't understand how people arent more worried about another injury. He has full Yao Ming potential to fall apart due to size.
They will have Sacramento's pick, so they are getting 2-5 anyway, even if they dont get the lakers
That's the point I was trying to make. No certainty Embiid ever plays even half a season and no certainty Simmons does either (foot injuries in big people derail careers).
I thought the Sac pick was only a pick swap??
It is but should be top 3/4
Quote from: Holz on February 28, 2017, 12:59:38 PM
Quote from: LaHug on February 28, 2017, 12:53:28 PM
Quote from: killerbees on February 28, 2017, 12:27:21 PM
Quote from: Holz on February 28, 2017, 11:27:21 AM
Quote from: LaHug on February 28, 2017, 10:52:36 AM
Quote from: Mat0369 on February 28, 2017, 10:50:05 AM
Embiid out indefinitely. That makes me sad
So Embiid may miss the rest of the season, Simmons is out for the season, Noel traded for peanuts. Is The Process falling apart?
or running as planned?
next year they have Embiid Simmons Saric all ready to go and a top 5 pick who i hope is Malik Monk.
A SG which they desperately need, shooting 41.9% from 3 and able to guard point guards.
McConnel Monk Simmons Saric Embiid thats a half decent team if it gets out on the park.
Do we think Embiid ever gets on the park? He has played only 30 odd games in 3 years, his talent is undeniable, but i don't understand how people arent more worried about another injury. He has full Yao Ming potential to fall apart due to size.
They will have Sacramento's pick, so they are getting 2-5 anyway, even if they dont get the lakers
That's the point I was trying to make. No certainty Embiid ever plays even half a season and no certainty Simmons does either (foot injuries in big people derail careers).
I thought the Sac pick was only a pick swap??
Embiid you should have legit questions on. However you would think he has to have a greater then a 50% chance.
Simmon would be very confident on yeah foot injury is bad but he is young and not riddled with injuries like embiid. Hes a big guy but not that big more of a kevin durrant type. Plus i think they will stick him at point so not battling the big guys like Embiid has to.
I dunno if i'd say Embiid as high as 50%, i think simmons should be fine, but they are stealth tanking again and playing safe
Quote from: Mat0369 on February 28, 2017, 12:00:09 PM
If the Lakers pick conveys it could be 2 top 5 guys so potentially a stealth tank
Makes sense for Philly to want to finish below LA now, if they fall into the top 3 picks then there's an even better chance LA conveys. Two top 5 picks in this draft would be tasty.
I love you DeMar.
Quote from: TomK on February 28, 2017, 04:25:50 PM
I love you DeMar.
Man he was huge inside last 3 minutes.
Lets see if I can explain this properly.
Sacramento owes its own 2017 1st round pick to Chicago if it is anywhere between 11-30 (1st round, top 10 protected). If Sacramento ends up between 1-10 it will give Chicago its 2017 2nd round pick instead.
Sacramento must swap its pick with Philadelphia if Sacramento's pick is better than Philadelphia's. For example if Sacramento landed the 9th pick and Philadelphia had the 11th, then we would swap picks... but we would not owe that 11th pick to Chicago (as its Philadelphia's pick, not ours)
Sacramento does not get New Orleans' pick this year if New Orleans' lands between 1-3. In that case, the pick becomes top 1 protected for 2018 - 2020 and unprotected in 2021.
Sacramento owns Philadelphia’s 2017 2nd round pick outright.
Sacramento Best Case Scenario
Pelicans overtake kings in standings and land the 8-12th pick
Kings land the 4-7th (ish) pick
76'ers land the 1-4 pick
We wouldnt swap picks with 76'ers and we wouldnt lose our 1st round to Chicago. Therefore:
Kings get 2 x 1st round picks (their own plus Pelicans)
Kings keep 76'ers 2nd round (which would be high due to 76'ers being lower than Kings)
Chicago gets early 2nd round pick from Kings
Quote from: valkorum on February 28, 2017, 05:30:07 PM
Lets see if I can explain this properly.
Sacramento owes its own 2017 1st round pick to Chicago if it is anywhere between 11-30 (1st round, top 10 protected). If Sacramento ends up between 1-10 it will give Chicago its 2017 2nd round pick instead.
Sacramento must swap its pick with Philadelphia if Sacramento's pick is better than Philadelphia's. For example if Sacramento landed the 9th pick and Philadelphia had the 11th, then we would swap picks... but we would not owe that 11th pick to Chicago (as its Philadelphia's pick, not ours)
Sacramento does not get New Orleans' pick this year if New Orleans' lands between 1-3. In that case, the pick becomes top 1 protected for 2018 - 2020 and unprotected in 2021.
Sacramento owns Philadelphia’s 2017 2nd round pick outright.
Yeah so you got fleeced on both the stauskas salary dump and the boogie deal
Quote from: killerbees on February 28, 2017, 05:39:04 PM
Yeah so you got fleeced on both the stauskas salary dump and the boogie deal
Read my best case scenario. IF that happens (which is possible), then we would end up with 2 x 1st round picks this season and better 2nd round pick than ours (which would actually go to the Bulls)
Quote from: Mat0369 on October 08, 2016, 01:24:37 AM
Quote from: jvalles69 on October 05, 2016, 05:06:30 PM
Placed my first bet, James Harden for MVP @ $16.
Can't find ROY markets, Buddy Hield would be my smoky bet.
Get on Dario 'The Homie' Saric. Embiid and Jah will be on minute restrictions early and no Simmons for three months means that Saric is the starting power forward in that team and should play big minutes. He is going to stuff the stat sheet and shoots the ball well from 3.
So with JoJo out indefinitely this is looking like a good possibility. The Homie will probably win rookie of the year.
I reckon ROY bets will be supended now.
So sick of hearing, "trust the process", there is no process, you tanked to get good draft picks, dumped salary, now what? ::)
Quote from: valkorum on February 28, 2017, 06:19:51 PM
Quote from: killerbees on February 28, 2017, 05:39:04 PM
Yeah so you got fleeced on both the stauskas salary dump and the boogie deal
Read my best case scenario. IF that happens (which is possible), then we would end up with 2 x 1st round picks this season and better 2nd round pick than ours (which would actually go to the Bulls)
Yeah, but you also gave them next years pick, definite fleecing.
Also i wouldn't be trusting the current admin to make anything of the picks
Quote from: killerbees on March 02, 2017, 02:07:49 PM
Quote from: valkorum on February 28, 2017, 06:19:51 PM
Quote from: killerbees on February 28, 2017, 05:39:04 PM
Yeah so you got fleeced on both the stauskas salary dump and the boogie deal
Read my best case scenario. IF that happens (which is possible), then we would end up with 2 x 1st round picks this season and better 2nd round pick than ours (which would actually go to the Bulls)
Yeah, but you also gave them next years pick, definite fleecing.
Also i wouldn't be trusting the current admin to make anything of the picks
Papagiannis is going to be a superstar.......
Quote from: LaHug on March 02, 2017, 02:32:48 PM
Quote from: killerbees on March 02, 2017, 02:07:49 PM
Quote from: valkorum on February 28, 2017, 06:19:51 PM
Quote from: killerbees on February 28, 2017, 05:39:04 PM
Yeah so you got fleeced on both the stauskas salary dump and the boogie deal
Read my best case scenario. IF that happens (which is possible), then we would end up with 2 x 1st round picks this season and better 2nd round pick than ours (which would actually go to the Bulls)
Yeah, but you also gave them next years pick, definite fleecing.
Also i wouldn't be trusting the current admin to make anything of the picks
Papagiannis is going to be a superstar.......
He's shooting 60% from 3 in the G-League so he's pretty much already there
Quote from: killerbees on March 02, 2017, 02:07:49 PM
Yeah, but you also gave them next years pick, definite fleecing.
Also i wouldn't be trusting the current admin to make anything of the picks
No we didnt. This is the last year of giving picks away (or pick swaps).
Quote from: jvalles69 on March 02, 2017, 01:47:44 PM
I reckon ROY bets will be supended now.
So sick of hearing, "trust the process", there is no process, you tanked to get good draft picks, dumped salary, now what? ::)
Under Hinkie there was a plan, a very clear one. Hinkie blew up the team in hopes of acquiring as many assets in possible and then parlaying those into a superstar. He used analytics to see how championship teams were built. The components of the championship team â€" a player in the NBA 96th percentile, a player in the NBA 90th percentile, and a third player in the NBA 79% percentile. Find those, and the team is set. Find those, and you will have your championship.
Superstars attract superstars, but for a team in the 6'ers position the best chance of finding a superstar is through the draft. They were a team devoid of assets and had a bleak long term future after the Bynum trade. He decided to blatantly and systematically tanking until they got their superstar while trying to bring in as many assets as possible to potentially hit on a couple of guys. This involved taking salary dumps for picks and flipping guys that were at peak value but weren't long term solutions (MCW).
They hit on a superstar, that guy is Embiid, he is The Process. However with the injury and the subsequent second injury they had to take the best available talent to either try and flip or hope they develop into their top 90 percentile guy. Eventually it would lead to another year of tanking and the subsequent Simmons pick. It gives them optionality. If one doesn't work out, they have another, if they both don't they have more assets in the future to try and hit with, if they both do they have two of the 3 pieces they need and assets to either draft the third piece or on trade it for a third guy.
There was a clear vision and process to the whole thing under Hinkie, a lot of people didn't like it for various reasons. The fans with a short sighted view didn't because they were sick of losing, the owners didn't because they weren't getting the money they hoped for when playing a big market team, the NBA didn't because it made a mockery of the whole lottery system and abused the foundation they set up.
Right now under BC it's a different story, the way he handled the Noel/Jah situation was abysmal. He didn't capitalise on the value these guys had even though they weren't viewed as long term solutions. This culminated in him trading Noel for cents on the dollar where Hinkie would only flip an asset if he knew he could maximise on the trade value. He completely mishandled the
injuries of both Embiid and Simmons. The Embiid one is a huge worry, because not only did you piss the fan base off, you pissed your star player off with the way you managed it. He has a war chest of picks, money and a core of guys that should be a playoff contender shortly. All he has to do is not screw it up. He seems to be screwing it up so far. Right now if you're Trusting the Process it's because you believe Embiid is a superstar. I believe he is, so I'm trusting The Process, that doesn't mean I trust Colangelo to not F it up.
Quote from: valkorum on March 03, 2017, 12:37:19 AM
No we didnt. This is the last year of giving picks away (or pick swaps).
2019 unprotected first is actually the 6'ers. Jusaying.
nice summary of Hinkie's process Mat, thanks.
I actually would be worried that Brian Colangelo will f*ck up Hinkie's process but I'm biased against him because he screwed Phoenix and then skipped town - think he did ok in Toronto though??
Quote from: killerbees on March 02, 2017, 02:07:49 PM
Quote from: valkorum on February 28, 2017, 06:19:51 PM
Quote from: killerbees on February 28, 2017, 05:39:04 PM
Yeah so you got fleeced on both the stauskas salary dump and the boogie deal
Read my best case scenario. IF that happens (which is possible), then we would end up with 2 x 1st round picks this season and better 2nd round pick than ours (which would actually go to the Bulls)
Yeah, but you also gave them next years pick, definite fleecing.
Also i wouldn't be trusting the current admin to make anything of the picks
valk, Sacto trading with NOP over PHX = wtf??
We offered, TJ Warren, Len, Knight and 1st round pick and they went with NOP's "poo poo platter"??!!??
Now i'm probably over-valuing Len (and Sac don't need anymore bigs) and no team in the NBA wants Knight as the 'new' Rudy Gay (ie analytics negative poster-child) but Warren is a 23yr old small fwd who can score inside the 3pt arc (so not the current 3-D small-fwd) but still a starting quality youngster while Gay is out (and if he don't come back) ...
don't make no sense to me ...
Mat, I wish we still had the cheer/boo system because that was one of the best summaries I've read. Kudos!
Quote from: Mat0369 on March 03, 2017, 01:00:17 AM
Quote from: jvalles69 on March 02, 2017, 01:47:44 PM
I reckon ROY bets will be supended now.
So sick of hearing, "trust the process", there is no process, you tanked to get good draft picks, dumped salary, now what? ::)
Under Hinkie there was a plan, a very clear one. Hinkie blew up the team in hopes of acquiring as many assets in possible and then parlaying those into a superstar. He used analytics to see how championship teams were built. The components of the championship team â€" a player in the NBA 96th percentile, a player in the NBA 90th percentile, and a third player in the NBA 79% percentile. Find those, and the team is set. Find those, and you will have your championship.
Superstars attract superstars, but for a team in the 6'ers position the best chance of finding a superstar is through the draft. They were a team devoid of assets and had a bleak long term future after the Bynum trade. He decided to blatantly and systematically tanking until they got their superstar while trying to bring in as many assets as possible to potentially hit on a couple of guys. This involved taking salary dumps for picks and flipping guys that were at peak value but weren't long term solutions (MCW).
They hit on a superstar, that guy is Embiid, he is The Process. However with the injury and the subsequent second injury they had to take the best available talent to either try and flip or hope they develop into their top 90 percentile guy. Eventually it would lead to another year of tanking and the subsequent Simmons pick. It gives them optionality. If one doesn't work out, they have another, if they both don't they have more assets in the future to try and hit with, if they both do they have two of the 3 pieces they need and assets to either draft the third piece or on trade it for a third guy.
There was a clear vision and process to the whole thing under Hinkie, a lot of people didn't like it for various reasons. The fans with a short sighted view didn't because they were sick of losing, the owners didn't because they weren't getting the money they hoped for when playing a big market team, the NBA didn't because it made a mockery of the whole lottery system and abused the foundation they set up.
Right now under BC it's a different story, the way he handled the Noel/Jah situation was abysmal. He didn't capitalise on the value these guys had even though they weren't viewed as long term solutions. This culminated in him trading Noel for cents on the dollar where Hinkie would only flip an asset if he knew he could maximise on the trade value. He completely mishandled the
injuries of both Embiid and Simmons. The Embiid one is a huge worry, because not only did you piss the fan base off, you pissed your star player off with the way you managed it. He has a war chest of picks, money and a core of guys that should be a playoff contender shortly. All he has to do is not screw it up. He seems to be screwing it up so far. Right now if you're Trusting the Process it's because you believe Embiid is a superstar. I believe he is, so I'm trusting The Process, that doesn't mean I trust Colangelo to not F it up.
Quote from: valkorum on March 03, 2017, 12:37:19 AM
No we didnt. This is the last year of giving picks away (or pick swaps).
2019 unprotected first is actually the 6'ers. Jusaying.
This is a great summary and completely agree. I just think the fact that they keep using the moniker, "trust the process" is starting to get a bit lame when they are just hoping these guys get over their injuries and reach their potential. I flowering love Embiid and hope he gets healthy so I understand what you're saying.
Quote from: jvalles69 on March 03, 2017, 03:15:58 PM
This is a great summary and completely agree. I just think the fact that they keep using the moniker, "trust the process" is starting to get a bit lame when they are just hoping these guys get over their injuries and reach their potential. I flowering love Embiid and hope he gets healthy so I understand what you're saying.
Im pretty sure its now more about Trust "The Process" aka Trust Embiid.
not the Tankadelphia
The funny thing is that Hinkie himself didnt even start the whole "Trust the process" phrase ;)
From an NBA fan perspective, it's just annoying that one of the smartest, clear minded, strategic GMs in the league got thrown out while we still have morons running franchises *cough* Vlade *cough*
Quote from: jvalles69 on March 03, 2017, 03:15:58 PM
This is a great summary and completely agree. I just think the fact that they keep using the moniker, "trust the process" is starting to get a bit lame when they are just hoping these guys get over their injuries and reach their potential. I flowering love Embiid and hope he gets healthy so I understand what you're saying.
The whole Trust The Process line is more in support of Embiid now. He is introduced as 'The Process' in games, he completely embodies it and any fan of the team that is spouting it is doing it in their wholehearted support of him and the team.
The media are bringing it up because they want to push their agendas again. There are two extremes right now without a middle ground. They are either stating that The Process has failed like they do every year, that the team is a disgrace and still suck blah blah blah. The other extreme is that we still need to TTP because it's all about tanking.
I can get the frustration at that and I see every d-bag on ESPN chiming in. The Stephen A Smith video is exactly what I expected, crap that is missing the point. They need to realise that the actual process died with the regime change. As soon as the Colangelo's were put in charge, the off court process ended. The chants that happen at games are not because of this, it's in support of the team and a sign of respect for what Hinkie had built.
Quote from: Jay on March 03, 2017, 11:16:02 PM
The funny thing is that Hinkie himself didnt even start the whole "Trust the process" phrase ;)
From an NBA fan perspective, it's just annoying that one of the smartest, clear minded, strategic GMs in the league got thrown out while we still have morons running franchises *cough* Vlade *cough*
It's a revenue driven league and that's what it came down to in the end. When the 6'ers would travel to play teams the owners weren't making the money they wanted on the gate and it hurt the league revenue since they are a big market team. The owners complained to Silver to step in and end it, he hooked Harris up with Jerry Colangelo in an attempt to neuter Hinkie.
The other thing that was pissing them off was the fact Hinkie was a skilled negotiator. He was slaying teams at the trade table.
The agents weren't happy because he wasn't dishing out bad contracts to players. Instead of giving huge deals to second tier guys like Reggie Jackson and Chandler Parsons he was looking at team friendly contracts for guys like RoCo. The agents don't get paid if their clients aren't making the big bucks.
I would totally go for PHX hiring Sam Hinkie to help out with a 'process'! ;)
And bring back Steve Nash in some capacity too wouldn't go astray ... not saying they have to fire McDonough but bringing these sorts of high quality people to and back to the organisation surely could not hurt?? :p
Quote from: valkorum on March 03, 2017, 12:37:19 AM
Quote from: killerbees on March 02, 2017, 02:07:49 PM
Yeah, but you also gave them next years pick, definite fleecing.
Also i wouldn't be trusting the current admin to make anything of the picks
No we didnt. This is the last year of giving picks away (or pick swaps).
Yeah nah, like Mat said you owe Philly next years 0 protections - fleeced
Quote from: j959 on March 03, 2017, 03:58:56 AM
valk, Sacto trading with NOP over PHX = wtf??
We offered, TJ Warren, Len, Knight and 1st round pick and they went with NOP's "poo poo platter"??!!??
Now i'm probably over-valuing Len (and Sac don't need anymore bigs) and no team in the NBA wants Knight as the 'new' Rudy Gay (ie analytics negative poster-child) but Warren is a 23yr old small fwd who can score inside the 3pt arc (so not the current 3-D small-fwd) but still a starting quality youngster while Gay is out (and if he don't come back) ...
don't make no sense to me ...
You said it yourself, we don't need big men so no point bringing in Len. We have WCS, Skal (my new nickname for those 2 are the Thin Towers), Koufos, Papagiannis
We don't need a guy who cant play 3&D - we need wing defenders (and lots of them).
I think that deal is worse than the one we got shafted with by the Pelicans. Not one of those players fits a need for us. At least with the Pelicans we get a 3&D with Hield and a young PG in Galloway. We also get Tyreke who is good at driving to the paint and can play the 1, 2 or 3.
Re: next years pick. Wow, I didn't realise we gave an un-protected 1st as well in the 76'ers deal. If it was just the current deal of players and current pick swaps - It aint as bad as everyone was saying, because we dumped a lot of useless players and their overpaid salaries. (which we wasted in getting Rondo but thats another story)
It's not next years pick, it's actually the year after. I thought it was next years originally but you can't trade back to back firsts and since the Kings owed one to the Bulls they can't trade their first next year.
QuoteBecause of league rules, dubbed the Stepien rule, the pick Sacramento trades to Philadelphia must be 2 years after when the Kings either send the pick to Chicago or the pick can no longer be conveyed.
It is an unprotected pick to the 6'ers and has been all along to go with the two pick swaps. With Cousins pending free agency this is why Hinkie is a genius. He set that pick up to land in the period where Cousins could bail on the Kings.
Quote from: Mat0369 on March 06, 2017, 11:26:15 PM
It is an unprotected pick to the 6'ers and has been all along to go with the two pick swaps. With Cousins pending free agency this is why Hinkie is a genius. He set that pick up to land in the period where Cousins could bail on the Kings.
Except that we just traded Cousins now and potentially giving us 2 x 1st rounder this season and we still get our 1st round next season.
Quote from: valkorum on March 06, 2017, 11:43:37 PM
Except that we just traded Cousins now and potentially giving us 2 x 1st rounder this season and we still get our 1st round next season.
They will still suck and next years draft appears to be meh. The top 5 pick the following year will be a lot better.
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Quote from: valkorum on March 06, 2017, 11:43:37 PM
Except that we just traded Cousins now and potentially giving us 2 x 1st rounder this season and we still get our 1st round next season.
They will still suck and next years draft appears to be meh. The top 5 pick the following year will be a lot better.
The draft might be meh, but generally the top 10 is reasonably decent.
Quote from: valkorum on March 06, 2017, 11:18:56 PM
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valk, Sacto trading with NOP over PHX = wtf??
We offered, TJ Warren, Len, Knight and 1st round pick and they went with NOP's "poo poo platter"??!!??
Now i'm probably over-valuing Len (and Sac don't need anymore bigs) and no team in the NBA wants Knight as the 'new' Rudy Gay (ie analytics negative poster-child) but Warren is a 23yr old small fwd who can score inside the 3pt arc (so not the current 3-D small-fwd) but still a starting quality youngster while Gay is out (and if he don't come back) ...
don't make no sense to me ...
You said it yourself, we don't need big men so no point bringing in Len. We have WCS, Skal (my new nickname for those 2 are the Thin Towers), Koufos, Papagiannis
We don't need a guy who cant play 3&D - we need wing defenders (and lots of them).
I think that deal is worse than the one we got shafted with by the Pelicans. Not one of those players fits a need for us. At least with the Pelicans we get a 3&D with Hield and a young PG in Galloway. We also get Tyreke who is good at driving to the paint and can play the 1, 2 or 3.
Re: next years pick. Wow, I didn't realise we gave an un-protected 1st as well in the 76'ers deal. If it was just the current deal of players and current pick swaps - It aint as bad as everyone was saying, because we dumped a lot of useless players and their overpaid salaries. (which we wasted in getting Rondo but thats another story)
Hield is a horrible defender so far and Tyreke doesnt fit the modern game at all.
Warren trumps anything you got i tend to agree
I think Hield has a higher ceiling than anything Phoenix offered (depending on how protected that first round pick was) but both deals are crap.
Quote from: LaHug on March 07, 2017, 11:46:58 AM
I think Hield has a higher ceiling than anything Phoenix offered (depending on how protected that first round pick was) but both deals are crap.
I agree that both deals are crap, but I honestly think the Pelicans deal is better than the proposed Suns deal..... easily
Quote from: LaHug on March 07, 2017, 11:46:58 AM
I think Hield has a higher ceiling than anything Phoenix offered (depending on how protected that first round pick was) but both deals are crap.
Do we think Hield has much of a cieling to reach? He's 23 or 24 now, he's probably almost at his ceiling, which is spot up shooter in rotation either as 3rd/4th option starting or bench.
You needed Jamal Murray in NOP to take him
Quote from: killerbees on March 07, 2017, 02:12:34 PM
Quote from: LaHug on March 07, 2017, 11:46:58 AM
I think Hield has a higher ceiling than anything Phoenix offered (depending on how protected that first round pick was) but both deals are crap.
Do we think Hield has much of a cieling to reach? He's 23 or 24 now, he's probably almost at his ceiling, which is spot up shooter in rotation either as 3rd/4th option starting or bench.
You needed Jamal Murray in NOP to take him
I know he stayed a long time in college but players still improve over their first few years in the league. Lillard has improved, as a recent example. Jordan got better too and he stayed at college for a while. No, Hield hasn't looked great yet but he looks better than anything in that Phoenix deal (barring the pick being this year and not protected or not highly protected).
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Quote from: LaHug on March 07, 2017, 11:46:58 AM
I think Hield has a higher ceiling than anything Phoenix offered (depending on how protected that first round pick was) but both deals are crap.
Do we think Hield has much of a cieling to reach? He's 23 or 24 now, he's probably almost at his ceiling, which is spot up shooter in rotation either as 3rd/4th option starting or bench.
You needed Jamal Murray in NOP to take him
I know he stayed a long time in college but players still improve over their first few years in the league. Lillard has improved, as a recent example. Jordan got better too and he stayed at college for a while. No, Hield hasn't looked great yet but he looks better than anything in that Phoenix deal (barring the pick being this year and not protected or not highly protected).
Jimmy Butler stayed in college for 3 years and did nothing over his first 2 years.
still way too early to make any calls on Hield.
Poor bogut
Even Curry took a couple of years before he exploded.
Quote from: LaHug on March 07, 2017, 03:16:18 PM
Quote from: killerbees on March 07, 2017, 02:12:34 PM
Quote from: LaHug on March 07, 2017, 11:46:58 AM
I think Hield has a higher ceiling than anything Phoenix offered (depending on how protected that first round pick was) but both deals are crap.
Do we think Hield has much of a cieling to reach? He's 23 or 24 now, he's probably almost at his ceiling, which is spot up shooter in rotation either as 3rd/4th option starting or bench.
You needed Jamal Murray in NOP to take him
I know he stayed a long time in college but players still improve over their first few years in the league. Lillard has improved, as a recent example. Jordan got better too and he stayed at college for a while. No, Hield hasn't looked great yet but he looks better than anything in that Phoenix deal (barring the pick being this year and not protected or not highly protected).
Lillard averaged 19 and 6.5 and won ROY
Everyone stayed in college back then and i'm not going to compare rookie hield to rookie Jordan lol
Curry is a solid example of coming on slow from small market, butler passed eye test as a rookie, Hield does not, he doesnt have the physical tools these guys did or the once in a generation shooting Steph has
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Quote from: LaHug on March 07, 2017, 03:16:18 PM
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Quote from: LaHug on March 07, 2017, 11:46:58 AM
I think Hield has a higher ceiling than anything Phoenix offered (depending on how protected that first round pick was) but both deals are crap.
Do we think Hield has much of a cieling to reach? He's 23 or 24 now, he's probably almost at his ceiling, which is spot up shooter in rotation either as 3rd/4th option starting or bench.
You needed Jamal Murray in NOP to take him
I know he stayed a long time in college but players still improve over their first few years in the league. Lillard has improved, as a recent example. Jordan got better too and he stayed at college for a while. No, Hield hasn't looked great yet but he looks better than anything in that Phoenix deal (barring the pick being this year and not protected or not highly protected).
Lillard averaged 19 and 6.5 and won ROY
Everyone stayed in college back then and i'm not going to compare rookie hield to rookie Jordan lol
Curry is a solid example of coming on slow from small market, butler passed eye test as a rookie, Hield does not, he doesnt have the physical tools these guys did or the once in a generation shooting Steph has
I thought he was Steph in the body of Klay ::)
Classic Vivek.
I think that's what i don't get from Sacramento fans, sure he may be a better fit than Warren, or whatever else was on offer i can buy that.
But dude is a career role player at best
Quote from: killerbees on March 07, 2017, 04:45:54 PM
Classic Vivek.
I think that's what i don't get from Sacramento fans, sure he may be a better fit than Warren, or whatever else was on offer i can buy that.
But dude is a career role player at best
he is not a terrible player just not worth anywhere near cousins. but he also doesn't come with all the negatives that cousins has.
lets give the kid some time he is only a rookie.
only played 5 games for the Kings but put up 13 points in under 25 minutes on good shooting so there are some positive signs there.
certainly can see him being able to put up 20 a night which puts him a pretty good role player.
Quote from: Holz on March 07, 2017, 04:54:12 PM
Quote from: killerbees on March 07, 2017, 04:45:54 PM
Classic Vivek.
I think that's what i don't get from Sacramento fans, sure he may be a better fit than Warren, or whatever else was on offer i can buy that.
But dude is a career role player at best
he is not a terrible player just not worth anywhere near cousins. but he also doesn't come with all the negatives that cousins has.
lets give the kid some time he is only a rookie.
only played 5 games for the Kings but put up 13 points in under 25 minutes on good shooting so there are some positive signs there.
certainly can see him being able to put up 20 a night which puts him a pretty good role player.
Best case current Eric Gordon?
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Quote from: Holz on March 07, 2017, 04:54:12 PM
Quote from: killerbees on March 07, 2017, 04:45:54 PM
Classic Vivek.
I think that's what i don't get from Sacramento fans, sure he may be a better fit than Warren, or whatever else was on offer i can buy that.
But dude is a career role player at best
he is not a terrible player just not worth anywhere near cousins. but he also doesn't come with all the negatives that cousins has.
lets give the kid some time he is only a rookie.
only played 5 games for the Kings but put up 13 points in under 25 minutes on good shooting so there are some positive signs there.
certainly can see him being able to put up 20 a night which puts him a pretty good role player.
Best case current Eric Gordon?
Brandon Roy but healthy.
Played 4 years college aswell
3 time all star
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Quote from: killerbees on March 07, 2017, 04:45:54 PM
Classic Vivek.
I think that's what i don't get from Sacramento fans, sure he may be a better fit than Warren, or whatever else was on offer i can buy that.
But dude is a career role player at best
he is not a terrible player just not worth anywhere near cousins. but he also doesn't come with all the negatives that cousins has.
lets give the kid some time he is only a rookie.
only played 5 games for the Kings but put up 13 points in under 25 minutes on good shooting so there are some positive signs there.
certainly can see him being able to put up 20 a night which puts him a pretty good role player.
Best case current Eric Gordon?
Brandon Roy but healthy.
Played 4 years college aswell
3 time all star
Roy was much more multi-dimensional than Hield and performed right from his rookie season
Heild in his prime won't be as good as Brandon Roy is today who I don't even think has either of his knees left.
lol Brandon Roy, he will never be close to that level.
Gordon isnt a bad comparison, gunner with questionable D if he gets in the right team space he can put up 17-20 on volume off bench but wont be ever considered for All Stars
Separate point; i'd love to see Patty Mills numbers in a system that let's him be a gunner, i love him on the Spurs and it's the almost perfect role for him, but put him in the Gordon role i'd argue his numbers would be better
Here's a question for y'all (I have my opinion). Who's better right now - Eric Gordon or Lou Williams?
Quote from: plumdog millionaire on March 07, 2017, 07:59:46 PM
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Quote from: killerbees on March 07, 2017, 04:45:54 PM
Classic Vivek.
I think that's what i don't get from Sacramento fans, sure he may be a better fit than Warren, or whatever else was on offer i can buy that.
But dude is a career role player at best
he is not a terrible player just not worth anywhere near cousins. but he also doesn't come with all the negatives that cousins has.
lets give the kid some time he is only a rookie.
only played 5 games for the Kings but put up 13 points in under 25 minutes on good shooting so there are some positive signs there.
certainly can see him being able to put up 20 a night which puts him a pretty good role player.
Best case current Eric Gordon?
Brandon Roy but healthy.
Played 4 years college aswell
3 time all star
Roy was much more multi-dimensional than Hield and performed right from his rookie season
i dont love hield but we cant be this harsh on him.
Roy went 16.8 4.4 4 in 35.4 minutes
Hield is going 9 2.9 1.3 in 20.8 minutes which if you account for minutes is 15.3 4.9 2.2
thats taking away from the fact his numbers have gone up in Sacramento so his overall stats will improve.
hes going 13.2 3 0.7 in 24.6 minutes which equates to 19 4.3 and 1 on very efficient shooting.
lets give the kid a break its not his fault he got traded for Cousins and the owner overates him. Ill go out on the limb and say he will be a decent player.
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Quote from: Holz on March 07, 2017, 04:54:12 PM
Quote from: killerbees on March 07, 2017, 04:45:54 PM
Classic Vivek.
I think that's what i don't get from Sacramento fans, sure he may be a better fit than Warren, or whatever else was on offer i can buy that.
But dude is a career role player at best
he is not a terrible player just not worth anywhere near cousins. but he also doesn't come with all the negatives that cousins has.
lets give the kid some time he is only a rookie.
only played 5 games for the Kings but put up 13 points in under 25 minutes on good shooting so there are some positive signs there.
certainly can see him being able to put up 20 a night which puts him a pretty good role player.
Best case current Eric Gordon?
Brandon Roy but healthy.
Played 4 years college aswell
3 time all star
Roy was much more multi-dimensional than Hield and performed right from his rookie season
i dont love hield but we cant be this harsh on him.
Roy went 16.8 4.4 4 in 35.4 minutes
Hield is going 9 2.9 1.3 in 20.8 minutes which if you account for minutes is 15.3 4.9 2.2
thats taking away from the fact his numbers have gone up in Sacramento so his overall stats will improve.
hes going 13.2 3 0.7 in 24.6 minutes which equates to 19 4.3 and 1 on very efficient shooting.
lets give the kid a break its not his fault he got traded for Cousins and the owner overates him. Ill go out on the limb and say he will be a decent player.
Box score stats tell about 20% of the story so I personally can't buy that. AND EVEN IF you're citing box score stats, you're glossing over FTA (4.3 v 1.3), AST (4.1 v 1.0) and TO (2.1 v 4.9) all in Roy's favour (Per 36, Roy's ROY season and Hield with SAC). Roy actually looked to be a high usage star calibre player in Portland, Hield looks to be hopefully a nice volume shooter with not much else to his game, and that's fairly valuable if he can play replacement level D.
And no one is saying he won't be decent, just that its more likely than not that he won't end up being worth his trade value in the Boogie deal which you're agreeing with too.
Where does Bogut go from here?
I presume his contract with the Cavs was only for this season?
Surely someone gives Bogut a 2 year bench deal despite the leg
Quote from: killerbees on March 08, 2017, 01:47:18 PM
Surely someone gives Bogut a 2 year bench deal despite the leg
agreed, I don't think he'd be greedy ...
Quote from: valkorum on March 07, 2017, 12:19:48 PM
Quote from: LaHug on March 07, 2017, 11:46:58 AM
I think Hield has a higher ceiling than anything Phoenix offered (depending on how protected that first round pick was) but both deals are crap.
I agree that both deals are crap, but I honestly think the Pelicans deal is better than the proposed Suns deal..... easily
fair enuff, both deals were 'poo poo platter' ...
I acknowledge my Suns' bias/misery as the case may be ... :P ;)
so we still looking at Golden State v Cleveland final?? :P ;)
Poor Russ
Wow Westbrook
OKC just dont know how to win close games the last week or so
When he scores heavy they seem to lose, especially in the last 2 weeks.
That said epic to watch him wrecking ball it.
He's not going to average a triple double either because teams have worked it out. If Westbrook scores 50+ and the rest of the team scores around 30ish, you win easy. If Westbrook scores 30 and racks up 14 assists too, you lose. So now they'll just give him single coverage and force him to beat you. He'll lift his scoring average but miss the triple double. Kinda annoyed about that - I want to witness history!
Quote from: LaHug on March 09, 2017, 09:50:37 AM
I want to witness history!
you are witnessing history.
Lebron going for 7th straight finals the only other guy to go over 4 in 50 years is James Jones who played on Lebron's team.
much more impressive then recording a triple double.
Harden more impressive with 29 8 11 on better shooting then Russ 30 10 10
Lebron far far better with 26 8 9 on by far the best shooting.
Quote from: Holz on March 09, 2017, 11:00:28 AM
Quote from: LaHug on March 09, 2017, 09:50:37 AM
I want to witness history!
you are witnessing history.
Lebron going for 7th straight finals the only other guy to go over 4 in 50 years is James Jones who played on Lebron's team.
much more impressive then recording a triple double.
Harden more impressive with 29 8 11 on better shooting then Russ 30 10 10
Lebron far far better with 26 8 9 on by far the best shooting.
And Kawhi's coasting, sooooooooo underrated and deserves discussion in MVP talks.
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Quote from: LaHug on March 09, 2017, 09:50:37 AM
I want to witness history!
you are witnessing history.
Lebron going for 7th straight finals the only other guy to go over 4 in 50 years is James Jones who played on Lebron's team.
much more impressive then recording a triple double.
Harden more impressive with 29 8 11 on better shooting then Russ 30 10 10
Lebron far far better with 26 8 9 on by far the best shooting.
And Kawhi's coasting, sooooooooo underrated and deserves discussion in MVP talks.
The real MVP conversation is Kawhi v Lebron.
I actually consider it a compliment that we dont mention him as I put little value on the MVP. It will go to Westbrook or Harden two guys that I dont even have in my top 3 (Lebron Kawhi Durrant)
Dont think Kawhi, Durrant or lebron are too fussed, 2 out 3 will play off in the finals and the "MVP" can sit at home on his couch watching the best players in the NBA go at it.
It's so hot to gush over Kawhi right now :-X
26.3 PPG, 6.0 RPG, 3.4 APG
Those are the numbers Kawhi Leonard is averaging right now
25.1 PPG, 8.2 RPG, 7.8 APG
Those are the numbers Russell Westbrook would finish with if he didn't notch a single point, rebound, or assist in his remaining 18 games.
Quote from: Mat0369 on March 09, 2017, 04:51:08 PM
26.3 PPG, 6.0 RPG, 3.4 APG
Those are the numbers Kawhi Leonard is averaging right now
25.1 PPG, 8.2 RPG, 7.8 APG
Those are the numbers Russell Westbrook would finish with if he didn't notch a single point, rebound, or assist in his remaining 18 games.
And there in lies the debate...
Personally I think what Westbrook has done is incredible and no doubt in my mind that he's edging in the lead over Harden for MVP...but then you can go to "who's most important to their team", and I still think Westbrook takes that too, Kawhi and Aldridge both sat out today and Spurs came back from a 20 pt deficit (albeit against the Kings). So many sides to the argument and no-one will ever agree. I'd be satisfied if anyone of Westbrook, Harden, Kawhi were to win... to be honest if it was Lebron or AD then I prob wouldn't argue against it either.
Kawhi does what he needs to to make his team win and nothing more, Westbrook does "everything", because thats the only way he thinks they can win (but don't)...big difference and I know who I'd take to build my team around, AND I'm a massive Westbrook fan. Even Harden has figured out how to balance it with his teammates (who are considerably better than Westbrooks teammates).
If the true test of MVP is take the player off the team and see the results; Kawhi sits third, Lebron is overlooked too much too this year in MVP talk
Just looked at the AD shooting percentages - the ringer grading trades article - he is horrible with Boogie
Quote from: jvalles69 on March 09, 2017, 05:10:52 PM
Quote from: Mat0369 on March 09, 2017, 04:51:08 PM
26.3 PPG, 6.0 RPG, 3.4 APG
Those are the numbers Kawhi Leonard is averaging right now
25.1 PPG, 8.2 RPG, 7.8 APG
Those are the numbers Russell Westbrook would finish with if he didn't notch a single point, rebound, or assist in his remaining 18 games.
And there in lies the debate...
Personally I think what Westbrook has done is incredible and no doubt in my mind that he's edging in the lead over Harden for MVP...but then you can go to "who's most important to their team", and I still think Westbrook takes that too, Kawhi and Aldridge both sat out today and Spurs came back from a 20 pt deficit (albeit against the Kings). So many sides to the argument and no-one will ever agree. I'd be satisfied if anyone of Westbrook, Harden, Kawhi were to win... to be honest if it was Lebron or AD then I prob wouldn't argue against it either.
Kawhi does what he needs to to make his team win and nothing more, Westbrook does "everything", because thats the only way he thinks they can win (but don't)...big difference and I know who I'd take to build my team around, AND I'm a massive Westbrook fan. Even Harden has figured out how to balance it with his teammates (who are considerably better than Westbrooks teammates).
also another point is they are all offensive stats. Leonard does alot on the defensive side of the ball which is not looked at.
but the biggest thing is how efficiently they are putting up those numbers.
Leonard 49% 39% and 90%
Westbrook 42% 34% and 84%
thats a huge discrepancy
and then we have Russ committing 5.5 turnovers to Leoanards 2 which has to count against his assist discrepancy.
end of the day all playing for second place anyway. 26 points on 54% FG with 40% 3pt with 8 rebound and 9 assists is by far the best stat line.
I just laid $20 on Kawhi @ $8, they're only 1.5 games behind GSW now. Already cashed out for profit on Harden and have Westbrook covered.
Quote from: Holz on March 09, 2017, 05:19:39 PM
Quote from: jvalles69 on March 09, 2017, 05:10:52 PM
Quote from: Mat0369 on March 09, 2017, 04:51:08 PM
26.3 PPG, 6.0 RPG, 3.4 APG
Those are the numbers Kawhi Leonard is averaging right now
25.1 PPG, 8.2 RPG, 7.8 APG
Those are the numbers Russell Westbrook would finish with if he didn't notch a single point, rebound, or assist in his remaining 18 games.
And there in lies the debate...
Personally I think what Westbrook has done is incredible and no doubt in my mind that he's edging in the lead over Harden for MVP...but then you can go to "who's most important to their team", and I still think Westbrook takes that too, Kawhi and Aldridge both sat out today and Spurs came back from a 20 pt deficit (albeit against the Kings). So many sides to the argument and no-one will ever agree. I'd be satisfied if anyone of Westbrook, Harden, Kawhi were to win... to be honest if it was Lebron or AD then I prob wouldn't argue against it either.
Kawhi does what he needs to to make his team win and nothing more, Westbrook does "everything", because thats the only way he thinks they can win (but don't)...big difference and I know who I'd take to build my team around, AND I'm a massive Westbrook fan. Even Harden has figured out how to balance it with his teammates (who are considerably better than Westbrooks teammates).
also another point is they are all offensive stats. Leonard does alot on the defensive side of the ball which is not looked at.
but the biggest thing is how efficiently they are putting up those numbers.
Leonard 49% 39% and 90%
Westbrook 42% 34% and 84%
thats a huge discrepancy
and then we have Russ committing 5.5 turnovers to Leoanards 2 which has to count against his assist discrepancy.
end of the day all playing for second place anyway. 26 points on 54% FG with 40% 3pt with 8 rebound and 9 assists is by far the best stat line.
I enjoy that Harden has already broken the single season turnover record - his own - with 17 games left
Guys a reminder that individual turnovers are only relevant when the team has a high amount of turnovers. If someone is handling the ball a tonne then obviously he will have a higher share of the team's turnovers.
Quote from: plumdog millionaire on March 09, 2017, 06:38:48 PM
Guys a reminder that individual turnovers are only relevant when the team has a high amount of turnovers. If someone is handling the ball a tonne then obviously he will have a higher share of the team's turnovers.
Explain CP3 then. :P
As much as I admire what Westbrook is doing, and as much as I want him to win MVP and average a triple-double this season. I'm getting so frustrated not getting any W's. OKC are still in touching distance of making the 4th playoff seed.
Through the first half of the season, I was in awe of the records he was breaking, but I found myself when he scored 58 the other day being frustrated with not getting an important win. We have the spurs tomorrow and that's going to make it tough to get further up the West.
If we can reach 6th we have a chance of reaching the second round but none against the spurs and if we're not careful the Warriors.
With the acquisition of Gibson, I reckon we're going to move Kanter at the end of the year and develop Sabonis under Taj. Good move as with that cap space can sign a great 2nd and 3rd option for Westbrook to work with.
Also, Westbrook will average the points and assists. He only needs to average 8.3 for the rest of the season to get that triple-double.
I could go on and on with my frustrations with the Thunder but it's no use. It's upsetting to see what's happened this season and i'll follow them throughout but it's got to a point where i'm not enjoying what Westbrook is doing anymore and thats sad.
The one thing I'm really loving is that there's no risk of me feeling disappointed about the MVP result. As long as one of Harden, Leonard, Westbrook, James win, they deserve it. Sure, the others could feel robbed but 3 of those 4 are going to miss out anyway.
In a perfect world, we'd get some kind of miracle 4-way tie!
Quote from: Cookie Monster on March 10, 2017, 12:33:12 AM
As much as I admire what Westbrook is doing, and as much as I want him to win MVP and average a triple-double this season. I'm getting so frustrated not getting any W's. OKC are still in touching distance of making the 4th playoff seed.
Through the first half of the season, I was in awe of the records he was breaking, but I found myself when he scored 58 the other day being frustrated with not getting an important win. We have the spurs tomorrow and that's going to make it tough to get further up the West.
If we can reach 6th we have a chance of reaching the second round but none against the spurs and if we're not careful the Warriors.
With the acquisition of Gibson, I reckon we're going to move Kanter at the end of the year and develop Sabonis under Taj. Good move as with that cap space can sign a great 2nd and 3rd option for Westbrook to work with.
Also, Westbrook will average the points and assists. He only needs to average 8.3 for the rest of the season to get that triple-double.
I could go on and on with my frustrations with the Thunder but it's no use. It's upsetting to see what's happened this season and i'll follow them throughout but it's got to a point where i'm not enjoying what Westbrook is doing anymore and thats sad.
I've always wondered why there's not more Blake to OKC talk being his home town
If Kawhi rests Spurs still win, how many games OKC gonna win if Russ sits ;D
If he averages the triple double on the season he will win the MVP, if not he won't win it :-X
just a fun stat to see what would happend if other players had there numbers adjusted to Westbrook ussage.
Westbrook 32.1 PPG 10.5 RPG 10 APG 5.5 TOV
Harden 35.6 PPG 9.7 RPG 13.7 APG 7.1 TOV
Kawhi 34.8 PPG 7.9 RPG 4.5 APG 2.6 TOV
Lebron 36.7 RPG 11.6 RPG 12.4 APG 5.9 TOV
does make Westbrooks Turnovers look much better and harden shocking. Lebron is insane though, clearly the best player in the league.
pretty much every year people clutch to some flimsy argument on why the real best player shouldn't win. This year its a made up stat of triple doubles.
forget winning games, forget efficiency and how often you have it in your hands, forget turnovers, forget how you make others around you better.
im giving Lebron his 3rd straight RMVP and 8th total RMVP. Only guy in the last 9 years legitimately won a MVP over him and that is Kevin Durrant.
Quote from: Holz on March 10, 2017, 01:46:03 PM
just a fun stat to see what would happend if other players had there numbers adjusted to Westbrook ussage.
Westbrook 32.1 PPG 10.5 RPG 10 APG 5.5 TOV
Harden 35.6 PPG 9.7 RPG 13.7 APG 7.1 TOV
Kawhi 34.8 PPG 7.9 RPG 4.5 APG 2.6 TOV
Lebron 36.7 RPG 11.6 RPG 12.4 APG 5.9 TOV
does make Westbrooks Turnovers look much better and harden shocking. Lebron is insane though, clearly the best player in the league.
pretty much every year people clutch to some flimsy argument on why the real best player shouldn't win. This year its a made up stat of triple doubles.
forget winning games, forget efficiency and how often you have it in your hands, forget turnovers, forget how you make others around you better.
im giving Lebron his 3rd straight RMVP and 8th total RMVP. Only guy in the last 9 years legitimately won a MVP over him and that is Kevin Durrant.
How can you say Durant deserved his MVP but Curry didn't (last year's one)? That was one of the most insane and efficient seasons ever.
It isn't a flimsy stat, it has been done once in the history of the NBA and it would need to be acknowledged by those with votes...
If you adjust Russ' numbers to the Oscar era he is averaging something ridiculous like 45/15/15
Quote from: LaHug on March 10, 2017, 02:38:21 PM
Quote from: Holz on March 10, 2017, 01:46:03 PM
just a fun stat to see what would happend if other players had there numbers adjusted to Westbrook ussage.
Westbrook 32.1 PPG 10.5 RPG 10 APG 5.5 TOV
Harden 35.6 PPG 9.7 RPG 13.7 APG 7.1 TOV
Kawhi 34.8 PPG 7.9 RPG 4.5 APG 2.6 TOV
Lebron 36.7 RPG 11.6 RPG 12.4 APG 5.9 TOV
does make Westbrooks Turnovers look much better and harden shocking. Lebron is insane though, clearly the best player in the league.
pretty much every year people clutch to some flimsy argument on why the real best player shouldn't win. This year its a made up stat of triple doubles.
forget winning games, forget efficiency and how often you have it in your hands, forget turnovers, forget how you make others around you better.
im giving Lebron his 3rd straight RMVP and 8th total RMVP. Only guy in the last 9 years legitimately won a MVP over him and that is Kevin Durrant.
How can you say Durant deserved his MVP but Curry didn't (last year's one)? That was one of the most insane and efficient seasons ever.
Simple.
if you compare 14 Durrant v Curry 16
Durrant 2 more rebounds and 1.4 less assists so lets balance those 2 categories out.
Durrant shot 39.1% from 3 point land to Curry's amazing 45.4% but they shot the same FG% so that means durrant was superior inside and he averaged 2 more points. So on offense slight edge to Durrant.
On defense I give big edge to Durrant.
lets end this curry hype from last season there was nothing all time great about it. What exactlye was all time great about it despite his 3 point percentage? you can make a claim it was all time great shooting season but certainly not an all time great season.
you need to take into account rebounding, passing, defending etc..
Quote from: RiOtChEsS on March 10, 2017, 02:55:06 PM
It isn't a flimsy stat, it has been done once in the history of the NBA and it would need to be acknowledged by those with votes...
If you adjust Russ' numbers to the Oscar era he is averaging something ridiculous like 45/15/15
question lets say he dips and goes 32 11 9.8 is he even in the conversation of MVP?
he has by far the most usage so of course his stats will look great, he has the ball in his hands like 40% of the time and has a low shooting percentage.
You dont think that Lebron could handle the ball and average a triple double easy? hes not that far off it with 29% ussage.
it is a useless stat getting a tripple double has absolutely no benefit to your team in the sense that 30 11 9 is no worse then 30 10 10 and yet one is a tripple double and one is not.
There is one impressive stat for Westbrook and that is that he is averaging that high in rebounds at his height. Does it really help his team? could he be saving that energy to use somewhere else?
He is clearly exerting more energy then Lebron and Leonard because deep down he knows the playoffs he cant win so why not go hard for a regular season award.
people have come very close magic almost did it in his 3rd year and easily could have done it but was smart enough to focus on his assits over his rebounding. He once went 23 7.9 12.8, you dont think he could have got those 2 rebounds if he wanted to if he sacrificed some of his passing.
Curry's shooting last season is the reason they won so many, his irrational confidence in his shot, the way defences curved to him, the way he finished at the rim.
It was an all time season. Also we all know his defensive weaknesses but he is improved and the warriors didnt pay for him being on floor.
Quote from: killerbees on March 10, 2017, 03:11:30 PM
Curry's shooting last season is the reason they won so many, his irrational confidence in his shot, the way defences curved to him, the way he finished at the rim.
It was an all time season. Also we all know his defensive weaknesses but he is improved and the warriors didnt pay for him being on floor.
yeah all time 3 point shooting season. thats one facet of the game.
as i said Durrant is a great shooter, better then curry inside, a better re bounder and a better defender.
im not the biggest Jordan fan but he had 7-8 better seasons, was leaps ahead of curry in everything but shooting.
how about prime shaq?
how about Magic and Kareem?
the only thing curry did better was shoot.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAkmWEDsmeM
Pretty good non stat points about westbrook.
Quote from: Holz on March 10, 2017, 03:05:58 PM
Quote from: RiOtChEsS on March 10, 2017, 02:55:06 PM
It isn't a flimsy stat, it has been done once in the history of the NBA and it would need to be acknowledged by those with votes...
If you adjust Russ' numbers to the Oscar era he is averaging something ridiculous like 45/15/15
question lets say he dips and goes 32 11 9.8 is he even in the conversation of MVP?
he has by far the most usage so of course his stats will look great, he has the ball in his hands like 40% of the time and has a low shooting percentage.
You dont think that Lebron could handle the ball and average a triple double easy? hes not that far off it with 29% ussage.
it is a useless stat getting a tripple double has absolutely no benefit to your team in the sense that 30 11 9 is no worse then 30 10 10 and yet one is a tripple double and one is not.
There is one impressive stat for Westbrook and that is that he is averaging that high in rebounds at his height. Does it really help his team? could he be saving that energy to use somewhere else?
He is clearly exerting more energy then Lebron and Leonard because deep down he knows the playoffs he cant win so why not go hard for a regular season award.
people have come very close magic almost did it in his 3rd year and easily could have done it but was smart enough to focus on his assits over his rebounding. He once went 23 7.9 12.8, you dont think he could have got those 2 rebounds if he wanted to if he sacrificed some of his passing.
You make some valid points... however
Nobody else "is doing it" you cannot marginalize something that has been done once in NBA history, defies logic
As i said previously, if he does not average the Triple Double he does not win the MVP because all the other factors such as team record, efficiency, usage etc etc start to work against him, when you try to quantify something so impressive that it has literally only been done once across an entire season, it can only mean one thing...
When Westbrook triple doubles Thunder are 25/6, when he doesn't they are 11/23
Quote from: Holz on March 10, 2017, 03:17:29 PM
Quote from: killerbees on March 10, 2017, 03:11:30 PM
Curry's shooting last season is the reason they won so many, his irrational confidence in his shot, the way defences curved to him, the way he finished at the rim.
It was an all time season. Also we all know his defensive weaknesses but he is improved and the warriors didnt pay for him being on floor.
yeah all time 3 point shooting season. thats one facet of the game.
as i said Durrant is a great shooter, better then curry inside, a better re bounder and a better defender.
im not the biggest Jordan fan but he had 7-8 better seasons, was leaps ahead of curry in everything but shooting.
how about prime shaq?
how about Magic and Kareem?
the only thing curry did better was shoot.
Not discounting what any of them did, why do we need to discount others to say we saw greatness?
He changed the whole trajectory of the game for probably the next 5-10 years with the way he shot.
Comparing the rebounding of a PG against that of a 7 foot durant is not really relevant.
That warriors team that won the title then into 73 wins was built around Steph's gravitational pull, simple as that. There's a Simmons podcast on it where it points out why and how it's all time. If you are anti Steph it wont change your opinion i'm sure, but we def saw an all time season, it's also not purely about statistics i felt the same way watching Steph last year that i did watching peak MJ/Kobe/Shaq and seeing guys like Lebron and I saw Durant drop 43 on lakers in 14 live, you know you are watching something all time.
Watching Russ this year is a 1 man wrecking ball that i'm sure we will talk about for a long time. They got the W today based on him doing it all not just scoring.
Quote from: Holz on March 10, 2017, 02:55:47 PM
Quote from: LaHug on March 10, 2017, 02:38:21 PM
Quote from: Holz on March 10, 2017, 01:46:03 PM
just a fun stat to see what would happend if other players had there numbers adjusted to Westbrook ussage.
Westbrook 32.1 PPG 10.5 RPG 10 APG 5.5 TOV
Harden 35.6 PPG 9.7 RPG 13.7 APG 7.1 TOV
Kawhi 34.8 PPG 7.9 RPG 4.5 APG 2.6 TOV
Lebron 36.7 RPG 11.6 RPG 12.4 APG 5.9 TOV
does make Westbrooks Turnovers look much better and harden shocking. Lebron is insane though, clearly the best player in the league.
pretty much every year people clutch to some flimsy argument on why the real best player shouldn't win. This year its a made up stat of triple doubles.
forget winning games, forget efficiency and how often you have it in your hands, forget turnovers, forget how you make others around you better.
im giving Lebron his 3rd straight RMVP and 8th total RMVP. Only guy in the last 9 years legitimately won a MVP over him and that is Kevin Durrant.
How can you say Durant deserved his MVP but Curry didn't (last year's one)? That was one of the most insane and efficient seasons ever.
Durrant shot 39.1% from 3 point land to Curry's amazing 45.4% but they shot the same FG% so that means durrant was superior inside and he averaged 2 more points. So on offense slight edge to Durrant.
Nope. Not even close to right. Curry had a better 3PT%
and 2PT% (SC: 56.6% vs. KD: 54.9%). The only reason Durant had a better FG% was because he took WAY more shots inside than Curry (9 out of 20.2 attempts for Curry, 14.8 out of 20.8 for Durant). It's called Simpson's Paradox.
Advanced stats
also show Curry was better on offence.
TS% - SC: 66.9% vs. KD: 63.5% (KD is close here because of his incredibly high number of free throws)
EFG% - SC: 63.0% vs. KD: 56.0%
So Curry was much more efficient, scoring 1.9 fewer points on approximately 5 fewer scoring possessions per game. Slightly fewer turnovers and 1.4 more assists is actually significant too. I would say Curry has a big edge over Durant's '14 season on offence and think it's laughable to say Durant has a slight edge or any edge at all.
I'm not saying Durant didn't deserve his (he very much did) but to say Curry didn't is just hating for the sake of hating.
Some other fun facts we missed...
Net rating - SC: 18.3 vs. KD: 8.0 (yes, Curry's team was 18.3 points better than opponents when he was on the floor)
Usage - SC: 32.0 vs. KD: 32.7 (slightly higher usage and slightly fewer assists leading to slightly more points... checks out)
TO ratio - SC: 10.2 vs. KD: 10.3 (well, about the same here)
Steals - SC: 2.1 vs. KD: 1.3 (but KD had a "big edge" on D...)
Blocks - SC: 0.2 vs. KD: 0.7 (oh, there it is! that half a block per game was the big deal, of course)
Team record - SC: 73-9 vs. KD: 59-23
I could go on... I'm not even trying to say Curry's season was definitively better than KD's (although I personally believe it was) but I think I've made my point that he definitely deserved the MVP.
Quote from: killerbees on March 10, 2017, 03:39:52 PM
Quote from: Holz on March 10, 2017, 03:17:29 PM
Quote from: killerbees on March 10, 2017, 03:11:30 PM
Curry's shooting last season is the reason they won so many, his irrational confidence in his shot, the way defences curved to him, the way he finished at the rim.
It was an all time season. Also we all know his defensive weaknesses but he is improved and the warriors didnt pay for him being on floor.
yeah all time 3 point shooting season. thats one facet of the game.
as i said Durrant is a great shooter, better then curry inside, a better re bounder and a better defender.
im not the biggest Jordan fan but he had 7-8 better seasons, was leaps ahead of curry in everything but shooting.
how about prime shaq?
how about Magic and Kareem?
the only thing curry did better was shoot.
Not discounting what any of them did, why do we need to discount others to say we saw greatness?
He changed the whole trajectory of the game for probably the next 5-10 years with the way he shot.
Comparing the rebounding of a PG against that of a 7 foot durant is not really relevant.
That warriors team that won the title then into 73 wins was built around Steph's gravitational pull, simple as that. There's a Simmons podcast on it where it points out why and how it's all time. If you are anti Steph it wont change your opinion i'm sure, but we def saw an all time season, it's also not purely about statistics i felt the same way watching Steph last year that i did watching peak MJ/Kobe/Shaq and seeing guys like Lebron and I saw Durant drop 43 on lakers in 14 live, you know you are watching something all time.
Watching Russ this year is a 1 man wrecking ball that i'm sure we will talk about for a long time. They got the W today based on him doing it all not just scoring.
People are either horribly wrong or all using language incorrectly
All Time: more than all others have ever been
So we have been running for 61 seasons and lets say every year 4 players put up great performances. So out of the 244 best seasons out their on record last year from curry was the pinacle?
was this best season or even lets say top 5 of those 244 great performances.
If you saying there is 100 all time performances then yes curry was all time great.
the biggest point on which i havent even started on as this is a MVP discussion but needs to be said. He had a great regular season you cant even say he had a top 100 season of all time you need to qualifiy it with he had a top 100 regular season of all time as his playoffs was barely low end All Star.
and Curry isnt the only shooter on that team you cant give him all the credit for changing the NBA. There has be one man who has single handed changed the way the NBA works and that is Lebron with the creation of super teams in their prime driven by players and how much influence he has on players negotiating contracts.
im not anti steph i was the orginal steph cheerleader i dont like guys getting overhyped. So i defend what i think is correct. If anything im anti Jordan because im certainly pro Lebron and even then Jordan's worse is far far better then anything curry has ever done. He has had 2 MVP conversation regular seasons and put up decent all star playoff appearances.
Quote from: LaHug on March 10, 2017, 03:50:03 PM
was wrong on the scoring 2s thing so the numbers make sense.
i wont back down from the considerably better defender and steals doesn't make up for it especially when one is a guard and the other a forward.
stats and metrics can only tell you soo much. Unless Steph has totally fallen off a cliff from last year, if you watch a thunder game seriously who is the better player on the court and who impacts the defense the most?
Klay goes on the hardest guard anyway and teams attack curry. Never heard anyone say im going to go out and attack durrant on defense.
Quote from: killerbees on March 10, 2017, 11:12:33 AM
Quote from: Cookie Monster on March 10, 2017, 12:33:12 AM
As much as I admire what Westbrook is doing, and as much as I want him to win MVP and average a triple-double this season. I'm getting so frustrated not getting any W's. OKC are still in touching distance of making the 4th playoff seed.
Through the first half of the season, I was in awe of the records he was breaking, but I found myself when he scored 58 the other day being frustrated with not getting an important win. We have the spurs tomorrow and that's going to make it tough to get further up the West.
If we can reach 6th we have a chance of reaching the second round but none against the spurs and if we're not careful the Warriors.
With the acquisition of Gibson, I reckon we're going to move Kanter at the end of the year and develop Sabonis under Taj. Good move as with that cap space can sign a great 2nd and 3rd option for Westbrook to work with.
Also, Westbrook will average the points and assists. He only needs to average 8.3 for the rest of the season to get that triple-double.
I could go on and on with my frustrations with the Thunder but it's no use. It's upsetting to see what's happened this season and i'll follow them throughout but it's got to a point where i'm not enjoying what Westbrook is doing anymore and thats sad.
I've always wondered why there's not more Blake to OKC talk being his home town
I would like Blake on the team if he does join. But we desperately need another perimeter shooter to keep up with the rest.
Quote from: RiOtChEsS on March 10, 2017, 03:30:07 PM
When Westbrook triple doubles Thunder are 25/6, when he doesn't they are 11/23
THIS
The triple double is not empty stats or just trying to reach the triple double. If anything the fact he averages a triple double would make him win MVP even more.
You can't say all he's trying to do is get a triple double. Well he might considering we win when he does.
Quote from: Cookie Monster on March 10, 2017, 04:12:07 PM
Quote from: RiOtChEsS on March 10, 2017, 03:30:07 PM
When Westbrook triple doubles Thunder are 25/6, when he doesn't they are 11/23
THIS
The triple double is not empty stats or just trying to reach the triple double. If anything the fact he averages a triple double would make him win MVP even more.
You can't say all he's trying to do is get a triple double. Well he might considering we win when he does.
cause an effect is in question though. Did they win becuase he got the triple double or where they winning an he put up the stats?
my whole argument is Lebron puts up 30 17 and 6. Is it more impressive if he puts up 30 10 10 and gets one of these "Triple Doubles"
take away 1 assist and give him a extra rebound and is he even getting talked about with 32 11.5 and 0?
Colin Cowherd brought up a good point, watch what happens when people leave him they almost always do far better. Durant, Harden, Jackson, Scott Brooks in DC and even Ibaka looking good in Toronto.
He actually doesnt have that bad a cast either Oladipo, Adams, Kanter, Sabonis, Gibson, McDermot. These guys arent scrubs they are probably just annoyed watching westbrook jack up 3s and grabbing rebounds. What do you want them to do? they have big guys let them get the boards, they have better 3 point shooters let them shoot.
I dont blame Durrant for leaving anymore
Quote from: Holz on March 10, 2017, 04:19:59 PM
Quote from: Cookie Monster on March 10, 2017, 04:12:07 PM
Quote from: RiOtChEsS on March 10, 2017, 03:30:07 PM
When Westbrook triple doubles Thunder are 25/6, when he doesn't they are 11/23
THIS
The triple double is not empty stats or just trying to reach the triple double. If anything the fact he averages a triple double would make him win MVP even more.
You can't say all he's trying to do is get a triple double. Well he might considering we win when he does.
cause an effect is in question though. Did they win becuase he got the triple double or where they winning an he put up the stats?
my whole argument is Lebron puts up 30 17 and 6. Is it more impressive if he puts up 30 10 10 and gets one of these "Triple Doubles"
take away 1 assist and give him a extra rebound and is he even getting talked about with 32 11.5 and 0?
I'l say it again, "once in the history of the NBA" clearly it is more impressive
Before you stated 40 something usage rating, now you want to query whether or not he may have been responsible for winning ???
Quote from: Holz on March 10, 2017, 04:19:59 PM
Quote from: Cookie Monster on March 10, 2017, 04:12:07 PM
Quote from: RiOtChEsS on March 10, 2017, 03:30:07 PM
When Westbrook triple doubles Thunder are 25/6, when he doesn't they are 11/23
THIS
The triple double is not empty stats or just trying to reach the triple double. If anything the fact he averages a triple double would make him win MVP even more.
You can't say all he's trying to do is get a triple double. Well he might considering we win when he does.
cause an effect is in question though. Did they win becuase he got the triple double or where they winning an he put up the stats?
my whole argument is Lebron puts up 30 17 and 6. Is it more impressive if he puts up 30 10 10 and gets one of these "Triple Doubles"
take away 1 assist and give him a extra rebound and is he even getting talked about with 32 11.5 and 0?
The argument you're making for Lebron is similar to the one that could have been made in the whole 00's.
I don't disagree with that at all. The MVP award is wrongly named or wrongly given almost every year. If you're talking most "valuable"... Take Westbrook of the Thunder and they're the worst team in the league. Take Lebron of the Cavs and although they'll drop they still have players capable of carrying the team to W's. (Even though their record without Lebron this season doesn't say so)
Also, if Lebron consistently put up say 30-15-8 and averages that then it's a different story this year. Exactly why it's a two way race between Harden and Westbrook.
But Lebron averages 26-8-8, to AVERAGE 32-10-10 is something else. Done once before in history.
Quote from: RiOtChEsS on March 10, 2017, 04:27:25 PM
Quote from: Holz on March 10, 2017, 04:19:59 PM
Quote from: Cookie Monster on March 10, 2017, 04:12:07 PM
Quote from: RiOtChEsS on March 10, 2017, 03:30:07 PM
When Westbrook triple doubles Thunder are 25/6, when he doesn't they are 11/23
THIS
The triple double is not empty stats or just trying to reach the triple double. If anything the fact he averages a triple double would make him win MVP even more.
You can't say all he's trying to do is get a triple double. Well he might considering we win when he does.
cause an effect is in question though. Did they win becuase he got the triple double or where they winning an he put up the stats?
my whole argument is Lebron puts up 30 17 and 6. Is it more impressive if he puts up 30 10 10 and gets one of these "Triple Doubles"
take away 1 assist and give him a extra rebound and is he even getting talked about with 32 11.5 and 0?
I'l say it again, "once in the history of the NBA" clearly it is more impressive
Before you stated 40 something usage rating, now you want to query whether or not he may have been responsible for winning ???
hes a top 5 player and its a star driven league of course he has alot of the reason they win.
So they beat the spurs today and he recorded another tripple double. Did they win because of him?
7/21 shooting with 1/6 from 3 point land.
Kanter put up 14 points on 6/10 shooting with 6 offensive rebounds.
Oladipo put up 20 points on 8/14 shooting with 3/4 3 pointers
adams put up 11 points on 5/8 shooting
want to know what the tagline is on NBA Australia
Westbrook records 31st triple double as Thunder tops Spurs.
and now you have another game to show hey westbrook tripple double and the team won. Good job wesbrook. forget the 19/32 shooting from the above 3 guys it was all westbrook.
Do you think those guys are nearly as good without Westbrook?
Quote from: Holz on March 10, 2017, 04:38:25 PM
Quote from: RiOtChEsS on March 10, 2017, 04:27:25 PM
Quote from: Holz on March 10, 2017, 04:19:59 PM
Quote from: Cookie Monster on March 10, 2017, 04:12:07 PM
Quote from: RiOtChEsS on March 10, 2017, 03:30:07 PM
When Westbrook triple doubles Thunder are 25/6, when he doesn't they are 11/23
THIS
The triple double is not empty stats or just trying to reach the triple double. If anything the fact he averages a triple double would make him win MVP even more.
You can't say all he's trying to do is get a triple double. Well he might considering we win when he does.
cause an effect is in question though. Did they win becuase he got the triple double or where they winning an he put up the stats?
my whole argument is Lebron puts up 30 17 and 6. Is it more impressive if he puts up 30 10 10 and gets one of these "Triple Doubles"
take away 1 assist and give him a extra rebound and is he even getting talked about with 32 11.5 and 0?
I'l say it again, "once in the history of the NBA" clearly it is more impressive
Before you stated 40 something usage rating, now you want to query whether or not he may have been responsible for winning ???
hes a top 5 player and its a star driven league of course he has alot of the reason they win.
So they beat the spurs today and he recorded another tripple double. Did they win because of him?
7/21 shooting with 1/6 from 3 point land.
Kanter put up 14 points on 6/10 shooting with 6 offensive rebounds.
Oladipo put up 20 points on 8/14 shooting with 3/4 3 pointers
adams put up 11 points on 5/8 shooting
want to know what the tagline is on NBA Australia
Westbrook records 31st triple double as Thunder tops Spurs.
and now you have another game to show hey westbrook tripple double and the team won. Good job wesbrook. forget the 19/32 shooting from the above 3 guys it was all westbrook.
You are just arguing for the sake of arguing, or whatever else the reason it is only valid to you
Quote from: RiOtChEsS on March 10, 2017, 04:43:13 PM
You are just arguing for the sake of arguing, or whatever else the reason it is only valid to you
Not at all.
I dont hate westbrook he's a great player and i have him ranked 5th in the NBA.
I just clearly see people overreacting to a "headline stat" a triple double is not a stat, its not a assist its not a point, its not a steal its just a title.
I see a highly talented player who is probably the best athlete in the game, go in day in and day out to kill himself to play the hardest he can to go out there to win but also to go out there in a quest to prove he is the best.
All the props in the world for him, but he is not the best player in the world, he is not the player anyone would pick to start their franchise, say if Boston wanted to pick a guy to push the cavs he is not that guy and im starting to think that he is too tough a guy to play with that he has a negative impact on others.
If that your definition of the MVP then soo be it. But im not arguing for the sake of it.
can definitely see im bias on curry and yes to a point i have a side and i will defend that but the west brook thing is totally different. I am not the only one who shares this opinion on westbrook.
all i have heard in his defense is the triple double stat, only been done once before.
Quote from: Holz on March 10, 2017, 03:59:15 PM
Quote from: killerbees on March 10, 2017, 03:39:52 PM
Quote from: Holz on March 10, 2017, 03:17:29 PM
Quote from: killerbees on March 10, 2017, 03:11:30 PM
Curry's shooting last season is the reason they won so many, his irrational confidence in his shot, the way defences curved to him, the way he finished at the rim.
It was an all time season. Also we all know his defensive weaknesses but he is improved and the warriors didnt pay for him being on floor.
yeah all time 3 point shooting season. thats one facet of the game.
as i said Durrant is a great shooter, better then curry inside, a better re bounder and a better defender.
im not the biggest Jordan fan but he had 7-8 better seasons, was leaps ahead of curry in everything but shooting.
how about prime shaq?
how about Magic and Kareem?
the only thing curry did better was shoot.
Not discounting what any of them did, why do we need to discount others to say we saw greatness?
He changed the whole trajectory of the game for probably the next 5-10 years with the way he shot.
Comparing the rebounding of a PG against that of a 7 foot durant is not really relevant.
That warriors team that won the title then into 73 wins was built around Steph's gravitational pull, simple as that. There's a Simmons podcast on it where it points out why and how it's all time. If you are anti Steph it wont change your opinion i'm sure, but we def saw an all time season, it's also not purely about statistics i felt the same way watching Steph last year that i did watching peak MJ/Kobe/Shaq and seeing guys like Lebron and I saw Durant drop 43 on lakers in 14 live, you know you are watching something all time.
Watching Russ this year is a 1 man wrecking ball that i'm sure we will talk about for a long time. They got the W today based on him doing it all not just scoring.
People are either horribly wrong or all using language incorrectly
All Time: more than all others have ever been
So we have been running for 61 seasons and lets say every year 4 players put up great performances. So out of the 244 best seasons out their on record last year from curry was the pinacle?
was this best season or even lets say top 5 of those 244 great performances.
If you saying there is 100 all time performances then yes curry was all time great.
the biggest point on which i havent even started on as this is a MVP discussion but needs to be said. He had a great regular season you cant even say he had a top 100 season of all time you need to qualifiy it with he had a top 100 regular season of all time as his playoffs was barely low end All Star.
and Curry isnt the only shooter on that team you cant give him all the credit for changing the NBA. There has be one man who has single handed changed the way the NBA works and that is Lebron with the creation of super teams in their prime driven by players and how much influence he has on players negotiating contracts.
im not anti steph i was the orginal steph cheerleader i dont like guys getting overhyped. So i defend what i think is correct. If anything im anti Jordan because im certainly pro Lebron and even then Jordan's worse is far far better then anything curry has ever done. He has had 2 MVP conversation regular seasons and put up decent all star playoff appearances.
You are very caught on semantics.
Was it arguably the greatest SHOOTING season of all time? Most metrics would say its not even an argument.
Has it changed the way - sure along with his team but it's Steph pulling up from 35 feet - that kids play in high school now and thus changed the way the NBA looks for the next 10 years as they come through?
Why cant the all time greatest shooting season be an all time great season?
Lebron is more influential and better than Kobe and will end his career top 5 all time, nobody is discounting that, but i think you are massively undervaluing Steph's run
Quote from: killerbees on March 10, 2017, 05:18:10 PM
You are very caught on semantics.
Why cant the all time greatest shooting season be an all time great season?
when there where headlines likes this "Stephen Curry just finished the greatest individual regular season in NBA history"
then im not getting caught on semantics.
all time - means the best of all time.
If people throw out those lines then what you are saying is he was better then anyone ever has been in the NBA. Which in my books is ridiculous.
might just be my but when i hear all time, greatest, best they mean its better then everything else.
I dare say Lebron is potentially the greatest ever and cop flack from everywhere (not just FF) then steph gets the greatest ever and anyone who goes against it is a hater, anti steph or just likes to argue.
I dont have his regular season in the top 20 and dont have his overall season in the top 100. So you see how crazy best ever seems to me.
Great post, Huggy! People are underrating Steph's 2015-16 because of what happened in the finals. His regular season was the greatest offensive season by an individual since MJ. Maybe an early 2000s Shaq year could come close or LeBron's 2nd season in Miami, but it's in the conversation that's for sure.
He had the best stats, and was the best player on the best regular season real in history. To say that LeBron deserved MVP that year is absurd.
As for Westbrook's usage, I liked Holz's post pointing out what other stars' stats would look like at Westbrook's usage, but as I've said before, there is no way that Westbrook's usage is a negative, because that's what's needed for the thunder to win games. If his usage was 25%, I could bet that OKC wouldn't even make the playoffs - just look at their numbers with Westbrook off the floor!
There is a huge flaw to saying if 'blah blah blah' had X usage they would be putting up those numbers. The more you have the ball the more room for error and fatigue. While I love Embiid, it's why I don't put a lot of stock in the if he played 40 minutes his stats would be this argument. You need to take into account a fatigue factor and the decline in performance when a player is fatigued. The fact that Russ is carrying the load the way he is and doing it on a nightly basis is incredible and shouldn't be diminished because he has his ball in his hands a lot of the time. You can say he is inefficient, but that comes back to attention he receives along with having to carry the load.
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There is a huge flaw to saying if 'blah blah blah' had X usage they would be putting up those numbers. The more you have the ball the more room for error and fatigue. While I love Embiid, it's why I don't put a lot of stock in the if he played 40 minutes his stats would be this argument. You need to take into account a fatigue factor and the decline in performance when a player is fatigued. The fact that Russ is carrying the load the way he is and doing it on a nightly basis is incredible and shouldn't be diminished because he has his ball in his hands a lot of the time. You can say he is inefficient, but that comes back to attention he receives along with having to carry the load.
Its all true but the calcs where rough and much higher then what hes doing as obviously lebron cant average 35 12 12.
Westbrook has never been effecient though even when he had durrant taking attention. As he takes over and iso's its why he is so great as a sole star on a team. But with 2 top 5 talents and another allstar they sg
Hould have won more.
Can only imagine what a 26 year old lebron and durrant would do teams.
Curry's 16>Durants 14. I'm fine with giving it to the best player on the best team I guess, but lets not start making excuses passed that for not giving it to LeBron. Def should be renamed Best Statistical Season if you want to give to the guy who has the statistical best year. Individually LeBron has given his team the best chance of winning a title since 2007. I'm way more filthy over Drose, Kobe etc winning it than giving it to Curry. Durant 14 you can argue but 73-9, had an insane reg season.
Ya know what, we're gonna make the playoffs and nobody is gonna wanna play us...
If Thunder finish 4th Westbrook is a lock for MVP.
He's a very strong chance if Thunder finish 5th or 6th.
Quote from: Cookie Monster on March 15, 2017, 04:16:42 PM
If Thunder finish 4th Westbrook is a lock for MVP.
He's a very strong chance if Thunder finish 5th or 6th.
just dont see it, his raw numbers look great but he's just so inefficient.
25 points from 33% shooting with 12 rebounds and a massive 19 assists but 5 turnovers in 34 minutes
however Lebron 16 points on 50% shooting with 12 rebounds and 11 assists with only 2 turnovers in 28 minutes
he is carrying a massive load but perhaps its too much. I reckon todays games pretty much reflect both players. Kinda depends what you value. I much prefer efficiency and not making mistakes. Plus he is only on pace to win 46 games.
Leonard on pace for 65
Harden on pace for 56
James on pace for 55
conspiracy theory but does westbrook go into this game against the nets with the plan of racking up assists as they where starting to dip below 10?
Quote from: Holz on March 15, 2017, 04:37:28 PM
Quote from: Cookie Monster on March 15, 2017, 04:16:42 PM
If Thunder finish 4th Westbrook is a lock for MVP.
He's a very strong chance if Thunder finish 5th or 6th.
just dont see it, his raw numbers look great but he's just so inefficient.
25 points from 33% shooting with 12 rebounds and a massive 19 assists but 5 turnovers in 34 minutes
however Lebron 16 points on 50% shooting with 12 rebounds and 11 assists with only 2 turnovers in 28 minutes
he is carrying a massive load but perhaps its too much. I reckon todays games pretty much reflect both players. Kinda depends what you value. I much prefer efficiency and not making mistakes. Plus he is only on pace to win 46 games.
Leonard on pace for 65
Harden on pace for 56
James on pace for 55
conspiracy theory but does westbrook go into this game against the nets with the plan of racking up assists as they where starting to dip below 10?
I see it as, IF Thunder finish 4th, they only drop one placing in the Western Conference from last year after losing Durant.
Also, Harden averages more TOV a game than Westbrook.
I'm not against Kawahi or Harden winning it and to a lesser extent Lebron. But if Westbrook pulls this Thunder team to get a home court advantage in the first round of the playoffs then I don't think you can look past him.
Also on the run home the Thunder only play 4 teams with better records, so there's still every chance he can get to 50 wins. Very tough to do so, but I wouldn't rule it out.
Also, I find it a bit degrading to Westbrook that people might think he plays to get stats.
Quote from: Cookie Monster on March 15, 2017, 04:55:32 PM
I see it as, IF Thunder finish 4th, they only drop one placing in the Western Conference from last year after losing Durant.
yeah but dont games won count more then seedings?
if they win 46 games and finish 4th, thats quite abit away from the 55 games they won last year.
add to that they did add a little, so would argue they have a better squad then they had last year (excluding Durrant who missed 10 games).
once you take into account the east he plays for the 10th best team in the NBA out of 30 so only slightly above average,
If Westbrook had teamates who could hit wide open looks he's average plenty more assists, i think the nights he spikes tend to be when they are making looks.
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Quote from: Cookie Monster on March 15, 2017, 04:55:32 PM
I see it as, IF Thunder finish 4th, they only drop one placing in the Western Conference from last year after losing Durant.
yeah but dont games won count more then seedings?
if they win 46 games and finish 4th, thats quite abit away from the 55 games they won last year.
add to that they did add a little, so would argue they have a better squad then they had last year (excluding Durrant who missed 10 games).
once you take into account the east he plays for the 10th best team in the NBA out of 30 so only slightly above average,
Sorry Holz, just checking - you're not comparing the team w/out Durant to the team now?? ??? :o ;)
Or are you comparing them now to the 10-game team from last season minus Durant?? ;)
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Quote from: Holz on March 15, 2017, 05:14:17 PM
Quote from: Cookie Monster on March 15, 2017, 04:55:32 PM
I see it as, IF Thunder finish 4th, they only drop one placing in the Western Conference from last year after losing Durant.
yeah but dont games won count more then seedings?
if they win 46 games and finish 4th, thats quite abit away from the 55 games they won last year.
add to that they did add a little, so would argue they have a better squad then they had last year (excluding Durrant who missed 10 games).
once you take into account the east he plays for the 10th best team in the NBA out of 30 so only slightly above average,
Sorry Holz, just checking - you're not comparing the team w/out Durant to the team now?? ??? :o ;)
Or are you comparing them now to the 10-game team from last season minus Durant?? ;)
what i was trying to say is Durrant is a huge out but besides that they improved a little bit (not close to Durrant obvisouly) So if durrant is worth say -10 games the other additions might be worth +3 or 4.
so with the 10 games durrant missed I take OKC 17 over OKC 16.
Not going to discuss this anymore. Hes clearly having a great season and I rank him then 4th or 5th best player in the league. I prefer effeciency then just raw numbers. If you like raw numbers pick westbrook if you like efficiency, making others around you better and defence then pick a Lebron James.
Current order of MVP according to me.
1. Harden (just due to a better record)
2. Westbrook (unbelievable achievement if he gets it)
3. Kawhi (teams not stacked and they might take #1 seed, Kawhi da man)
4. Lebron (greatest player on the universe in cruise control)
Durant, it's DURANT!
D'Lo with one of the worst stat lines you'll see:
2/10 FG, 0/5 3PT, 1/2 FT, 7 TO AND he fouled out in 25 minutes!
Quote from: plumdog millionaire on March 16, 2017, 03:06:34 PM
D'Lo with one of the worst stat lines you'll see:
2/10 FG, 0/5 3PT, 1/2 FT, 7 TO AND he fouled out in 25 minutes!
:'(
Quote from: plumdog millionaire on March 16, 2017, 03:06:34 PM
D'Lo with one of the worst stat lines you'll see:
2/10 FG, 0/5 3PT, 1/2 FT, 7 TO AND he fouled out in 25 minutes!
its pretty terrible.
Almost David Wesley Terrible
0/13 FG, 1 Assist, 1 Rebound and 4 TOs with 4 PFs in 28 minutes.
however the most useless player ever is
Hollis Thompson
0/3 FG, 0 Rebounds 0 Assists 0 steals 0 Blocks but he did manage to get 1 Foul.
Quote from: Holz on March 16, 2017, 02:27:47 PM
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Quote from: Holz on March 15, 2017, 05:14:17 PM
Quote from: Cookie Monster on March 15, 2017, 04:55:32 PM
I see it as, IF Thunder finish 4th, they only drop one placing in the Western Conference from last year after losing Durant.
yeah but dont games won count more then seedings?
if they win 46 games and finish 4th, thats quite abit away from the 55 games they won last year.
add to that they did add a little, so would argue they have a better squad then they had last year (excluding Durrant who missed 10 games).
once you take into account the east he plays for the 10th best team in the NBA out of 30 so only slightly above average,
Sorry Holz, just checking - you're not comparing the team w/out Durant to the team now?? ??? :o ;)
Or are you comparing them now to the 10-game team from last season minus Durant?? ;)
what i was trying to say is Durrant is a huge out but besides that they improved a little bit (not close to Durrant obvisouly) So if durrant is worth say -10 games the other additions might be worth +3 or 4.
so with the 10 games durrant missed I take OKC 17 over OKC 16.
Not going to discuss this anymore. Hes clearly having a great season and I rank him then 4th or 5th best player in the league. I prefer effeciency then just raw numbers. If you like raw numbers pick westbrook if you like efficiency, making others around you better and defence then pick a Lebron James.
They lost Durant and Ibaka, so option 1 and 3 on offence.
Sabonis is a statue at that end. So is Roberson.
I'm not even close to saying Westbrook is the best player in the league, that is without a doubt Lebron, but he should 100% be top 2 in MVP this year. Tak ehim off that squad they win 15
Quote from: killerbees on March 16, 2017, 05:26:39 PM
They lost Durant and Ibaka, so option 1 and 3 on offence.
Sabonis is a statue at that end. So is Roberson.
Well they gained Oladipo.
Ibaka in 16 went 12.6 points
Oladipo going 16.4 points
thats what i was saying about others actually getting better. Was mainly Oladipo > Ibaka. Would have actually tipped OKC to win the West if they had Durrant.
The thing I want to watch is how Mcdermott goes. He is actually a good 3 point shooter (the only one Westbrook has) shooting 42.5% in 16 and was going at 37.3% in Chicago this year. Now done to 26.9%.
Just to see how good a passer Westbrook actually is. Yes he has loads of assists but does he make his team mates better. Like Kyle Korver has increased his 3 point percentage from 40.9% in Atlanta to 48.7% in Cleveland. A career high in makes per game.
Quote from: Holz on March 16, 2017, 04:46:18 PM
Quote from: plumdog millionaire on March 16, 2017, 03:06:34 PM
D'Lo with one of the worst stat lines you'll see:
2/10 FG, 0/5 3PT, 1/2 FT, 7 TO AND he fouled out in 25 minutes!
its pretty terrible.
Almost David Wesley Terrible
0/13 FG, 1 Assist, 1 Rebound and 4 TOs with 4 PFs in 28 minutes.
however the most useless player ever is
Hollis Thompson
0/3 FG, 0 Rebounds 0 Assists 0 steals 0 Blocks but he did manage to get 1 Foul.
Gee way to throw Hollis Thompson under the bus! Career 40% 3 point shooter!
Quote from: plumdog millionaire on March 16, 2017, 03:06:34 PM
D'Lo with one of the worst stat lines you'll see:
2/10 FG, 0/5 3PT, 1/2 FT, 7 TO AND he fouled out in 25 minutes!
His team mate Swaggy wasn't any better. 0-9 FG, 0-7 3P%, 3 rebounds and 1 foul.
Quote from: Mat0369 on March 16, 2017, 09:56:16 PM
Quote from: plumdog millionaire on March 16, 2017, 03:06:34 PM
D'Lo with one of the worst stat lines you'll see:
2/10 FG, 0/5 3PT, 1/2 FT, 7 TO AND he fouled out in 25 minutes!
His team mate Swaggy wasn't any better. 0-9 FG, 0-7 3P%, 3 rebounds and 1 foul.
Awful but slightly better than 7 TO's and 6 fouls
The Lakers are sooo woeful
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D'Lo with one of the worst stat lines you'll see:
2/10 FG, 0/5 3PT, 1/2 FT, 7 TO AND he fouled out in 25 minutes!
His team mate Swaggy wasn't any better. 0-9 FG, 0-7 3P%, 3 rebounds and 1 foul.
Awful but slightly better than 7 TO's and 6 fouls
The Lakers are sooo woeful
Jahlil did this to my fantasy team a few weeks ago... 4pts, 5fls, 7TO's...made his way to waivers shortly after.
Quote from: Holz on March 16, 2017, 05:48:44 PM
Quote from: killerbees on March 16, 2017, 05:26:39 PM
They lost Durant and Ibaka, so option 1 and 3 on offence.
Sabonis is a statue at that end. So is Roberson.
The thing I want to watch is how Mcdermott goes. He is actually a good 3 point shooter (the only one Westbrook has) shooting 42.5% in 16 and was going at 37.3% in Chicago this year. Now done to 26.9%.
Have you never watched basketball? Obviously McDermott is a three point shooter? He always has been. Go watch highlights from him at Creighton. Players have down patches and people make it sound like it's easy to change teams. Especially changing completely different systems. The Bulls are nothing like what McDermott is in atm
Quote from: Holz on March 16, 2017, 04:46:18 PM
Quote from: plumdog millionaire on March 16, 2017, 03:06:34 PM
D'Lo with one of the worst stat lines you'll see:
2/10 FG, 0/5 3PT, 1/2 FT, 7 TO AND he fouled out in 25 minutes!
its pretty terrible.
Almost David Wesley Terrible
0/13 FG, 1 Assist, 1 Rebound and 4 TOs with 4 PFs in 28 minutes.
Hey, Wesley was a +2 in that game! :P
A good example of how dodgy using plus/minus as a be all and end all stat can be..
Quote from: Jay on March 17, 2017, 11:17:01 AM
Quote from: Holz on March 16, 2017, 04:46:18 PM
Quote from: plumdog millionaire on March 16, 2017, 03:06:34 PM
D'Lo with one of the worst stat lines you'll see:
2/10 FG, 0/5 3PT, 1/2 FT, 7 TO AND he fouled out in 25 minutes!
its pretty terrible.
Almost David Wesley Terrible
0/13 FG, 1 Assist, 1 Rebound and 4 TOs with 4 PFs in 28 minutes.
Hey, Wesley was a +2 in that game! :P
A good example of how dodgy using plus/minus as a be all and end all stat can be..
I like using it when talking about games that end with a high winning margin, but someone has a low/negative +/- with high minutes. Basically Reggie Jackson :P
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Quote from: Holz on March 16, 2017, 04:46:18 PM
Quote from: plumdog millionaire on March 16, 2017, 03:06:34 PM
D'Lo with one of the worst stat lines you'll see:
2/10 FG, 0/5 3PT, 1/2 FT, 7 TO AND he fouled out in 25 minutes!
its pretty terrible.
Almost David Wesley Terrible
0/13 FG, 1 Assist, 1 Rebound and 4 TOs with 4 PFs in 28 minutes.
Hey, Wesley was a +2 in that game! :P
A good example of how dodgy using plus/minus as a be all and end all stat can be..
I like using it when talking about games that end with a high winning margin, but someone has a low/negative +/- with high minutes. Basically Reggie Jackson :P
I like looking at +/- for Cleveland games (while Love's been out) because the team is built so much on the Big 3 that you see things like LeBron +18 in 39 minutes but the team loses by 4 :P
Quote from: LaHug on March 17, 2017, 11:36:06 AM
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Quote from: Holz on March 16, 2017, 04:46:18 PM
Quote from: plumdog millionaire on March 16, 2017, 03:06:34 PM
D'Lo with one of the worst stat lines you'll see:
2/10 FG, 0/5 3PT, 1/2 FT, 7 TO AND he fouled out in 25 minutes!
its pretty terrible.
Almost David Wesley Terrible
0/13 FG, 1 Assist, 1 Rebound and 4 TOs with 4 PFs in 28 minutes.
Hey, Wesley was a +2 in that game! :P
A good example of how dodgy using plus/minus as a be all and end all stat can be..
I like using it when talking about games that end with a high winning margin, but someone has a low/negative +/- with high minutes. Basically Reggie Jackson :P
I like looking at +/- for Cleveland games (while Love's been out) because the team is built so much on the Big 3 that you see things like LeBron +18 in 39 minutes but the team loses by 4 :P
Haha yeah man also with Westbrook too!
Quote from: LaHug on March 17, 2017, 11:36:06 AM
Quote from: plumdog millionaire on March 17, 2017, 11:29:44 AM
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Quote from: Holz on March 16, 2017, 04:46:18 PM
Quote from: plumdog millionaire on March 16, 2017, 03:06:34 PM
D'Lo with one of the worst stat lines you'll see:
2/10 FG, 0/5 3PT, 1/2 FT, 7 TO AND he fouled out in 25 minutes!
its pretty terrible.
Almost David Wesley Terrible
0/13 FG, 1 Assist, 1 Rebound and 4 TOs with 4 PFs in 28 minutes.
Hey, Wesley was a +2 in that game! :P
A good example of how dodgy using plus/minus as a be all and end all stat can be..
I like using it when talking about games that end with a high winning margin, but someone has a low/negative +/- with high minutes. Basically Reggie Jackson :P
I like looking at +/- for Cleveland games (while Love's been out) because the team is built so much on the Big 3 that you see things like LeBron +18 in 39 minutes but the team loses by 4 :P
Love back in is huge. Cav's have been slipping but totally understandable without one of their important players.
happens every year Cavs look in trouble then gear up for finals and steam roll the east. How many East games do we see lebron and Co losing? my bet is on 3 or under.
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Quote from: Holz on March 16, 2017, 04:46:18 PM
Quote from: plumdog millionaire on March 16, 2017, 03:06:34 PM
D'Lo with one of the worst stat lines you'll see:
2/10 FG, 0/5 3PT, 1/2 FT, 7 TO AND he fouled out in 25 minutes!
its pretty terrible.
Almost David Wesley Terrible
0/13 FG, 1 Assist, 1 Rebound and 4 TOs with 4 PFs in 28 minutes.
Hey, Wesley was a +2 in that game! :P
A good example of how dodgy using plus/minus as a be all and end all stat can be..
I like using it when talking about games that end with a high winning margin, but someone has a low/negative +/- with high minutes. Basically Reggie Jackson :P
I like looking at +/- for Cleveland games (while Love's been out) because the team is built so much on the Big 3 that you see things like LeBron +18 in 39 minutes but the team loses by 4 :P
Love back in is huge. Cav's have been slipping but totally understandable without one of their important players.
happens every year Cavs look in trouble then gear up for finals and steam roll the east. How many East games do we see lebron and Co losing? my bet is on 3 or under.
I bet they lose 4 games, all to Miami in the first round.
i care more about getting 7 games of Celtics Wizards if I can.
4th-7th in the West is heating up nicely!
Could be all turned upside down by the end of the regular season!
Thunder played extremely well today, very proud to go on the road with a team in a very similar position to us and take control like we did. Hopefully we can consistently put up those type of performances.
Last year Thunder didn't really start catching anyones eyes until late in the season and even until Conference Semis, very different circumstances this season but hopefully we can come up big in these last 12 or so games.
I've always said and known that we're so much better when Westbrook puts up 25 points and 15 assists. We play so much better when everyone's involved.
Also, Toronto were 1 of the 4 teams that the Thunder play in the home stretch with a better record.
But for the West and those 4th-7th spots.
I feel Spurs will end up with the No.1 seed
Warriors will finish in 2nd with the Rockets at 3rd.
I don't see Utah falling very far but I can see the Thunder pulling up into 5th.
It'll be very tight under that but I think the Clippers will edge out the Grizzlies for 6th with Denver rounding out the 8.
Final Standings..
1. Spurs
2. Warriors
3. Rockets
4. Jazz
5. Thunder
6. Clippers
7. Grizzlies
8. Nuggets
Also as a Thunder fan, I can see us progressing into the Semi's if we play against Utah and we're a chance against the Rockets. The games against Houston this season have all been amazing and gone down to the buzzer and I would love to see a Thunder/Rockets series.
Bit optimistic I think there, CM. Can't see the Clipps falling any lower than 5th, and think that first round series with Utah will be awesome.
Also how good would Harden vs Westbrook be first round!
Clippers could very well drop. For the last 13 games they play, Cavs, an unpredictable dallas team twice, Utah, Washington, Spurs and Houston. As well as they can play and potentially win those games they have the same chance at losing.
Thunder on the other hand have a rather favourable draw playing only 3 teams with a better record than them.
Would love to see a Westbrook v Harden which is probably more possible outcome. But at the same time, I can very well see the Clips drop below and Thunder to play the Jazz in the first round.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BRt-MscFRpV/?taken-by=joelembiid&hl=en
Tatum looking the fireeee. Could leapfrog into #1. Celtics might like him. Still think Fultz>Ball>Tatum>Jackson is pretty set though. Unless Ball goes bananas on the biggest stage to back up a great season. High IQ PG matched with 2nd/3rd best coach with a super high bball IQ in the league is a pretty big deal
Was hearing a lot of good things about Rhode Island and they won me a couple of multi's but not today! They got so close!
Geez this end of the game by Lebron and Irving is impressive down 104 to 99 in the next 3 minutes.
Irving 3 pointer
James Layup
Irving 2/2 Free throw
Irving 3 pointer
James Layup
Irving 2/2 Free throw
James Rebound
James Layup
James 1/2 Layup
the 1 layup missed from James the only flaw.
exactly what you want to see, Irving taking the shots and James driving to the basket.
fully expect Skip to come out calling Irving the Batman of the team tomorrow though.
Irving/Lebron/Love combined for 101 of 125 points. Insane.
Quote from: Cookie Monster on March 20, 2017, 04:06:09 PM
Irving/Lebron/Love combined for 101 of 125 points. Insane.
agreed
Irving James for 28/43 shots is crazy.
even crazier is Westbrook has taken more shots then both combined, in a game this season.
He only hit 17 though.
Fortnightly Suns rant from j959:
Brandon Knight apparently refusing to play the rest of the season due to 'back spasms' ... but the implication is that he feels 'hard done by, by the organisation' this year ...
If that's the case, Phoenix fans say, "F U Brandon!!!" - you got paid, be a professional and do your flowering job!
what a cry-baby - if he was in a contract year and on a sh*tty contract I could understand but this is beyond a joke imo ... >:(
:P
valk, if we had got DMC, we would still s*ck so ... probably best for all involved ... ;)
I really, really hope The Heat get the 8th seed, i wanna go straight at The Cavs
Quote from: RiOtChEsS on March 22, 2017, 11:26:27 AM
I really, really hope The Heat get the 8th seed, i wanna go straight at The Cavs
I am so hype for playoff Dion
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Quote from: RiOtChEsS on March 22, 2017, 11:26:27 AM
I really, really hope The Heat get the 8th seed, i wanna go straight at The Cavs
I am so hype for playoff Dion
I wouldn't know as Im a Lebron fan but wouldn't it be better to enter the lottery then get swept in the first round? Really best case scenario is you win one home game and it goes to 5.
Seems a pretty decent draft so getting into the lottery might be a good idea.
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I really, really hope The Heat get the 8th seed, i wanna go straight at The Cavs
I am so hype for playoff Dion
I wouldn't know as Im a Lebron fan but wouldn't it be better to enter the lottery then get swept in the first round? Really best case scenario is you win one home game and it goes to 5.
Seems a pretty decent draft so getting into the lottery might be a good idea.
cool story bro
we are 21-4 through the last 25 games, including a win over Cleveland in Cleveland
everyone is playing their role, Waiters is a wildcard for sure
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Quote from: Holz on March 22, 2017, 12:12:29 PM
Quote from: plumdog millionaire on March 22, 2017, 11:48:55 AM
Quote from: RiOtChEsS on March 22, 2017, 11:26:27 AM
I really, really hope The Heat get the 8th seed, i wanna go straight at The Cavs
I am so hype for playoff Dion
I wouldn't know as Im a Lebron fan but wouldn't it be better to enter the lottery then get swept in the first round? Really best case scenario is you win one home game and it goes to 5.
Seems a pretty decent draft so getting into the lottery might be a good idea.
cool story bro
we are 21-4 through the last 25 games, including a win over Cleveland in Cleveland
everyone is playing their role, Waiters is a wildcard for sure
literally 2 games outta the 5th seed now 8)
have you not learnt a lesson the past 4 years? LeBron team coasts and in playoffs destroys. Atlanta with 4 all stars swept them in the reg season. Cavs than 4-0 them easy in the ecf. we will see the same thing again.
Quote from: Andrew3747 on March 22, 2017, 09:55:25 PM
have you not learnt a lesson the past 4 years? LeBron team coasts and in playoffs destroys. Atlanta with 4 all stars swept them in the reg season. Cavs than 4-0 them easy in the ecf. we will see the same thing again.
i dont care if we lose, we arent expected to win, but i want us to get a shot at them, a chance to crash the party ;)
Denver are blowing out a full-strength Cleveland.
They also blew out a GSW team -Thomspon.
With doubts over Durants return, GSW are only hopeful he'll return by the end of the regular season.
And assuming GSW finishes first in the West.
Anyone having thoughts of an upset? or just the Nuggets to push them to 6 or 7?
Devin Booker baybay!
Team is losing though ::)
DEVIN BOOKER WHAT THE FLOWERING FLOWER
Holy shower! Just checked the box score, 70 flowerin points, next best is Len and Barbosa with 11 ;D
Youngest player in league history to score 70. Dude isn't even 21 yet.
in other news, ball jst got owned by fox. 10 points on 38% shooting and 4 turnovers. fox dropped 39 on him.
Kings receive permission to talk to Sam Hinkie - trust the process
http://www.sactownroyalty.com/2017/3/27/15081232/sacramento-kings-gm-rumors-sam-hinkie-trust-the-kangz-trust-the-process
This Just In: Kings says they are "not hiring Sam Hinkie and have no plans to bring anyone in" above Vlade Divacvia @ESPN App http://es.pn/app
Quote from: Mat0369 on March 28, 2017, 02:23:05 PM
This Just In: Kings says they are "not hiring Sam Hinkie and have no plans to bring anyone in" above Vlade Divacvia @ESPN App http://es.pn/app
Cant find any references so far to this
It's on ESPN. The app popped up that message and I read the article
http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/245431/Kings-Deny-Report-Of-Bringing-In-Executive-Above-Vlade-Divac
A few more articles up over night
Loved this tweet from Woj:
(https://i.imgur.com/i1HK2qi.jpg)
Quote from: Mat0369 on March 25, 2017, 02:36:09 PM
Youngest player in league history to score 70. Dude isn't even 21 yet.
almost the only thing keeping me going these days ... :P :( ;)
Suns NBA championship - probably not in my lifetime ... :'( ;)
I think following the Thunder gives me an understanding of what it's like to be a Richmond fan.
I sort of gave the Thunder v Rockets game the other day as the ultimatum to who wins MVP. And now still think Harden will win.
But BOI is Westbrook making his case. 2 HUGE comeback wins with massive clutch plays to put us within one game of the Clippers in the 5th seed. He doesn't play like that we lose two in a row and are in danger of finishing seventh.
Thanks, Atlanta! Celts coming for that #1 seed 8)
Lakers winning 4 in a row has killed me. If we lose our pick :(
Quote from: LaHug on April 11, 2017, 09:47:26 AM
Lakers winning 4 in a row has killed me. If we lose our pick :(
Imagine...
Suns have won a couple as well to negate that. I hope they fall to 4 and we get 4 and 5
Anyone else not care at all about Westbrook's triple doubles? Just because we decided years ago that ten would be the first double digit number should not influence an MVP vote. Like, Russ put up 45, 10 and 9 the other day, that isn't a "triple double" but 10, 10 and 10 is? ??? Westbrook is in my top 2 for MVP and there's a perfectly good argument for him being #1 but it has nothing to do with "triple doubles". He's lead a pretty average supporting cast to ~47 wins and has won so many games by himself in the clutch this season. The guy has a 62% USG in the clutch and has a 57% TS (more efficient than Harden and at a higher USG) which is just unparalleled.
The other guy in my top 2 is Kawhi. 27.7 PER which is 2nd in the league, and 6th in offensive real plus-minus. Also how crazy is this stat from Tom Haberstroh.. "LeBron, Russ, Harden, George combine for 25.9 FG% in the clutch vs San Antonio." Guess who guards them?
I can't split them but I'm pretty certain they're my top 2. Might even have Isaiah at 3 tbh, he's 4th in offensive RPM and 7th in PER. Clutch stats: 46% USG, 65% TS, 55 eFG%. INSANE. Keep in mind the league average TS% is 55, eFG% 51 and USG 25%. And also that offensive efficiency generally goes down in the clutch with the defender dialled in. Has led a Celts team to ~53 wins and is one win away from taking the #1 seed off of LBJ who has far more talent around him than Isaiah.
Quote from: Jay on April 11, 2017, 07:34:11 PM
Anyone else not care at all about Westbrook's triple doubles? Just because we decided years ago that ten would be the first double digit number should not influence an MVP vote. Like, Russ put up 45, 10 and 9 the other day, that isn't a "triple double" but 10, 10 and 10 is? ??? Westbrook is in my top 2 for MVP and there's a perfectly good argument for him being #1 but it has nothing to do with "triple doubles". He's lead a pretty average supporting cast to ~47 wins and has won so many games by himself in the clutch this season. The guy has a 62% USG in the clutch and has a 57% TS (more efficient than Harden and at a higher USG) which is just unparalleled.
The other guy in my top 2 is Kawhi. 27.7 PER which is 2nd in the league, and 6th in offensive real plus-minus. Also how crazy is this stat from Tom Haberstroh.. "LeBron, Russ, Harden, George combine for 25.9 FG% in the clutch vs San Antonio." Guess who guards them?
I can't split them but I'm pretty certain they're my top 2. Might even have Isaiah at 3 tbh, he's 4th in offensive RPM and 7th in PER. Clutch stats: 46% USG, 65% TS, 55 eFG%. INSANE. Keep in mind the league average TS% is 55, eFG% 51 and USG 25%. And also that offensive efficiency generally goes down in the clutch with the defender dialled in. Has led a Celts team to ~53 wins and is one win away from taking the #1 seed off of LBJ who has far more talent around him than Isaiah.
Kawhi/Lebron/Westbrook for me, toss a coin i dont care who gets it all deserving
Since the All star break Lebrons +/- is ridiculous on that Cavs squad
With Clippers and Utah on same amount of wins, am I right in saying Clippers won't rest vs this Kings in the last game?
Quote from: R.Griffen on April 12, 2017, 11:06:41 AM
With Clippers and Utah on same amount of wins, am I right in saying Clippers won't rest vs this Kings in the last game?
Doesnt seem like the smart the to do
Quote from: killerbees on April 12, 2017, 10:19:20 AM
Quote from: Jay on April 11, 2017, 07:34:11 PM
Anyone else not care at all about Westbrook's triple doubles? Just because we decided years ago that ten would be the first double digit number should not influence an MVP vote. Like, Russ put up 45, 10 and 9 the other day, that isn't a "triple double" but 10, 10 and 10 is? ??? Westbrook is in my top 2 for MVP and there's a perfectly good argument for him being #1 but it has nothing to do with "triple doubles". He's lead a pretty average supporting cast to ~47 wins and has won so many games by himself in the clutch this season. The guy has a 62% USG in the clutch and has a 57% TS (more efficient than Harden and at a higher USG) which is just unparalleled.
The other guy in my top 2 is Kawhi. 27.7 PER which is 2nd in the league, and 6th in offensive real plus-minus. Also how crazy is this stat from Tom Haberstroh.. "LeBron, Russ, Harden, George combine for 25.9 FG% in the clutch vs San Antonio." Guess who guards them?
I can't split them but I'm pretty certain they're my top 2. Might even have Isaiah at 3 tbh, he's 4th in offensive RPM and 7th in PER. Clutch stats: 46% USG, 65% TS, 55 eFG%. INSANE. Keep in mind the league average TS% is 55, eFG% 51 and USG 25%. And also that offensive efficiency generally goes down in the clutch with the defender dialled in. Has led a Celts team to ~53 wins and is one win away from taking the #1 seed off of LBJ who has far more talent around him than Isaiah.
Kawhi/Lebron/Westbrook for me, toss a coin i dont care who gets it all deserving
Since the All star break Lebrons +/- is ridiculous on that Cavs squad
Totally agree with you its a made up stat add to the fact he isnt contested for shots and team mates are boxing out for him on free throws to pump up his rebound stats. Im not buying this we want him on fastbreak stuff. The tripple double leading to wins is also totallty bogus, its the other way around, when they are winning he is able to rack up the stat sheet.
once i deduct 2-3 rebounds for westbrook for the above 2 reasons then Harden is equal on rebounds averaging 1 more assist a game and 2 less points. However I dont think having a high usage is a plus its a negative, his numbers are comparable to harden which means Harden is doing just as much with the ball 20% less in his hands.
I give it to westbrook his efficiency has increase but harden is still 1%+ better.
Then we have Harden with 8 more wins then Westbrook.
Lebron deserves it every year as the best player but is having a record stat year on another front. 25+ 8+ 8+ on 54% or better shooting. Its just as made up as a triple double and he is on 8.6 8.7 so im sure if he really wanted to he could pump that up if he didn't defend like westbrook and team mates boxed out for him then getting another 1.4 rebounds isnt hard. then he could get the extra assists if that was his goal.
he is also second in Real Plus Minus behind Paul (who we know how important he is to the clippers)
West brook is great on the offensive side but is actually a negative on the defensive side with Defensive RPM of -0.59
Now we are getting calls for greatest regular season ever, after the same thing last year for Curry. people its prisoner of the moment in action.
Wins have to be taken into account given the hisotry of the award. Everybody knows Lebron was the finals MVP in 2015 but he didnt win becuase his team lost. Same reason I cant give the award to Russ even though I dont give it to him anyway.
Who should win the Award, Flip a coin on Leonard James Harden.
who will win Kayne Westbrook.
Quote from: valkorum on April 12, 2017, 11:13:27 AM
Quote from: R.Griffen on April 12, 2017, 11:06:41 AM
With Clippers and Utah on same amount of wins, am I right in saying Clippers won't rest vs this Kings in the last game?
Doesnt seem like the smart the to do
Fark I win around 3k if Kings win 2 more games. I had a heap of the under/over total season wins from start of the season all of them are won except for the Kings who lost to Lakers the other day and basically killed my chance
I think my favourite thing about Russ vs. Harden debate is that almost nobody is willing to say both deserve it. It's always "this is why the other guy doesn't deserve it at all". So many haters.
Quote from: R.Griffen on April 12, 2017, 11:36:43 AM
Quote from: valkorum on April 12, 2017, 11:13:27 AM
Quote from: R.Griffen on April 12, 2017, 11:06:41 AM
With Clippers and Utah on same amount of wins, am I right in saying Clippers won't rest vs this Kings in the last game?
Doesnt seem like the smart the to do
Fark I win around 3k if Kings win 2 more games. I had a heap of the under/over total season wins from start of the season all of them are won except for the Kings who lost to Lakers the other day and basically killed my chance
I think you are gonna fall 1 short.
I think we beat the Suns and lose to the Clippers
Quote from: LaHug on April 12, 2017, 11:41:33 AM
I think my favourite thing about Russ vs. Harden debate is that almost nobody is willing to say both deserve it. It's always "this is why the other guy doesn't deserve it at all". So many haters.
Its totally understandable if basically the discussion is down to these 2 guys when you think there are 2 better players not even in the real MVP discussion.
everybody knows Westbrook or Harden will win the award.
But i think there are lots of people who think Leonard or James should win it so of course they are going to be critical of the above 2 guys.
The other big thing is Lebron and Leonard are all round players, who are highly efficient and play defense. Both Harden and Westbrook are offensive monsters but they are not all round players they have big negatives on Defense, Efficiency and Turnovers.
What can you say bad about Kawhi?
His team is winning
He is highly efficient
Has great defense
Doesn't turn the ball over
Is totally unselfish and a great team player.
all you can say is his stats dont jump out at you.
Its not a hater to say for Westbrook
1. He isn't shooting efficiently
2. He is very very high usage
3. His team is just above average
4. He doesn't contest shots
5. He turns the ball over alot.
every single one of those are facts then you can add opinions with strong cases for
1. not a great defender
2. not a good team player (Durrant etc.. leaving, his teammates FG% dropping, his teammates are almost always better when they leave)
@holz
Take defence out of the equation - because we all know that means nothing when it comes to the MVP
Isiah Thomas MVP imo.
Good read: https://www.theplayerstribune.com/matt-bonner-nba-mvp-2017-kawhi-leonard/
Quote from: valkorum on April 12, 2017, 12:08:29 PM
@holz
Take defence out of the equation - because we all know that means nothing when it comes to the MVP
if you take defense out of the equation then i give the award to Harden with Westbrook the runerup.
Quote from: Holz on April 12, 2017, 01:57:51 PM
Quote from: valkorum on April 12, 2017, 12:08:29 PM
@holz
Take defence out of the equation - because we all know that means nothing when it comes to the MVP
if you take defense out of the equation then i give the award to Harden with Westbrook the runerup.
I think Westbrook wins it because of the triple double storyline, not because he is the better player. I think Harden has been more valuable a player than Westbrook (and that hurts me to say it cos I am not a fan of Harden).
Quote from: valkorum on April 12, 2017, 04:12:59 PM
Quote from: Holz on April 12, 2017, 01:57:51 PM
Quote from: valkorum on April 12, 2017, 12:08:29 PM
@holz
Take defence out of the equation - because we all know that means nothing when it comes to the MVP
if you take defense out of the equation then i give the award to Harden with Westbrook the runerup.
I think Westbrook wins it because of the triple double storyline, not because he is the better player. I think Harden has been more valuable a player than Westbrook (and that hurts me to say it cos I am not a fan of Harden).
Westbrook will win guranteed,
the Triple double will get him the win. I dont like harden either but I have him over Westbrook.
dont care much about the MVP anymore.
We all know who the best player is and its not whoever wins the MVP
What are you guys all smoking? Westbrook wins MVP hands down, he's had a season that prob won't ever be repeated (maybe only by him next season). Give it to him last week already!
just thought id look at Buddy Hield again.
not spectacular numbers but actually pretty decent for 28.8 minutes
15.1 points on 48% FG with 42.5% 3 pointers.
4.1 boards, 1.7 assists
showing something for a first year player.
Quote from: jvalles69 on April 12, 2017, 05:21:58 PM
What are you guys all smoking? Westbrook wins MVP hands down, he's had a season that prob won't ever be repeated (maybe only by him next season). Give it to him last week already!
Agree it probably wont be repeated (triple double) but thats not because others cant do it, its because they shouldn't do it.
Quote from: Holz on April 12, 2017, 05:25:01 PM
just thought id look at Buddy Hield again.
not spectacular numbers but actually pretty decent for 28.8 minutes
15.1 points on 48% FG with 42.5% 3 pointers.
4.1 boards, 1.7 assists
showing something for a first year player.
Are those numbers for the whole year?
I wouldnt mind seeing just the numbers since he was traded to Sacramento.
Quote from: valkorum on April 12, 2017, 05:35:40 PM
Quote from: Holz on April 12, 2017, 05:25:01 PM
just thought id look at Buddy Hield again.
not spectacular numbers but actually pretty decent for 28.8 minutes
15.1 points on 48% FG with 42.5% 3 pointers.
4.1 boards, 1.7 assists
showing something for a first year player.
Are those numbers for the whole year?
I wouldnt mind seeing just the numbers since he was traded to Sacramento.
sorry thats his numbers at the Kings.
Quote from: Holz on April 12, 2017, 05:26:41 PM
Quote from: jvalles69 on April 12, 2017, 05:21:58 PM
What are you guys all smoking? Westbrook wins MVP hands down, he's had a season that prob won't ever be repeated (maybe only by him next season). Give it to him last week already!
Agree it probably wont be repeated (triple double) but thats not because others cant do it, its because they shouldn't do it.
Funny though that Harden loses to Curry due to having a lesser team record, and now he's going to lose to Westbrook and he has the better record! Harden can't win. :-\
Also does anyone here listen to Bill Simmons podcast? I don't regularly, but I listened to one with KD from about 3 months ago and was bloody brilliant listening to them. KD is such a straight shooter and ice cold in his opinions too. Looking forward to listening to one with KD from a few weeks back on the drive home from work.
Quote from: jvalles69 on April 12, 2017, 05:51:41 PM
Quote from: Holz on April 12, 2017, 05:26:41 PM
Quote from: jvalles69 on April 12, 2017, 05:21:58 PM
What are you guys all smoking? Westbrook wins MVP hands down, he's had a season that prob won't ever be repeated (maybe only by him next season). Give it to him last week already!
Agree it probably wont be repeated (triple double) but thats not because others cant do it, its because they shouldn't do it.
Funny though that Harden loses to Curry due to having a lesser team record, and now he's going to lose to Westbrook and he has the better record! Harden can't win. :-\
Also does anyone here listen to Bill Simmons podcast? I don't regularly, but I listened to one with KD from about 3 months ago and was bloody brilliant listening to them. KD is such a straight shooter and ice cold in his opinions too. Looking forward to listening to one with KD from a few weeks back on the drive home from work.
James Worthy is a coward
Celtics for the first seed boy!
Think I've decided on Kawhi...
- He's a better player than Westbrook and Harden
- His team won 61 games
- Top 5 offensive player
- Top 3 defensive player
I think that's a stronger case than what I could make for Westbrook but it's close.
1. Leonard
2. Westbrook
3. Curry
4. Thomas
5. Harden
Man, that was difficult but I'm pretty happy with my top five.
1. Curry
2. Thomas
3. Harden
4. Westbrook
5. Leonard
Westbrook
Harden
Leonard
James
Thomas
A few notes on why I've given Curry a massive bump in MVP ranks since doing some research..
Warriors with Curry on-court: +16.9
Warriors with Curry off-court: -0.7
His net rating of +17.5 is easily the best of the Warriors, I'll break it down further than that. But simply, this team has the 4th best point differential in NBA history, but are outscored when Curry is on the bench.
Durant with Curry on-court: +19.2 net rating
Durant with Curry off-court: +6.2
Curry with Durant off-court: +14.4
Curry being able to keep the Warriors at such an absurd net rating when Durant is out is pretty incredible.
Klay with Curry on-court: +19.0
Klay with Curry off-court: +5.1
Curry with Klay off-court: +13.3
Draymond with Curry on-court: +17.6
Draymond with Curry off-court: +6.8
Curry with Draymond off-court: +15.5
Curry without Green, Klay and Durant: 121.7 offensive rating
Curry without Green, Durant: 122.2 offensive rating
Curry without Green, Klay: 124.2 offensive rating
Curry without Durant, Klay: 115.2 offensive rating
All marks would be the best in the league.
Here's my favourite one:
Warriors with Draymond, Klay, Durant on-court. Curry off-court: 108.5 offensive rating, 103.7 defensive rating = +4.8 net rating.
But when all 4 of them are on the court? 125.8 offensive rating, 101.7 defensive rating = +24.1 net rating
THAT IS INSANE. THE LINEUP WITH ALL OF DURANT, KLAY, GREEN ON COURT BUT WITH NO CURRY HAS A WORSE OFFENSIVE RATING THAN CURRY WITHOUT ALL OF, OR ANY 2 OF DURANT/KLAY/GREEN.
And finally, he's equal 1st in offensive RPM (3rd overall), and has a 61.8 TS% in the clutch which ranks 4th among qualified guys.
Too many numbers? Point is that yes Curry has regressed individually from last year, but even so, he is still incredible. Curry is the engine that makes the best team, best offense in the league go and isn't getting enough love in MVP talks due to the unrepeatable standards he set for himself last season. Aaaand after writing all that I think I might need to adjust my list again, screw this season :P
MVP
1. Joel Embiid
2. Dario Saric
3. Rest of league
DPOY
1. Embiid
2. Covington
3. Who cares
ROY
1. Embiid
2. Saric
3. Timothe Luwawu-Cabarrot
Most improved
1. Covington
2. TJ McConnell
3. 6'ers pick odds
Coach of the year
1. Brett Brown
2. Earl Watson
3. Frank Vogel
4. Jeff Hornacek
6th Man
1. Nik Stauskas
Done!
You forgot exec of the year...
(http://media.philly.com/images/SEANBLANDA.jpg)
It probably goes to Vlade. 2019 first rounder overall baby!
Jay those stats are absolutely majestic!
Exact reason why I'd give him the MVP. Add the wins total being 67+ for 3rd year in a row.
A certain team was fortunate today!
CP3 Point God.
Btw, can anyone explain why Indy took a timeout on their last possession? Allowed Cleveland to fix their defensive personnel and set up a scheme. You get the rebound, give it to George and push it up the court!
Utah didn't call a timeout and that was after a made bucket, they went down and scored the game winner. Not calling the timeout allowed them to attack Jamal Crawford who would've certainly been replaced if play was stopped.
Today was a good example of how massive coaching is in the playoffs. One team won because of it, and another lost.
Isaiah :-*
Bulls are gonna test the C's
Quote from: RiOtChEsS on April 17, 2017, 11:28:47 AM
Bulls are gonna test the C's
Yup. This is exactly why I wanted Taj Gibson at the deadline, we just cannot rebound the basketball.
Its just frustrating that Isaiah with all he's going through and how tough it would have been to focus on basketball for those 48 minutes still had an amazing game but no one stepped up with him apart from Al.
Was just such a sloppy game by us, miscommunication on defense leading to open dunks, careless turnovers, inability to cover a simple pick 'n pop to Bobby freaking Portis.
Isaiah's going to average 30 at super efficiency this series, they can't guard him, but its not going to be enough if Crowder, Smart, Johnson and Olynyk no-show like they did today.
Quote from: Jay on April 17, 2017, 12:24:09 PM
Quote from: RiOtChEsS on April 17, 2017, 11:28:47 AM
Bulls are gonna test the C's
Yup. This is exactly why I wanted Taj Gibson at the deadline, we just cannot rebound the basketball.
Horford sounded like a good sign, but in hindsight his rebounding numbers have dipped the last 4 years considerably, down from 10 to high 6's, it has also coincided with his 3pt attempts increasing, is it the sort of adjustment the coach can approach him with?
For me the main thing is they have an old dawg in Wade who is worth his weight in postseason gold and a gun player in Butler, we are talking 2 top dogs vs 1 #badmatchup
Geez Cavs offence looking great.
defense probably needs to tighten up abit more though.
25/38 from the Cavs big 3 in 3 quarters is very good.
Lebron is having a shocking Turnover game though he may get a Quad Dub.
Steph does not get foul calls:
https://youtu.be/Td7Z36BfU7U
This is ridiculous. Add that to the fact that on defence he constantly gets called for the most ticky-tack crap on the defensive end, even in the playoffs where the games are meant to be officiated more physically.
http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/watch-grizzlies-coach-david-fizdale-goes-off-on-refs-following-game-2-loss/
That was sickening :(
Quote from: plumdog millionaire on April 18, 2017, 06:25:42 PM
Steph does not get foul calls:
https://youtu.be/Td7Z36BfU7U
This is ridiculous. Add that to the fact that on defence he constantly gets called for the most ticky-tack crap on the defensive end, even in the playoffs where the games are meant to be officiated more physically.
yeah lots of calls that should have been there. Dont think he is getting singled out though and plenty of superstars dont get calls.
I reckon it just looks bad as he is only 6-3 86kg so its easy to push him around.
Guys like Lebron cop alot more it just doesnt look as bad when your 113kg.
Quote from: Jay on April 19, 2017, 03:03:05 PM
That was sickening :(
At least they have the number 1 draft odds
Quote from: plumdog millionaire on April 19, 2017, 03:57:55 PM
Quote from: Jay on April 19, 2017, 03:03:05 PM
That was sickening :(
At least they have the number 1 draft odds
True. The future is still in great shape. Its the hope of an Isaiah/Bradley/Crowder/Horford core making some noise in the playoffs that's not seeming so bright right now. Will certainly be an interesting off-season if we flame out - do we just roll it over again, do we cash in the chips, or do we take a step back and build around Jaylen + hopefully one of Fultz/Ball.
Celts in 7 tho.
(excuse my ignorance)
Is the final draft order decided by regular season standings or post-playoffs?
Quote from: Jay on April 19, 2017, 11:02:01 PM
Quote from: plumdog millionaire on April 19, 2017, 03:57:55 PM
Quote from: Jay on April 19, 2017, 03:03:05 PM
That was sickening :(
At least they have the number 1 draft odds
True. The future is still in great shape. Its the hope of an Isaiah/Bradley/Crowder/Horford core making some noise in the playoffs that's not seeming so bright right now. Will certainly be an interesting off-season if we flame out - do we just roll it over again, do we cash in the chips, or do we take a step back and build around Jaylen + hopefully one of Fultz/Ball.
Celts in 7 tho.
you need to stop waiting for Lebron to retire and do something now.
Jimmy Butler could take you out now if you traded away the picks and had
Isiah Butler Crowder Horford with Bradley coming off the bench then I would be worried as a Cavs fan.
Quote from: My Chumps on April 20, 2017, 12:06:03 PM
(excuse my ignorance)
Is the final draft order decided by regular season standings or post-playoffs?
lottery balls, the more losses you had the more balls you get but no certainty to get the number 1 pick
Russell Westbrook is relentless
Quote from: RiOtChEsS on April 20, 2017, 01:50:41 PM
Quote from: My Chumps on April 20, 2017, 12:06:03 PM
(excuse my ignorance)
Is the final draft order decided by regular season standings or post-playoffs?
lottery balls, the more losses you had the more balls you get but no certainty to get the number 1 pick
Yeah nah sorry, I mean for play-off teams are their positions/odds (I was not aware that they do a lottery for teams outside of the top 14, but could well be wrong) decided by the regular season standings or by playoff performance? For instance if Boston were ousted first round, do they get a 15-23 pick/odds to get that pick or do they get a later pick b/c of they had the fourth best regular season standings?
Quote from: My Chumps on April 20, 2017, 02:15:47 PM
Quote from: RiOtChEsS on April 20, 2017, 01:50:41 PM
Quote from: My Chumps on April 20, 2017, 12:06:03 PM
(excuse my ignorance)
Is the final draft order decided by regular season standings or post-playoffs?
lottery balls, the more losses you had the more balls you get but no certainty to get the number 1 pick
Yeah nah sorry, I mean for play-off teams are their positions/odds (I was not aware that they do a lottery for teams outside of the top 14, but could well be wrong) decided by the regular season standings or by playoff performance? For instance if Boston were ousted first round, do they get a 15-23 pick/odds to get that pick or do they get a later pick b/c of they had the fourth best regular season standings?
I'm pretty sure it's playoff performance but I could be wrong.
So, if Boston lose this round, they would probably get the 23rd pick as they'll likely have the best record of teams eliminated in the first round.
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(excuse my ignorance)
Is the final draft order decided by regular season standings or post-playoffs?
lottery balls, the more losses you had the more balls you get but no certainty to get the number 1 pick
Yeah nah sorry, I mean for play-off teams are their positions/odds (I was not aware that they do a lottery for teams outside of the top 14, but could well be wrong) decided by the regular season standings or by playoff performance? For instance if Boston were ousted first round, do they get a 15-23 pick/odds to get that pick or do they get a later pick b/c of they had the fourth best regular season standings?
I'm pretty sure it's playoff performance but I could be wrong.
So, if Boston lose this round, they would probably get the 23rd pick as they'll likely have the best record of teams eliminated in the first round.
It's regular season standings. Case in point, Warriors selected Damian Jones with the 30th pick last year (With their own pick).
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Quote from: LaHug on April 20, 2017, 02:43:28 PM
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Quote from: RiOtChEsS on April 20, 2017, 01:50:41 PM
Quote from: My Chumps on April 20, 2017, 12:06:03 PM
(excuse my ignorance)
Is the final draft order decided by regular season standings or post-playoffs?
lottery balls, the more losses you had the more balls you get but no certainty to get the number 1 pick
Yeah nah sorry, I mean for play-off teams are their positions/odds (I was not aware that they do a lottery for teams outside of the top 14, but could well be wrong) decided by the regular season standings or by playoff performance? For instance if Boston were ousted first round, do they get a 15-23 pick/odds to get that pick or do they get a later pick b/c of they had the fourth best regular season standings?
I'm pretty sure it's playoff performance but I could be wrong.
So, if Boston lose this round, they would probably get the 23rd pick as they'll likely have the best record of teams eliminated in the first round.
It's regular season standings. Case in point, Warriors selected Damian Jones with the 30th pick last year (With their own pick).
Well there you go. I must be too used to the AFL ones and just assumed wrongly.
Quote from: RiOtChEsS on April 20, 2017, 01:51:40 PM
Russell Westbrook is relentless
Been critical of him all year but today his first half was amazing, was about to congratulate him for a highly efficient night then he goes and ruins it by chucking up loads of 3s and losing the game after he single handed put them in a positon to win it.
One stat showed it all.
3 points 2/11
Russ you cant shoot 3s dont shoot them, drive to the basket, hit a 2 or pass the ball.
Quote from: LaHug on April 20, 2017, 02:46:45 PM
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Quote from: LaHug on April 20, 2017, 02:43:28 PM
Quote from: My Chumps on April 20, 2017, 02:15:47 PM
Quote from: RiOtChEsS on April 20, 2017, 01:50:41 PM
Quote from: My Chumps on April 20, 2017, 12:06:03 PM
(excuse my ignorance)
Is the final draft order decided by regular season standings or post-playoffs?
lottery balls, the more losses you had the more balls you get but no certainty to get the number 1 pick
Yeah nah sorry, I mean for play-off teams are their positions/odds (I was not aware that they do a lottery for teams outside of the top 14, but could well be wrong) decided by the regular season standings or by playoff performance? For instance if Boston were ousted first round, do they get a 15-23 pick/odds to get that pick or do they get a later pick b/c of they had the fourth best regular season standings?
I'm pretty sure it's playoff performance but I could be wrong.
So, if Boston lose this round, they would probably get the 23rd pick as they'll likely have the best record of teams eliminated in the first round.
It's regular season standings. Case in point, Warriors selected Damian Jones with the 30th pick last year (With their own pick).
Well there you go. I must be too used to the AFL ones and just assumed wrongly.
there ya go, thanks fellas!
I am pretty sure that its based on final standings at the end of the season. They then have a draw which is only used to determine tie breakers
They have already done the tiebreaker draw --- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9wsm1YZeX0&t=152s
51-31 -- Cavs, Clippers, Raptors, Jazz
43-39 -- Hawks, Griz
42-40 -- Paces, Bucks
41-41 -- Bulls, Trailblazers
31-51 -- T-Wolves, Knicks
Cavs down 25 at the half!!!
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Cavs down 25 at the half!!!
Now 10
Huge 3rd
7/13 from 3 in the quarter and 9 FT's
36 point turnaround in the half rn... Wow
what i find more amazing is how do you let them score 74 in a half and then go to 40.
From rubbish D to fantastic.
If only Lebron could hit FTs imagine if he just hit 10/12
45 points 13 rebound 12 assists on 52% FG and 50% 3P wow.
AB with a blinder today, really limited Butler's impact. Horford with one of his best games as a Celtic also.
That's more like it 8) A lot of IT/Horford PnR with the floor spread in that game and it worked a treat.
What's the old saying? A series doesn't start until a home team wins a game? :P
CP3 is better than Westbrook.
Quote from: Jay on April 22, 2017, 03:50:31 PM
CP3 is better than Westbrook.
If i have a few stars on the team i chose cp3 easy as he makes others better and will share thr ball.
If i have a average team ill take westbrook easy as he will games on his own. Far far better scorer. Plays at the greatest intensity of anyone in the league.
Cp3 better fit for la. But he would struggke in okc to make playoffs.
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CP3 is better than Westbrook.
If i have a few stars on the team i chose cp3 easy as he makes others better and will share thr ball.
If i have a average team ill take westbrook easy as he will games on his own. Far far better scorer. Plays at the greatest intensity of anyone in the league.
Cp3 better fit for la. But he would struggke in okc to make playoffs.
Chris Paul led his team to 46, 49 and 56 win seasons in New Orleans?
We have Brickadala vs Turner with Doug Collins commentating.
Goodbye Chicago! Really looking forward to the Washington matchup.
Quote from: Jay on April 29, 2017, 01:08:06 PM
Goodbye Chicago! Really looking forward to the Washington matchup.
Yep gonna be a killer series
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https://www.theplayerstribune.com/paul-pierce-tribute-video/
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https://www.theplayerstribune.com/paul-pierce-tribute-video/
If you didn't know the context you would've thought he died or something!
Was not expecting Leon Powe or Donnie Wahlberg on there though haha
So.. Isaiah Thomas is pretty good at basketball.
It's playoffs and this thread is dead...
I'm expecting when it's Cavs v Warriors in the finals it'll be rocking with Holz vs the world ;D
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It's playoffs and this thread is dead...
I'm expecting when it's Cavs v Warriors in the finals it'll be rocking with Holz vs the world ;D
I understand its unlikely, but i would love an underdog to get through, probs be over in 5 or 6 games though
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It's playoffs and this thread is dead...
I'm expecting when it's Cavs v Warriors in the finals it'll be rocking with Holz vs the world ;D
Yeah my boy is killing it. Dont really see any hasle untill the finals.
Sadly the warriors also look untouchable.
Rest of the series are interesting but still everyone is expecting warriors cavs so it kinda seems like its div 2 playing for the 3rd best team in the nba.
Some more context for IT's crazy game.
Day 1: Plays game 6 of NBA playoffs
Day 2: Flies cross country to attend sister's funeral
Day 3: Arrives at 4am, plays playoff game at lunch time
Day 4: Spends day at dentist getting major dental work
Day 5: Drops 53 on his sister's birthday
Not wanting to take anything away from IT as he is great and was brilliant this is more talking up wall.
Wall was pretty great too
40 points, 13 assists, 3 steals, 3 blocks
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Some more context for IT's crazy game.
Day 1: Plays game 6 of NBA playoffs
Day 2: Flies cross country to attend sister's funeral
Day 3: Arrives at 4am, plays playoff game at lunch time
Day 4: Spends day at dentist getting major dental work
Day 5: Drops 53 on his sister's birthday
That had to be one of the greatest playoff performances of all time.
I don't think there have been more than 3 times where a guy has had to overcome so much and been able to perform so well. I'm talking Jordan and Dirk flu game stuff here.
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Quote from: LaHug on May 04, 2017, 09:34:35 AM
Some more context for IT's crazy game.
Day 1: Plays game 6 of NBA playoffs
Day 2: Flies cross country to attend sister's funeral
Day 3: Arrives at 4am, plays playoff game at lunch time
Day 4: Spends day at dentist getting major dental work
Day 5: Drops 53 on his sister's birthday
That had to be one of the greatest playoff performances of all time.
I don't think there have been more than 3 times where a guy has had to overcome so much and been able to perform so well. I'm talking Jordan and Dirk flu game stuff here.
There will prob be a 30 for 30 on this in the future.
Lebron is insane
from 6 games
34 points on like 57% FG, 9 rebounds, 7.3 assists, 3 steals and 2 blocks.
Quote from: Holz on May 04, 2017, 12:28:59 PM
Lebron is insane
from 6 games
34 points on like 57% FG, 9 rebounds, 7.3 assists, 3 steals and 2 blocks.
:'(
@plumdog. You can't spend a better hour than watching KG's 'Area 21' show today. Joined by The Truth, Rondo, Perk, Big Baby, Doc, and even Sam Cassell. Only bad part is that Ray is still in the dog house :( #FreeRayAllen
Nice bit of nostalgia :')
Quote from: Jay on May 10, 2017, 12:35:20 AM
@plumdog. You can't spend a better hour than watching KG's 'Area 21' show today. Joined by The Truth, Rondo, Perk, Big Baby, Doc, and even Sam Cassell. Only bad part is that Ray is still in the dog house :( #FreeRayAllen
Nice bit of nostalgia :')
It was so amazing to see the guys back together even though Scal wasn't there :(. A few things:
-Perk was the MVP of this imo. Between him revealing that KD reached out to Russ when he broke the record and his take on Ray having to reach out first, you can tell all the guys had a tonne of respect for him and you can see why he's viewed as such a leader and vet presence on all the teams he's been on
-Big Baby and Rondo were so uneasy with Doc on, you can see a lot of shower has gone down esp with Baby
-The ending to the Facebook live stream... What happened there?
GINOBILLI! :D
Haha what an ending. Gee the Spurs looked poo with Leonard out though. Aldridge is not the guy he was at Portland. Needed a long range three and an unheard of and1 from Danny Green to clinch it. Hopefully we can scrape another win together over the next two and Leonard is okay :'(
Draft combine been going on for anyone interested. ESPN got some coverage, but as always NBA one is really just for the fringe players. I'll be watching just to see some of the college stars that aren't freshman in the same court together some for the last time
"Al Horford is overpaid" LMAO ;D
He has been incredible throughout these playoffs.
Avery outplaying Wall these last two games. Wall has been very sloppy on D today.
Wall you freak
That's the most crushing Celtics loss I can remember in a long time.
Isaiah with a horrible turnover and a terrible 3PA where he didn't even run a play.
Flower.
Surprised no one here has any mean words for Zaza! Was definitely a bad look for him.
If Kawhi misses a game or two and the Warriors win the title will there be another asterisk?????
Yeah I think that was a very dodgy close out tbh.
Also now you mention Zaza.. "We're going to game 7, baby. Game 7! Game 7!"
Let's go Celtics
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Surprised no one here has any mean words for Zaza! Was definitely a bad look for him.
If Kawhi misses a game or two and the Warriors win the title will there be another asterisk?????
They still havent achieved anything in my books. anything less then a title this year after bringing in the 2nd best player in the world is a failure.
Portland without Jusuf Nurkić
Jazz are no good anyway and Gobert wasnt healthy
Now Zaza puts his feet under the Spurs best player after already having lost Parker.
Title Run
Pelicans no good (but they earnt it as number 1 seed) and Holdiay was out
Memphis without Colney
Rockets without beverley
Cavs without Irving and Love
Last Year
Rockets - decent win against a ok team
Portland - decent win against a ok team
OKC - great win against an elite team
Cavs - Loss
So really in the last 3 years they have had 1 win against an healthy elite team. beaten 2 solid teams in Portalnd and Rockets and then beat a bunch of average teams with injured key players then taken out some elite teams with mass injuries like Cavs, Spurs
Tbf to Golden State they didn't have a full team last year at all during the playoffs. Curry coming back from injury then he comes back and Bogut goes down.
The fact teams are rarely ever healthy come this time of the year you can only beat who you play, maybe it should come back to the NBA to try and avoid this.
Quote from: R.Griffen on May 16, 2017, 01:29:38 PM
Tbf to Golden State they didn't have a full team last year at all during the playoffs. Curry coming back from injury then he comes back and Bogut goes down.
The fact teams are rarely ever healthy come this time of the year you can only beat who you play, maybe it should come back to the NBA to try and avoid this.
a few injuries are from reckless plays though.
like Zaza, you just cant put your feet in the landing zone of a player. he is the MVP of the series already.
its all true can only play those in front of you.
i personally gave them more respect from 2016 in a loss then 2015 in a win. They where all round elite last year just bowing out to a full strength cavs with a top 5 player of all time.
i rate them highly i just didnt think they where a all time great team that next level down. With durrant they can be an all time great team though.
helps when you have 4 top 20 players and the rest of the league has 2 max.
Celtics through after a gruelling series. Reckon they get swept by the Cavs?
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Celtics through after a gruelling series. Reckon they get swept by the Cavs?
low low chance
Cavs in 5 or 6.
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Celtics through after a gruelling series. Reckon they get swept by the Cavs?
Yes but I don't care right now! ;D
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Celtics through after a gruelling series. Reckon they get swept by the Cavs?
Yes but I don't care right now! ;D
Getting to the ECF is a success. Taking one or two would be icing on the cake!
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See ya NBA
All hail Hinkie. That pick swap got us a top 3 pick. It would have been better had the Lakers and Suns swapped spots. That would have got us 3 and 4 which would have been perfect.
ok so Cs get 1 and Lakers get 2.
conspiracy time the 2 biggest teams get the top 2 picks.
Sixers getting 3 is very very good.
you would assume Celtics take Fultz or Jackson. To me Fultz the best pick but jackson the much much better fit.
Ball to LA basically guranteed
Then sixers would instantly take jackson if avilable as perfect fit. Fultz would be tough as they have Simmons.
i guess you could stick Fultz at SG for either the Celtics or Sixers though.
Simmons Fultz/Jackson Sairc Embiid i would love to see if they can all stay healthy.
Ball George Ingram would be interesting too, would trade Russell i really dont like him.
Fultz/Jackson IT Horford another fun combo.
poor suns though
Simmons is the PG. They get Jackson to play on the wing with RoCo and their wing defense is going to be insane. Add JoJo in the middle and good luck scoring on them. Mills/Lowry/Holiday in FA to get another PG and the team is in the playoffs next year.
They also have Korkmaz in Europe who is a legit shooter, two picks next year (thanks LA) and two the year after (thanks Kings).
Holz, what's wrong with Russell?
1: Celtics (via Nets)
2: Lakers
3: Sixers (via Kings)
4: Suns
5: Kings (via Sixers)
6: Magic
7: T'Wolves
8: Knicks
9: Mavericks
10: Kings (via Pelicans)
11: Hornets
12: Pistons
13: Nuggets
14: Heat
Winners: Kings --- Jump from 8 to 5
Losers: Suns --- Drop out of top 3 and miss out on Fultz, Ball or Jackson
Losers: also Kings, dropping out of the top 3 :P
Lakers probably biggest winners out of this. Not because we jumped a lot but because we get to keep this year's pick and 2019 pick.
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Holz, what's wrong with Russell?
Killer on 2k ;D
Quote from: LaHug on May 17, 2017, 12:28:36 PM
Holz, what's wrong with Russell?
Well if they take Ball he is your PG and i just dont think Russell is very efficient FG or 3 points. doesnt strike me as a guy who would take a box seat.
so if you have Ball distributing to guys like George and Ingram then he seems a little redundant and i dont see him liking that.
Just seems smart to move him on a nice 3 and D player at SG probably looks a better move. George a pretty good 3 point shooter but not sure on Ingram and also not sure on Lonzo in the NBA.
Another option would be getting a rim protector and a guy for ball to set up dunks for.
he isnt a must sell but if you can get a better fit then do it.
Rumours are already out of teams contacting lakers about Russell.
magic need a point guard I wonder if you would trade Russell for pick 6 + something for their bench. Picking up Jonathan Isaac wouldnt be a terrible move.
Ball George Ingram Isaac Randle
Since I watch college basketball rather than the NBA, I'll give my take on this
Pick 3 is my first problem. While I disagree with it, there a possibility of Monk going 3. Are 76ers the right team (not too sure). I don't see pick 4 being a huge let down for the suns(don't need a guard), sure it would be great getting a higher pick but I see Tatum being just as good as Jackson etc. Reading over twitter post, facebook comments etc I see Smith has been the forgotten man. I am not a huge fan of him went about his work quietly but certainly has a lot of talent
Without taking picks into account this would be my order (exluding Ntilikina because I have no idea about him)
Fultz, Ball, Jackson, Tatum, Smith, Fox, Isaac, Monk, Markkanen, Collins
Any of Jackson, Tatum, Smith, Monk could fall at 3. While Smith and Fox are serviceable players who have the potential to slide
Just a couple of other thinks, Fox is my favourite player right now in the top 10 of the draft however probably less potential than the others. Only way I see Monk falling at 3 like I said earlier is NBA scouts love upside and his upside was already shown off dropping 47 vs UNC (But he can have some awful nights)
I am expecting a lot of trading of picks this year
1: Celtics - Fultz
2: Lakers - Ball
3: Sixers - Jackson
4: Suns - Tatum
5: Kings - Fox
That's how I see it playing out (could swap Tatum/Jackson around but they go 4 & 5) as long as someone doesn't package up their picks.
Good points all. I'd rather the Lakers trade Russell for a top 6 or 7 pick + something than for an already established player, based on timelines. But I guess that all changes if we get PG. I might just trust the FO and see what happens.
;D
Condolences to j959 with the Suns dropping out of the top 3 :-\
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Winners: Kings --- Jump from 8 to 5
Losers: Suns --- Drop out of top 3 and miss out on Fultz, Ball or Jackson
Actually, I don't agree with this at all ???
The Kings dropped from 3 to 5 so that's a shower outcome for a roster that's pretty lacking in top-end talent. The chance to add a top 3 pick would have been huge. They don't win in this scenario whatsoever?
Suns unluckily dropped out of the top 3, but is it a huge deal? Drafting Fultz or Ball would've created a bit of a logjam in the backcourt - not a bad problem with such high-end talent but Bledsoe and Booker are handy enough. And they still get a chance to grab one of the top 2 wings in Tatum or potentially Jackson if the 6ers pass him up. Fills a need, good result.
5 is a lot better then the Kings original spot of 8.
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Quote from: valkorum on May 17, 2017, 12:33:11 PM
Winners: Kings --- Jump from 8 to 5
Losers: Suns --- Drop out of top 3 and miss out on Fultz, Ball or Jackson
Actually, I don't agree with this at all ???
The Kings dropped from 3 to 5 so that's a shower outcome for a roster that's pretty lacking in top-end talent. The chance to add a top 3 pick would have been huge. They don't win in this scenario whatsoever?
Kings still had the single biggest jump out of any teams from 8 to 5. Yes the pick swap meant we finish at 5 instead of 3. This still gives us options at Fox/Smith or Tatum/Jackson (if they drop). Otherwise at 8 we would have to wait and see if Smith/Ntilikina/Isaac are still on the board. I hope we go with Fox, I can see him working beautifully with Hield. Fox, Hield, ??, Skal, Cauley-Stein
I would love for Isaac to fall to the Kings at 10. Perfect draft for me if this happens.
Suns miss out on definitely getting Jackson, they may have to settle for Tatum. I think Jackson would work better for them with Bledsloe, Booker, Chriss & Bender
Surely Boston trade that #1 pick, they are in title mode. Sign a PG13 or Butler and trade the #1 pick for a super C like Drummond, DJ or Whiteside.
PG: IT
SG: Bradely/Butler
SF: Crowder/PG13
PF: Horford
C: Whiteside/Drummond/Jordan
What a beast of a team they could assemble. I know who I'd be supporting over the next 5 or so years!
Quote from: jvalles69 on May 17, 2017, 03:58:02 PM
Surely Boston trade that #1 pick, they are in title mode. Sign a PG13 or Butler and trade the #1 pick for a super C like Drummond, DJ or Whiteside.
PG: IT
SG: Bradely/Butler
SF: Crowder/PG13
PF: Horford
C: Whiteside/Drummond/Jordan
What a beast of a team they could assemble. I know who I'd be supporting over the next 5 or so years!
PG/Butler are under contract and all those centres are not worth the number 1 pick. Horford is best as a small ball centre so they need someone like Taj Gibson to play 20 MPG max
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Quote from: jvalles69 on May 17, 2017, 03:58:02 PM
Surely Boston trade that #1 pick, they are in title mode. Sign a PG13 or Butler and trade the #1 pick for a super C like Drummond, DJ or Whiteside.
PG: IT
SG: Bradely/Butler
SF: Crowder/PG13
PF: Horford
C: Whiteside/Drummond/Jordan
What a beast of a team they could assemble. I know who I'd be supporting over the next 5 or so years!
PG/Butler are under contract and all those centres are not worth the number 1 pick. Horford is best as a small ball centre so they need someone like Taj Gibson to play 20 MPG max
Of course you'd get pieces back in the trade, but hey have a great opportunity to make a fantastic team right now around IT.
Rumor is that Chicago is looking at a potential Butler trade.
If there was a team to fall at 2 with the 6'ers at 3 the best option was the Lakers. They will take Ball. It's a lock to happen. It means we will get one of Fultz or Jackson.
PG: Simmons
SG: Jackson
SF: RoCo
PF: Saric
C: Embiid
Good luck scoring guys :P
Quote from: Mat0369 on May 18, 2017, 12:26:57 AM
Rumor is that Chicago is looking at a potential Butler trade.
If there was a team to fall at 2 with the 6'ers at 3 the best option was the Lakers. They will take Ball. It's a lock to happen. It means we will get one of Fultz or Jackson.
PG: Simmons
SG: Jackson
SF: RoCo
PF: Saric
C: Embiid
Good luck scoring guys :P
i love this team if healthy.
thats a huge if though.
TT dominant on the offensive glass early today, C's rebounding let them down hugely.
The score is 63-24. Okay, LeBron :-\
I, for one, am looking forward to a fun and competitive finals series!!!!
I DONT UNDERSTAND WHAT JUST HAPPENED BUT I AM EXCITED
Quote from: Jay on May 22, 2017, 02:12:02 PM
I DONT UNDERSTAND WHAT JUST HAPPENED BUT I AM EXCITED
congrats Jay and Boston,
i think it will just be a blip and Cavs take it probably in 5 but possibly 6.
All the lebron haters/ Jordan Fan Boys out in full force.
I just dont understand them.
ohh Jordan would never put up a game like this when it mattered.
ummm game 4 of the NBA finals, 6/9 3 rebounds 2 assist. Reckon that counts more then a series that is over.
this one still gets me, geez Lebron lost by the biggest margin in NBA history.
ummm 28.2 points 7.8 rebounds 4 assists 2 steals 0.5 blocks on 57.4% scoring makes you a Scrub.
but 27.3 points 5.3 rebounds 4.2 assist 1.7 steals 0.2 blocks on 41.5% scoring in the 96 finals makes you a legend?
I ran the numbers for all 6 finals. Jordan's first 3 where insane, best 3 year stretch ever.
36 Points 6.6 Rebounds 8 Assists 2 Steals 0.8 Blocks on 53% scoring.
but his last 3 where just average (amongst legends)
31 Points 5.4 Rebounds 4.2 Assists 1.5 Steals 0.5 Blocks on 43% shooting
this is what Lebron has put up in his last 5
29.5 points 10.1 Rebounds 7.2 Assists 2 Steals 0.9 Blocks on 47.7% shooting
so thats 1.5 less points but that on almost 4% better shooting
almost 5 more rebounds with 3 more assists and an extra 0.5 Steals and Blocks.
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Quote from: Jay on May 22, 2017, 02:12:02 PM
I DONT UNDERSTAND WHAT JUST HAPPENED BUT I AM EXCITED
congrats Jay and Boston,
i think it will just be a blip and Cavs take it probably in 5 but possibly 6.
I think any reasonable Boston fan would have been happy to take one game at home, let alone in Cleveland WITHOUT ISAIAH. This is important when you consider free agents considering Boston as well. The future is bright I reckon.
But man... LeBron has had some major puzzling performances in big games over his career. Top 3 player of all time and he's not a 'choker' or anything, just some really weird games.
Shoutout to Manu if that's the end for him. My favourite non-Celtic ever.
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Quote from: Holz on May 22, 2017, 03:31:01 PM
Quote from: Jay on May 22, 2017, 02:12:02 PM
I DONT UNDERSTAND WHAT JUST HAPPENED BUT I AM EXCITED
congrats Jay and Boston,
i think it will just be a blip and Cavs take it probably in 5 but possibly 6.
I think any reasonable Boston fan would have been happy to take one game at home, let alone in Cleveland WITHOUT ISAIAH. This is important when you consider free agents considering Boston as well. The future is bright I reckon.
But man... LeBron has had some major puzzling performances in big games over his career. Top 3 player of all time and he's not a 'choker' or anything, just some really weird games.
IT is the tough one, i think he has to go you just dont win with a small point guard your best player he isnt AI
If you can move him on with sonething for a george or butler thrn you can really attract free agents like haywood.
Imagine fultz or even ball with haywood george horford and bradley smart crowder off the bench.
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Quote from: Jay on May 22, 2017, 02:12:02 PM
I DONT UNDERSTAND WHAT JUST HAPPENED BUT I AM EXCITED
congrats Jay and Boston,
i think it will just be a blip and Cavs take it probably in 5 but possibly 6.
I think any reasonable Boston fan would have been happy to take one game at home, let alone in Cleveland WITHOUT ISAIAH. This is important when you consider free agents considering Boston as well. The future is bright I reckon.
But man... LeBron has had some major puzzling performances in big games over his career. Top 3 player of all time and he's not a 'choker' or anything, just some really weird games.
IT is the tough one, i think he has to go you just dont win with a small point guard your best player he isnt AI
If you can move him on with sonething for a george or butler thrn you can really attract free agents like haywood.
Imagine fultz or even ball with haywood george horford and bradley smart crowder off the bench.
You're right he isn't AI, he's better! His season this year was far better than any Iverson season.. Compare 16/17 Isaiah to Iverson's MVP year, Isaiah is just far more efficient as a scorer. This Celtics team would have made the finals in that 2000/01 eastern conference too ;)
But I understand your point, and am probably one of the only Celtics fans who doesn't oppose the 'Trade IT' idea. When you've still got prime LeBron in the east and even if you somehow get through him you've got the Warriors I think you need to be patient. Draft Fultz, pair him with Brown, Smart and next year's Brooklyn pick and you're looking at a really nice young core.
Quote from: Jay on May 24, 2017, 10:17:27 AM
Quote from: Holz on May 24, 2017, 09:18:11 AM
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Quote from: Holz on May 22, 2017, 03:31:01 PM
Quote from: Jay on May 22, 2017, 02:12:02 PM
I DONT UNDERSTAND WHAT JUST HAPPENED BUT I AM EXCITED
congrats Jay and Boston,
i think it will just be a blip and Cavs take it probably in 5 but possibly 6.
I think any reasonable Boston fan would have been happy to take one game at home, let alone in Cleveland WITHOUT ISAIAH. This is important when you consider free agents considering Boston as well. The future is bright I reckon.
But man... LeBron has had some major puzzling performances in big games over his career. Top 3 player of all time and he's not a 'choker' or anything, just some really weird games.
IT is the tough one, i think he has to go you just dont win with a small point guard your best player he isnt AI
If you can move him on with sonething for a george or butler thrn you can really attract free agents like haywood.
Imagine fultz or even ball with haywood george horford and bradley smart crowder off the bench.
You're right he isn't AI, he's better! His season this year was far better than any Iverson season.. Compare 16/17 Isaiah to Iverson's MVP year, Isaiah is just far more efficient as a scorer. This Celtics team would have made the finals in that 2000/01 eastern conference too ;)
But I understand your point, and am probably one of the only Celtics fans who doesn't oppose the 'Trade IT' idea. When you've still got prime LeBron in the east and even if you somehow get through him you've got the Warriors I think you need to be patient. Draft Fultz, pair him with Brown, Smart and next year's Brooklyn pick and you're looking at a really nice young core.
no way Thomas is better then iverson. yeah shoots a higher FG% but its 46% v 42% AI put up 2 more points albeit it on more shots.
the big difference is AI also picked up 2.5+ steals a game over those 3 years. more then 1.5 over Thomas. He gambled on them abit but i have him an overall superior defender and the steals helped the sixers be the number 1 team in forcing turnovers.
1.5 steals might not seem like much but assuming you score on 66% of them that an extra +2 points and assuming the team was going to score 50% on you thats -1.5 for them. So thats a +3.5 just from that.
Pointing out that IT was more efficient than AI is like saying Kobe was never good because he wasn't efficient. Efficiency is the most poorly used stat of modern times. There's context you need to look at too.
Quote from: LaHug on May 24, 2017, 11:40:59 AM
Pointing out that IT was more efficient than AI is like saying Kobe was never good because he wasn't efficient. Efficiency is the most poorly used stat of modern times. There's context you need to look at too.
Kobe was reasonably efficient for a shooter though he was basically going at 46% for his rings which is really good. Shot 80% from FT so no issue with his efficiency.
AI when he was winning the scoring was like 42% or worse so below average.
its not a major difference basically just 2 points a game extra for Kobe v AI.
like Kobe, AI had other areas of his game which where superior to IT.
Once again the NBA has killed the game of college basketball. Players being told to stay in the draft while they are going to be picked very late or maybe not at all. I concede that obviously the gun freshman are gonna leave. But anyone other than Grayson Allen who was a chance for player of the year has decided to stay in the draft. So I am actually respecting Allen despite his dirty play on court.
The only other big win for college basketball was Miles Bridges talented freshman a certain first round pick didn't even test and wanted to stay in college for another year
Huge losers was just team of Oregon. Was losing Boucher as a senior but had a chance to keep Tyler Dorsey who would have been nearly the best 2 guard in college basketball this coming year. While Dillon Brooks if he had stayed could have become the best college basketball player of all time so it's sad to see him go. Along with the likes of Caleb Swanigan, Tony Bradley, Frank Jackson, James Blackmon who all were a huge chance to stay now going to cost their team a chance to really dominate
There is no reason for players to stay when they go into the NBA, get drafted and actually make money. Do we tell our guys at under 18 level to stay an extra year instead of becoming a 3rd round pick and making a couple hundred thousand? No, now swap a couple hundred with a couple million. Second round picks is a different story since it's a non-guaranteed contract, but until they start paying college athletes for what they provide the argument is a baseless one.
Yeah I don't really understand the argument... If they aren't getting paid in college then what's the big motivation for them to stay for an extra year? Makes sense for them to jump into the big league and start earning.
Quote from: Toga on May 25, 2017, 06:11:14 PM
Yeah I don't really understand the argument... If they aren't getting paid in college then what's the big motivation for them to stay for an extra year? Makes sense for them to jump into the big league and start earning.
It's mainly just the system. More than 60 players excluding seniors are in the draft for a chance to get drafted. If a player doesn't get drafted they play D-League. Obviously if they can get paid, get paid. My main one is for players who rush out, ones who leave right away as a late first round or second round pick. While they can easily dominate college being the number 1 player on their team and pushing up the draft order Buddy Hield did it perfectly made up for not getting paid early by signing a huge contract a year later after dominating
Just frustrating seeing a player with a year or 2 left at college who would be a top player play 5 minutes off the bench and do stuff all
Mills, Mills, Mills, Mills. It's happening guys! It's happening!
Mills
Jackson
RoCo
Simmons
THE PROCESS!
Saric
TJ
TLC
Holmes
Sauce Castillo
Anderson
Bayless
Jackson? Think you could do much better at that pick!
Quote from: Mat0369 on May 26, 2017, 01:56:41 AM
Mills, Mills, Mills, Mills. It's happening guys! It's happening!
I'm out of the loop. For real?
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Quote from: Mat0369 on May 26, 2017, 01:56:41 AM
Mills, Mills, Mills, Mills. It's happening guys! It's happening!
I'm out of the loop. For real?
why not just put Simmons at point?
why would you put a 6 foot guy at point guard.
Lebron, Gianais are playing point forward so should put simmons up to compete. He wont move for bench money so not sure why Philly would do this.
In saying that Hinkie isnt in charge so the organisation might ruin the team.
its simple just draft Jackson, Jay he is the best avilable and they can use his postion.
Simmons
Jackson
RoCo
Sairc
Process
now thats a starting 5.
the only other pick i see Jay is Tatum which isnt bad at all.
There was a tweet saying that the 6'ers are after him.
http://973espn.com/sixers-expected-to-pursue-patty-mills-in-free-agency/
Basically the reason you get him is not to run the point, but to give you an off the ball shooter that fits the system perfectly. Brown is from the Pop coaching tree, he wants to run the Spurs offense with guys that will make the extra pass. This makes a lot more sense compared to signing Lowry. The thing to consider is that they have Bayless who is a lesser version of Mills already. It also hurts T.J who was excellent last year as a starter. What Mills has over TJ is that 3 point shot.
And 100% on Jackson. He has the highest ceiling of those guys as the best 2 way player in the draft. At worst you get a Brickadala, at best you get Leonard. The other option is a ball dominant PG in Fox (Simmons is the PG) and a guy that can shoot and do nothing else in Monk. You aren't wasting pick 3 on Monk. Don't get cute and take the BPA.
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Quote from: Toga on May 25, 2017, 06:11:14 PM
Yeah I don't really understand the argument... If they aren't getting paid in college then what's the big motivation for them to stay for an extra year? Makes sense for them to jump into the big league and start earning.
It's mainly just the system. More than 60 players excluding seniors are in the draft for a chance to get drafted. If a player doesn't get drafted they play D-League. Obviously if they can get paid, get paid. My main one is for players who rush out, ones who leave right away as a late first round or second round pick. While they can easily dominate college being the number 1 player on their team and pushing up the draft order Buddy Hield did it perfectly made up for not getting paid early by signing a huge contract a year later after dominating
Just frustrating seeing a player with a year or 2 left at college who would be a top player play 5 minutes off the bench and do stuff all
I see your point I guess... Playing college for another year could help them bump up their draft stock for the following year. Since this discussion Kentucky's Hamidou Diallo has decided to return for a sophomore season next year based on this!
But still I can see why most guys are looking to make the jump as soon as possible, it's all about the $$.
Quote from: Jay on May 26, 2017, 02:00:38 AM
Jackson? Think you could do much better at that pick!
The 76ers pick will be sooo interesting come draft night. Seems like the first two are just about locks already so this is where things start happening.
Out of interest who do you see as the best pick at #3, Jay? Seems to be the general consensus that Jackson is the 2nd or 3rd best prospect in the draft.
Quote from: Toga on May 26, 2017, 11:51:35 AM
Quote from: Jay on May 26, 2017, 02:00:38 AM
Jackson? Think you could do much better at that pick!
The 76ers pick will be sooo interesting come draft night. Seems like the first two are just about locks already so this is where things start happening.
Out of interest who do you see as the best pick at #3, Jay? Seems to be the general consensus that Jackson is the 2nd or 3rd best prospect in the draft.
Ball going pick 1 is certainly possible.
Quote from: Holz on May 26, 2017, 12:11:10 PM
Quote from: Toga on May 26, 2017, 11:51:35 AM
Quote from: Jay on May 26, 2017, 02:00:38 AM
Jackson? Think you could do much better at that pick!
The 76ers pick will be sooo interesting come draft night. Seems like the first two are just about locks already so this is where things start happening.
Out of interest who do you see as the best pick at #3, Jay? Seems to be the general consensus that Jackson is the 2nd or 3rd best prospect in the draft.
Ball going pick 1 is certainly possible.
Doubtful when he refuses to work out anywhere other then LA
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Quote from: Toga on May 26, 2017, 11:51:35 AM
Quote from: Jay on May 26, 2017, 02:00:38 AM
Jackson? Think you could do much better at that pick!
The 76ers pick will be sooo interesting come draft night. Seems like the first two are just about locks already so this is where things start happening.
Out of interest who do you see as the best pick at #3, Jay? Seems to be the general consensus that Jackson is the 2nd or 3rd best prospect in the draft.
Ball going pick 1 is certainly possible.
Doubtful when he refuses to work out anywhere other then LA
players used to get picked up without working out. if they think he is the right fit then no reason they dont take him. If they are moving on IT then Ball is the better pick if they arent then just pick up fultz and play him at 2.
Ball has said he will work out for Philly. I think that's just in case the Lakers pass on him.
Quote from: Toga on May 26, 2017, 11:51:35 AM
Quote from: Jay on May 26, 2017, 02:00:38 AM
Jackson? Think you could do much better at that pick!
The 76ers pick will be sooo interesting come draft night. Seems like the first two are just about locks already so this is where things start happening.
Out of interest who do you see as the best pick at #3, Jay? Seems to be the general consensus that Jackson is the 2nd or 3rd best prospect in the draft.
My preferred order
1: Fultz
2: Ball
3: Jackson
4: Tatum
5: Fox
2nd possible order
1: Fultz
2: Ball
3: Fox
4: Jackson
5: Tatum (but we could go Smith here instead)
I haven't watched a heap yet, but if you're looking for a wing I'd take Isaac over Jackson pretty easily.
Isaac has pretty bad asthma apparently and they don't think he can build a tank to become a top line player.
Quote from: Mat0369 on May 26, 2017, 08:36:54 PM
Isaac has pretty bad asthma apparently and they don't think he can build a tank to become a top line player.
Dubious... Rodman had asthma. With good management and NBA level trainers that should only be an issue problem in high altitude places like Denver and Utah
Quote from: Jay on May 26, 2017, 08:29:02 PM
I haven't watched a heap yet, but if you're looking for a wing I'd take Isaac over Jackson pretty easily.
Interesting, have heard a lot about Isaac being one of the more underrated prospects and one with a lot more potential as he develops. Will be interesting to see what happens in the next month :)
So what are peoples tips for the finals.
Im going Warriors in 6 but im worried it might be 5.
If Cavs somehow win with no Warriors injuries and lebron is clearly the best player in the finals like he has been the last 2 years then im reading to call him the greatest of all time.
Think Warriors in 5, sadly. Warriors win first two, lose game 3, steal game 4 on the road and close at home. If it were the old 2-3-2 format, I'd have Warriors in 6 but just don't see them losing a home game and don't see them losing 2 in a row at any stage.
Cavs in 4.
i wish
Quote from: Holz on May 29, 2017, 03:49:00 PM
So what are peoples tips for the finals.
Im going Warriors in 6 but im worried it might be 5.
If Cavs somehow win with no Warriors injuries and lebron is clearly the best player in the finals like he has been the last 2 years then im reading to call him the greatest of all time.
Funny, I'm in the MJ era being born in '82 and myself and tonnes of other people around my age are starting to think the same think. Guy is a 1 in a lifetime player, I say 1 because he and MJ are totally different types of beasts.
I think Kyrie and Lebron will take Cavs to back to back, with Love chiming in for some decent numbers.
Warriors in 7 for me.
Cavs in 6 or 7
Actually, a Cavs starting 5 player to get injured and Warriors to win. ::)
Cavs need to come out an steal game 1 to make this series a beauty
Man it's so good to see that grind it out, slow, low scoring play in the playoffs
Kyrie 4ptr :o
glad this matchup eventuated, its like a non stop nba action highlight package
Just sussing the schedule
Monday is the next game, then Thursday, Saturday, Tuesday, Friday, Monday
The gaps have never been so big, have they?
The Lebron Haters out in full force, never seen a guy criticized soo much for going 28 15 and 8 on 45% shooting.
This warriors team is all time stacked. 4 top 20 players is insane, i had warriors in 5 or 6, I reckon lebron is good enough to take a game or two off them but cant see anyone beating this team.
Cavs secondary players need to lift though. TT Korver Jr and Williams played 88 minutes combined for 3 points.
Damn, that was hard to watch
The takeaway from this game --- Cav's bench needs to step up or they are gone.
The Cav's combined bench had 14 points (not counting Dahntay's 7 points in junk time) - this needs to be 30 - 40 points for them to have a chance.
LeBron, Love and Kyrie are the only ones who can hold their head high
LeBron - 28/15/8 (2 blocks but did have 8 turnovers as well)
Kyrie - 24/3/2
Love - 15/21 (3 blocks)
TT - 0/4 (terrible)
JR was even worse - 3 points and 2 turnovers.
Deron - 0 points
Jefferson - 9/4
Shumpert - 5/5
Korver - 0 points
Everyone for GSW was chipping in and scoring while Durant and Steph were scoring at will.
Durant 33/8/8
Curry - 28/6/10
Green - 9/11
Zaza - 8/6
Klay - 6 points (gone cold in a finals.... again)
Iggy - 7 points
McGee - 4/5
Livingston - 2 points
Clark - 4 points
West - 2 points
Not counting McAdoo, McCaw and Barnes total of 5 points as that was also junk time
Cav's should be thankful that this wasn't a 40 point blowout
Yeah this is why from a basketball perspective I hated KD going to the Warriors. How will they lose when him and Steph play like they did today?
Quote from: Jay on June 02, 2017, 07:27:11 PM
Yeah this is why from a basketball perspective I hated KD going to the Warriors. How will they lose when him and Steph play like they did today?
I think you missed my point. Durant/Curry scored 61 combined. LeBron/Kyrie/Love scored 67. That side of the game is pretty even.
The key was the non-star / bench / role players. Everyone from GSW chipped in with points, rebounds etc... where as NO-ONE did for the Cav's
Quote from: valkorum on June 02, 2017, 08:28:13 PM
Quote from: Jay on June 02, 2017, 07:27:11 PM
Yeah this is why from a basketball perspective I hated KD going to the Warriors. How will they lose when him and Steph play like they did today?
I think you missed my point. Durant/Curry scored 61 combined. LeBron/Kyrie/Love scored 67. That side of the game is pretty even.
The key was the non-star / bench / role players. Everyone from GSW chipped in with points, rebounds etc... where as NO-ONE did for the Cav's
It's more than points... Durant's D was amazing and when they're on, they both bend the defence so much that even assists don't show how much defences have to bend, which makes the role players look good.
Quote from: Holz on June 02, 2017, 03:59:27 PM
The Lebron Haters out in full force, never seen a guy criticized soo much for going 28 15 and 8 on 45% shooting.
This warriors team is all time stacked. 4 top 20 players is insane, i had warriors in 5 or 6, I reckon lebron is good enough to take a game or two off them but cant see anyone beating this team.
Cavs secondary players need to lift though. TT Korver Jr and Williams played 88 minutes combined for 3 points.
so now you are gonna ignore turnovers? when you heap and harp on that with Russ?
Quote from: RiOtChEsS on June 03, 2017, 12:07:35 AM
Quote from: Holz on June 02, 2017, 03:59:27 PM
The Lebron Haters out in full force, never seen a guy criticized soo much for going 28 15 and 8 on 45% shooting.
This warriors team is all time stacked. 4 top 20 players is insane, i had warriors in 5 or 6, I reckon lebron is good enough to take a game or two off them but cant see anyone beating this team.
Cavs secondary players need to lift though. TT Korver Jr and Williams played 88 minutes combined for 3 points.
so now you are gonna ignore turnovers? when you heap and harp on that with Russ?
He did turn it over alot. 6 in the first half when he was actually playing better. Thats too much though but warriors where amazing in this area.
The difference is i called 28 15 8 and 8 TO a pass. So badically a decent game.
So when im critical of westbrook i still call him a top 5 player. Lebron played like a top 5 player in that game. He is better thrn that but im not going to call that game a shocker from lebron and never called westbrook shicking
The 2 reasons the cavs lost
Korver tt deron jr went 1/14 for 3 points in 88 minutes. So thats like basically 2 of 5 players on thr cavs doing nothing.
Warriors had only 4 TO and cavs no steals. Was just too easy fot the warriors to score.
Both those things wont continue.
On the flip side.
Green klay didnt do much and the warriors didnt do much from 3. That will change too
Quote from: Holz on June 03, 2017, 11:30:17 AM
The 2 reasons the cavs lost
Korver tt deron jr went 1/14 for 3 points in 88 minutes. So thats like basically 2 of 5 players on thr cavs doing nothing.
Warriors had only 4 TO and cavs no steals. Was just too easy fot the warriors to score.
Both those things wont continue.
On the flip side.
Green klay didnt do much and the warriors didnt do much from 3. That will change too
Warriors only scored 0.89 PPP in the half court which shows how much they killed it on defence, had like 10 more deflections and 15 more loose balls won than the Cavs. However the Warriors must have missed at least 10 points worth in shots you'd expect them to hit at least 7/10 times
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6 games to go, Warriors won games 1 & 2 last year by 13pts and 33pts. It ain't over...
Quote from: jvalles69 on June 03, 2017, 02:39:34 PM
6 games to go, Warriors won games 1 & 2 last year by 13pts and 33pts. It ain't over...
Most certainly isn't... if the Cavs win that would be an order of magnitude more amazing than last year.
The only reason people think these finals are going to be competitive is because Draymond punched LBJ in the balls last season - he doesn't do that, the Warriors win in 5 and we all expect the same this time round.
Quote from: Jay on June 03, 2017, 11:10:37 PM
The only reason people think these finals are going to be competitive is because Draymond punched LBJ in the balls last season - he doesn't do that, the Warriors win in 5 and we all expect the same this time round.
And Steph wasn't 100%
KD!!!
That final play by Irving was horrible!
Not sure how much lebron and irving can do.
Must suck putting up 30 and a tripple double on 60% shooting and be 0-3
Crazy thing is i know people who said westbrook clear mvp and are now calling out lebron.
Lebron basically is doing what westbrook did but 20% better shooting.
Yeah Lebron can't do much more
GS is just ridiculous. Pretty much 4 All-Star/Dream Team starters
Nobody can compete with that
Ppl talking up KD likes he's now the greatest, let's go back 1 season, OKC up 3-1 against the Warriors...give me a break, and I love KD. ::)
Quote from: jvalles69 on June 09, 2017, 05:31:48 PM
Ppl talking up KD likes he's now the greatest, let's go back 1 season, OKC up 3-1 against the Warriors...give me a break, and I love KD. ::)
He probably is proving he is the second best player in the world. Remember he already was before getting injured a few years back.
He is great but i agree you cant get it any easier when you have a DPOY to help you out on defense and then the best shooting backcourt of all time taking attention aswell.
Quote from: Holz on June 09, 2017, 05:47:20 PM
Quote from: jvalles69 on June 09, 2017, 05:31:48 PM
Ppl talking up KD likes he's now the greatest, let's go back 1 season, OKC up 3-1 against the Warriors...give me a break, and I love KD. ::)
He probably is proving he is the second best player in the world. Remember he already was before getting injured a few years back.
He is great but i agree you cant get it any easier when you have a DPOY to help you out on defense and then the best shooting backcourt of all time taking attention aswell.
Yeah, my point is he needed to prove this last year, if he and Westrbook had taken out Warriors then Cavs it would've meant so much more imo. The confidence is uber boosted when Dray, Klay and Curry have your back.
Kyrie, I flowering love this kid.
Insane first half
Loving this
Refs have lost the plot
Quote from: RiOtChEsS on June 10, 2017, 02:02:27 PM
Refs have lost the plot
And Warriors have turned KD into a little dog...no way would he have ever complained about a call like that in the past!
So apparently you need to break 4-5 all time records just to beat the Warriors once lol
Warriors blew a 3-0 lead
Warriors better put this team away today or else
Cavs got that back to the wall swagger from last year back...
Quote from: RiOtChEsS on June 10, 2017, 02:02:27 PM
Refs have lost the plot
Refs are wanting to be player of the game in game 5. Let them play
JR Smith was unbelievable today
well played warriors just too good, all of the big 4 turned up today.
Congrats to Lebron despite losing, everyone knows he was the Finals MVP just cant get awarded it because its an award only for the champions. 33 12 10 on 56% is just insane, i reckon this is his most impressive series ever, eclipsed last year.
Kevin Love needs to go, put up decent numbers in the 2 blowouts then averaged 7 points in the 3 competitive games. His offense got matched by Draymond Green except he is a defensive liability and Green is the DPOY.
I think if you replace Love with George you have a series would have been the difference in Game 3 and 5 in my books and you would win at least 1 of those possibly 2.
Well done Golden State, wanted Cavs but the team is just insane
already cant wait for next season
Embiid, Simmons hopefully fit, maybe Patty Mills ;D
Quote from: Hawka on June 14, 2017, 01:30:45 AM
Well done Golden State, wanted Cavs but the team is just insane
already cant wait for next season
Embiid, Simmons hopefully fit, maybe Patty Mills ;D
Still not sure mills is a good option.
Embiid Simons and also jackson/tatum/fox
Not sure which out of thosr 3 to get. I reckon getting the SF the smarter move and play simmons at point.
Simmons roco jackson/tatum saric embiid.
If healthy fireworks. In saying that wolves havent done much with their talent in terms of wins.
Only a matter of time though.
So I guess the Lebron vs MJ talk dies down for another season. ;D
How do people think the MJ, Pippen, Rodman era would've gone against 2 elite superstars and a couple of semi stars? For example Ewing, Malone/Barkley, Payton, Majerle, or some other combo of players from the 90's to match KD, Curry, Klay and Dray. Personally I still think MJ's team wins, but if you strung together the right combo they could be beat. Guess I'm comparing Cavs/Warriors to Bulls/90's superteam...I'd say Pippen vs Kyrie and Love vs Rodman evens out.
Quote from: jvalles69 on June 14, 2017, 10:31:10 AM
So I guess the Lebron vs MJ talk dies down for another season. ;D
How do people think the MJ, Pippen, Rodman era would've gone against 2 elite superstars and a couple of semi stars? For example Ewing, Malone/Barkley, Payton, Majerle, or some other combo of players from the 90's to match KD, Curry, Klay and Dray. Personally I still think MJ's team wins, but if you strung together the right combo they could be beat. Guess I'm comparing Cavs/Warriors to Bulls/90's superteam...I'd say Pippen vs Kyrie and Love vs Rodman evens out.
Im not sure what people are talking about. Lebron was amazing this series its a team sport, but when you are talking greatest of all time your talking individuals.
The man went 34 12 10 1.5 1 on 56% shooting.
Id say this is Lebron's best ever finals series despite having won 3 rings. Clear Clear Finals MVP in my book despite how good KD and Curry where.
Jordan dropped 27 5 4 1.5 0 on 42% shooting in the equivalent year.
If your talking individual performances doesn't this tip the debate towards Lebron?
As much as i love Kyrie id give the edge to Pippen. Pippen still goes 16 8 5 while being an elite defender. Kyrie 29 4 4 but is still a liability on defense.
Rodman >>> Love
Love only turned up in the 2 blowouts. In the 3 competitive games he went 15 9 16. Even if you count the blow outs he only goes 16 11 1 on
38% FG!!! Again he is a defensive liability.
Rodman doesnt score but 8 15 3 is pretty insane and while Love is a defensive liability, Rodman is a DPOY.
Then lets look at the supporting cast.
TT: 6 6 3
Jr 12 2 0
v
Kukoc: 13 5 4
Longley: 12 4 2
So basically in summary take out Lebron and Jordan, then pretty much on the offensive end slight edge to cavs. The starters are better but the bench sucked. However on the defensive end the Bulls much much better. They have DPOY and All nba defense players and the cavs have liability.
and thats before you even turn to the opponent.
This was the 2nd best player in the planet, the reigning 2 time MVP (fair to call him a top 5 player) the probably DPOY and a all nba sniper.
The bulls opponent had Payton who is certainly a superstar but wasnt a top 5 player that year. Kemp was up there but again not a top 5 player. Schrempf was a star and all nba 3rd team.
so on the opponent side it was a downgrade on Durrant Curry to Payton Kemp but a decent amount. Kemp probably on par with Klay and then you add a DPOY type player who is also an all star.
a fair comparison would be if Jordan faced say.
Penny Hardaway, David Robinson, Reggie Miller Dikembe Mutombo
Lebron: 8 finals for only 3 wins
Jordan: 6 finals for 6 wins
Jordan will always be the GOAT in my books, but it's all just personal opinion at the end of the day. Both are/were incredible and clear Top 2 of all time
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on June 14, 2017, 11:47:35 AM
Lebron: 8 finals for only 3 wins
Jordan: 6 finals for 6 wins
I hate this stat because it doesn't provide context of the opponents, the teams the players were on, what stage of their careers, etc.
LeBron's Finals losses:
2007 vs. Spurs - Jordan would also lose that series against that team, especially at that age/career stage, with those team mates.
2011 vs. Dallas - Jordan wins that series in LeBron's position for sure.
2014 vs. Spurs - Very hard to say. Those Spurs were something special and Wade was no longer a star. Call it 50/50.
2015 vs. Warriors - Not only does Jordan also lose that series in those circumstances, I don't think he takes it to 7 like LeBron did.
2017 vs. Warriors - No chance Jordan, or anyone in NBA history, and maybe nobody in the future of the league either, could have won that series in LeBron's position.
Of course, that's all opinion too, but Jordan would probably only be 5 for 8 at best in LeBron's position. The only loss on LeBron's Finals resume that puts him in a bad light in the Jordan comparisons is against the Mavs.
Plus, making 8 finals is more impressive than making 6 finals, if we want to just look at number totals without context :P
Quote from: LaHug on June 14, 2017, 12:00:16 PM
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on June 14, 2017, 11:47:35 AM
Lebron: 8 finals for only 3 wins
Jordan: 6 finals for 6 wins
I hate this stat because it doesn't provide context of the opponents, the teams the players were on, what stage of their careers, etc.
LeBron's Finals losses:
2007 vs. Spurs - Jordan would also lose that series against that team, especially at that age/career stage, with those team mates.
2011 vs. Dallas - Jordan wins that series in LeBron's position for sure.
2014 vs. Spurs - Very hard to say. Those Spurs were something special and Wade was no longer a star. Call it 50/50.
2015 vs. Warriors - Not only does Jordan also lose that series in those circumstances, I don't think he takes it to 7 like LeBron did.
2017 vs. Warriors - No chance Jordan, or anyone in NBA history, and maybe nobody in the future of the league either, could have won that series in LeBron's position.
Of course, that's all opinion too, but Jordan would probably only be 5 for 8 at best in LeBron's position. The only loss on LeBron's Finals resume that puts him in a bad light in the Jordan comparisons is against the Mavs.
Plus, making 8 finals is more impressive than making 6 finals, if we want to just look at number totals without context :P
Totally agree with you.
Jordan wins 2011 thats true
Im not sure Jordan wins 2016 though and 2014 2013 even questionable. Id say replace Lebron with Jordan and your looking at between 2 to 4 championships. Im not sure he would even make all 8.
the 6-0 stat is the worst in basketball.
Jordan's east was tougher but his Finals opponents was far easier.
what if i changed it to
Jordan 13 playoffs to make 6 finals = 46%
Lebron 12 playoffs to make 8 finals = 67%
that way Jordan didnt even make the finals half the time, Lebron makes it 2/3 of the time.
I dont understand why Lebron is criticized for losing a final and Jordan gets away with not even making the final. In what world is losing in the semi's better then losing in the finals.
If Jordan made the finals in 95 and 89 and lost and was 6-2 would be consider that better or worse then 6-0?
All those "assumptions" is exactly why this is the most pointless argument in NBA
You can compare stats until you're blue in the face but the fact of the matter is that it's always going to be a personal opinion. There is no formula, no way of ever coming up with an answer
No one is right or wrong
As for that stat, you might not like it but it says one thing - when he makes the final he wins, and at the end of the day he can only beat who was put in front of him
It's the same as comparing Pele and Messi, Leigh Matthews and GAJ and so forth. It's not plausible, so just appreciate everything they've done and love it :)
For what it's worth, I have no idea who's the GOAT. I just don't like the 6-0 argument.
Quote from: LaHug on June 14, 2017, 02:27:08 PM
For what it's worth, I have no idea who's the GOAT. I just don't like the 6-0 argument.
thats it.
The difference in Jordan and Lebron fans is for Jordan fans Jordan is the GOAT and any person who says otherwise is wrong and stupid or a fanboy or whatever and that you can't even compare.
For Lebron fans sure some say they think they Lebron is the greatest of all time, but they dont go out and say Jordan isnt in the same class, how can you say Jordan. Jordan is a chocker.
Thats why i support Lebron.
I personally think Lebron will end up the greatest of all time on my list, but i can put a case for Jordan and also guys like Kareem, you could even argue Russell if you want.
Jordan fans typically are its only Jordan and degrade everyone else.
in regards to RDs comment with he can only beat whats in front of them, where is that argument for Lebron winning 8 ECFs and Jordan only winning 6. The double standards amongst Jordan fans drive me crazy. They poke every weakness of the challengers and only bring up Jordan's strengths.
You're delusional Holz
Where did I ever say anything negative towards Lebron? I compared the 8 vs 6 to highlight a Jordan point, but didn't say it was a bad effort by Lebron
I said they are clearly the 2 greatest
Just because I think Jordan is the greatest, doesn't mean I think anything less of Lebron
They're both amazing, but because I grew up watching Jordan he will always be my number 1. It's a personal opinion, not a fact
Quotewhat if i changed it to
Jordan 13 playoffs to make 6 finals = 46%
Lebron 12 playoffs to make 8 finals = 67%
that way Jordan didnt even make the finals half the time, Lebron makes it 2/3 of the time.
I dont understand why Lebron is criticized for losing a final and Jordan gets away with not even making the final. In what world is losing in the semi's better then losing in the finals.
If Jordan made the finals in 95 and 89 and lost and was 6-2 would be consider that better or worse then 6-0?
Can't forget the era Jordan came into, super power Celtics and Lakers, plus Detroit were becoming powerhouses too. Jordan had to take a backseat to these vets. When Lebron came into the league there was basically Lakers and Spurs and the rest of the league had been average for a few years before that. MJ had to wait for his time, Lebron's time was instant. Still enjoy watching both and what they do, both will be absolute legends of the game #1 and #2 in either order.
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on June 14, 2017, 03:30:00 PM
You're delusional Holz
Where did I ever say anything negative towards Lebron? I compared the 8 vs 6 to highlight a Jordan point, but didn't say it was a bad effort by Lebron
I said they are clearly the 2 greatest
Just because I think Jordan is the greatest, doesn't mean I think anything less of Lebron
They're both amazing, but because I grew up watching Jordan he will always be my number 1. It's a personal opinion, not a fact
I wasn't referring to you, I was talking about most Jordan fans, which gladly you aren't.
You actually have the qualities of a Lebron fan in that you have respect for both players.
What you are is a basketball fan who supported Jordan and believe is the greatest of all time in your opinion.
What I am is a basketball fan who supports Lebron and believe he may end up being the greatest of all time.
What i am talking about is people who weren't going for either the Cavs or the Warriors and took joy in watching Lebron lose and generally think the NBA is worse then it used to be and that the 80s 90s or whatever was the peak.
Sadly i believe you are the minority, even though everyone on here seems reasonable. There is a monster squad of lebron haters out there though.
your last line is the issue, most Jordan fans treat it like fact that Jordan is the greatest when it is really their opinion. There is a case for 4-5 players to be the greatest of all time, possibly even more
Kareem 6 rings, 2 decades of dominance, 6 MVPs, #1 scorer of all time
Bill Russell most rings
Jordan 6 rings and the eye test, #1 in certain advanced metrics
James will likely finish with 10+ finals, be leading most simple and advanced statistics measures, 4+ MVPS
Wilt - arguably most dominant player ever, crazy stat records
then how big a gap is it really to Duncan Shaq Magic etc..
all i know is i saw some all time greats battle it out this series.
Yeah all valid points, but in regards to those others I just don't think you can measure their actually influence on the game in their period of time
In the 80's and 90's, the influence and presence Jordan had not just in basketball but world wide was nothing compared to the other guys you mentioned
Lebron is however on that level, but maybe because he has had Kobe and Stef/KD etc all in the same era as him is what makes his critics so much harder, where as when Jordan played yeah he had Magic etc around but he was clearly better than all of them even though they were that good
Lebron is in the same era with some other GOAT contenders, where as Jordan probably didn't have as much competition, so that makes his greatness stand out more for those who argue for him without them even realising it
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on June 14, 2017, 06:25:52 PM
Yeah all valid points, but in regards to those others I just don't think you can measure their actually influence on the game in their period of time
In the 80's and 90's, the influence and presence Jordan had not just in basketball but world wide was nothing compared to the other guys you mentioned
Lebron is however on that level, but maybe because he has had Kobe and Stef/KD etc all in the same era as him is what makes his critics so much harder, where as when Jordan played yeah he had Magic etc around but he was clearly better than all of them even though they were that good
Lebron is in the same era with some other GOAT contenders, where as Jordan probably didn't have as much competition, so that makes his greatness stand out more for those who argue for him without them even realising it
You are correct if you want to look at the legends
in time order
Russell: late 50s and 60s
Wilt: 60s
Kareem: 70s and early 80s
Bird: Early to mid 80s
Magic: 80s
Jordan: late 80s and 90s
Shaq: late 90s to mid 00s
Kobe: 00s
Duncan: late 90s to early 00s
Lebron: mid 00s onwards
KD? 00s
Lebron is kinda coming in at the back end of Kobe Duncan Shaq aswell. Duncan helped by Leonard (who isn't a legend) and now we are entering Perhaps the KD phase?
Where i think he benefits the most from is Bird Magic Kareem era (probably strongest of all time) coming to an end just as he hit his prime. So Jordan fans use that as him beating legends.
He also was able to take out a young Shaq just as lebron was able to take out a young KD Harden Westbrook.
The best pure prime player was Hakeem and he is in that next tier.
Jordan's the greatest player ever. 6 Rings, finals MVP in all, 5 MVPs, 72 win team, #1 player by advanced metrics, was the best player in the league from age 23-34, apart from the two baseball years. Also had a much tougher road to the finals each season than LBJ has had. But LBJ is #2, even if he retired tomorrow. I don't think he'll pass MJ because I can't see how he's going to win another ring but maybe he just keeps this level of play up for so long that he has to at least be in the discussion. The 'best player in the world' torch was passed to LBJ from Duncan after the 2007 finals, and he's still holding that torch today.
If I had to do a top 10:
1. MJ
2. LBJ
3. Kareem
4. Shaq
5. Wilt
6. Duncan
7. Magic
8. Bird
9. Russell
10. Hakeem
RoCo's option was picked up. Easily the best contract in the league at 1.5 mill this year.
Jay what do you mean by #1 in all advanced metrics?
Are just saying PER?
What about BPM OBPM DPBM VORP TSP?
In regular season and finals
Woah woah woah, what's going on!? Zach Lowe, Woj and Stein reporting that the Celtics are deep in talks to trade down from #1 to #3.
I trust Ainge but am terrified!
Quote from: Jay on June 17, 2017, 09:27:00 AM
Woah woah woah, what's going on!? Zach Lowe, Woj and Stein reporting that the Celtics are deep in talks to trade down from #1 to #3.
I trust Ainge but am terrified!
Perhaps they dont love fultz. Want to keep IT and therefore draft tatum or jackson.
Makes total sense.
6'ers want Fultz. Word is that it's going to be a 3 team trade with the following.
6'ers get Fultz
Boston get Butler
Chicago get 3, Lakers First, Jah and maybe the 6'ers 2019 first. It depends on if Chicago want Jah or not if it's the 19 first or him and maybe a 2nd
Quote from: Mat0369 on June 17, 2017, 12:50:12 PM
6'ers want Fultz. Word is that it's going to be a 3 team trade with the following.
6'ers get Fultz
Boston get Butler
Chicago get 3, Lakers First, Jah and maybe the 6'ers 2019 first. It depends on if Chicago want Jah or not if it's the 19 first or him and maybe a 2nd
What do Lakers get? Looks like they just give up their pick for nothing in this scenario.
Quote from: valkorum on June 17, 2017, 03:04:15 PM
Quote from: Mat0369 on June 17, 2017, 12:50:12 PM
6'ers want Fultz. Word is that it's going to be a 3 team trade with the following.
6'ers get Fultz
Boston get Butler
Chicago get 3, Lakers First, Jah and maybe the 6'ers 2019 first. It depends on if Chicago want Jah or not if it's the 19 first or him and maybe a 2nd
What do Lakers get? Looks like they just give up their pick for nothing in this scenario.
It'll be our pick next year that the Sixers own
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Quote from: LaHug on June 17, 2017, 03:20:33 PM
Quote from: valkorum on June 17, 2017, 03:04:15 PM
Quote from: Mat0369 on June 17, 2017, 12:50:12 PM
6'ers want Fultz. Word is that it's going to be a 3 team trade with the following.
6'ers get Fultz
Boston get Butler
Chicago get 3, Lakers First, Jah and maybe the 6'ers 2019 first. It depends on if Chicago want Jah or not if it's the 19 first or him and maybe a 2nd
What do Lakers get? Looks like they just give up their pick for nothing in this scenario.
It'll be our pick next year that the Sixers own
Geez thats way way too much for fultz.
2 top 3 picks and a lottery pick for pick 1.
Thry must love fultz.
They should just keep butler
This is from Woj
Discussions have centered on Sixers sending 2017 No. 3, 2018 Lakers pick, and possibly 2021 1st -- including complicated protections.
That's crazy good value for the 6'ers. The prospects with the Lakers pick won't be as good as Fultz (or as good a fit since it's big heavy) and by 2021 Embiid, Simmons, Fultz and Saric should be in their primes.
Pompey is reporting this
#Lakers can screws things up by drafting Josh Jackson. That's why word out of Boston is #Celtics want to wait until draft night.
Lakers were really unhappy with Jacksons workout so it looks like they are looking at Fultz or Ball.
Knowing Philly luck they will take Jackson.
https://twitter.com/JoelEmbiid/status/876138789378433024/photo/1
Trade done!
Adrian Wojnarowski
âœ"@WojVerticalNBA
Sources: For top pick, Sixers planning to send Celtics '17 No. 3 overall pick, '18 FRP (via LA) and '19 FRP (via Kings) - w/ protections.
I don't like sending the Kings pick and was hoping we sent ours. It will be interesting to see the protections since that draft is loaded and I'm betting it's a top 3 pick. Hopefully it's top 4 protected
Love getting the Kings pick, and will be very interested to see what the protections are. I wouldn't rule out there being some reverse protections in there.
Sounds like Jackson is the guy at #3 which I really don't like, I don't trust his jumpshot at all and he's pretty old for a freshman. Hopefully the Lakers take him and we end up with Lonzo, who in my opinion, would be a better fit for Philadelphia than Fultz anyway.
Saw it. Kings pick better be protected. However
Fultz, TJ
Stauskas, Korkmaz
RoCo, TLC
Simmons, Saric
THE PROCESS, Holmes
They can also line up like this
Simmons, TJ
Fultz, Sauce, Korkmaz
RoCo, TLC
Saric, ???
Process, Holmes
Woj and Derek Bodner reporting that the Celtics will get Lakers pick if it falls between 2 and 5 in the 2018 draft, if not will get the 2019 Kings pick. Still yet to hear if this would be protected.
Very interesting, makes me like it less but if there's any franchise that I'm happy to bet against, its the Kings (sorry Valk)
Clarification on deal: Besides its 2017 FRP, Philly sends '18 Lakers pick w/ protections. If it doesn't convey, 76ers send 2019 Kings pick.
Kings pick has more value. I'd rather remove the protections on the Lakers pick completely and keep the Kings pick
Quote from: Mat0369 on June 18, 2017, 02:39:49 PM
Clarification on deal: Besides its 2017 FRP, Philly sends '18 Lakers pick w/ protections. If it doesn't convey, 76ers send 2019 Kings pick.
Kings pick has more value. I'd rather remove the protections on the Lakers pick completely and keep the Kings pick
id imagine the Celtics wanted it to be 2018 if its top 5 and then Philly pushed back changing it to 2-5.
Celtics know the kings pick is more valuable but if Lakers go top 5 then take that.
Smart from Ainge.
in saying that love the Philly line up (IF HEALTHY)
#RTArmageddon
Lakers will send D'Angelo + Mozgov to Brooklyn for Lopez.
Good deal for the Lakers, but damn Brooklyn, still destroying your team right down to ash. :o
I don't mind it from both sides jvalles.
LA - clears one of the worst contracts in the NBA, makes them an even bigger candidate for FA's next year and add a good center.
Nets - yes they lose a franchise star but they also add a great young talent with a better age profile. Taking on bad contracts to gain young assets is exactly how they need to dig themselves out of this hole.
This is an awesome trade for the Nets. They were always going to trade Brook's expiring and managed to get a young guy with very high potential in exchange for taking on Mozgov's contract.
For the Lakers, this is the darkest timeline. Due to last year's incompetent signings, we basically just traded our previous number 2 pick for pick 27 and still not enough cap space due to Deng being on the books. Unless this is part of something bigger (i.e. getting George early without having to lose another young player), I'm very very bitter.
Does anyone actually believe though that there is a light at the end of the Brooklyn tunnel??? Hell no! A Russell/Lin backcourt will be horrendous.
Lakers definitely look to be building towards something large.
Not for the next few years but it's clearly a step in the right direction ???
Quote from: Toga on June 21, 2017, 12:29:03 PM
Not for the next few years but it's clearly a step in the right direction ???
It's all moot though when you have the Warriors... ::)
This one came out of the blue.
Hornets get: Dwight Howard + 31st pick
Hawks get: Miles Plumlee + Marco Bellinelli + 41st pick
Surely the biggest news is Jackson not working out with Celtics
Quote from: R.Griffen on June 21, 2017, 02:31:59 PM
Surely the biggest news is Jackson not working out with Celtics
He said if they intend to trade the pick he isn't working out for them which is fair enough. You don't want to injure yourself in a meaningless workout for a team with no real pick when it could cost you a lot of money in the long run.
Quote from: Mat0369 on June 21, 2017, 07:50:42 PM
Quote from: R.Griffen on June 21, 2017, 02:31:59 PM
Surely the biggest news is Jackson not working out with Celtics
He said if they intend to trade the pick he isn't working out for them which is fair enough. You don't want to injure yourself in a meaningless workout for a team with no real pick when it could cost you a lot of money in the long run.
Yeah it is fair enough, think its saying more about the Celtics being unsure what they are trying to achieve atm
Quote from: R.Griffen on June 21, 2017, 09:28:00 PM
Quote from: Mat0369 on June 21, 2017, 07:50:42 PM
Quote from: R.Griffen on June 21, 2017, 02:31:59 PM
Surely the biggest news is Jackson not working out with Celtics
He said if they intend to trade the pick he isn't working out for them which is fair enough. You don't want to injure yourself in a meaningless workout for a team with no real pick when it could cost you a lot of money in the long run.
Yeah it is fair enough, think its saying more about the Celtics being unsure what they are trying to achieve atm
Scheduling issue
Boston is expected to draft Tatum and not Jackson.
Danny Ainge has made it clear that the Celtics will get the same player picking third that they would've gotten picking first, which means he was never as high on Fultz as most. And everything I've heard in the past 48 hours suggests Tatum will be the pick. The one-and-done prospect from Duke should crack Boston's rotation immediately and provide play-making ability that'll make Thomas' job easier. It's not often that a top-three pick joins a 50-win team. So Tatum should feel fortunate if things break this way.
Pelicans send Tim Frazier to Wizards for the #52 pick. Nice back-up for Wall with a throwaway pick.
Quote from: jvalles69 on June 22, 2017, 11:55:11 AM
Pelicans send Tim Frazier to Wizards for the #52 pick. Nice back-up for Wall with a throwaway pick.
Pelicans why? just why
Jrue Holiday
Quinn Cook
E'Twaun Moore
Jordan Crawford
they have 1 good guard and he is always injured.
Quote from: Holz on June 22, 2017, 11:59:38 AM
Quote from: jvalles69 on June 22, 2017, 11:55:11 AM
Pelicans send Tim Frazier to Wizards for the #52 pick. Nice back-up for Wall with a throwaway pick.
Pelicans why? just why
Jrue Holiday
Quinn Cook
E'Twaun Moore
Jordan Crawford
they have 1 good guard and he is always injured.
Maybe they re-sign Galloway seeing as he just opted out at the Kings :)
Quote from: valkorum on June 22, 2017, 01:11:18 PM
Quote from: Holz on June 22, 2017, 11:59:38 AM
Quote from: jvalles69 on June 22, 2017, 11:55:11 AM
Pelicans send Tim Frazier to Wizards for the #52 pick. Nice back-up for Wall with a throwaway pick.
Pelicans why? just why
Jrue Holiday
Quinn Cook
E'Twaun Moore
Jordan Crawford
they have 1 good guard and he is always injured.
Maybe they re-sign Galloway seeing as he just opted out at the Kings :)
maybe they are trading Davis?
how robbed would Boggie Counsins feel, he would be in a worse situation then the Kings.
maybe they are getting Chris Paul though?
Quote from: Holz on June 22, 2017, 01:15:00 PM
maybe they are trading Davis?
how robbed would Boggie Counsins feel, he would be in a worse situation then the Kings.
maybe they are getting Chris Paul though?
Was a rumour earlier about Davis to Boston, so that would be terrible for DMC. He would be at the Pelicans with even less pieces around him that what he had at the Kings
If they got CP3 there could be some very heated locker rooms moments between CP3 and DMC - they dont share much love for each other.
Quote from: valkorum on June 22, 2017, 01:39:32 PM
Quote from: Holz on June 22, 2017, 01:15:00 PM
maybe they are trading Davis?
how robbed would Boggie Counsins feel, he would be in a worse situation then the Kings.
maybe they are getting Chris Paul though?
Was a rumour earlier about Davis to Boston, so that would be terrible for DMC. He would be at the Pelicans with even less pieces around him that what he had at the Kings
If they got CP3 there could be some very heated locker rooms moments between CP3 and DMC - they dont share much love for each other.
At least one bright thing for Cousins is that Boston might have to give up say 3-4 first rounders for next year.
so they can build some talent but gee it would be a waste of his prime.
if only these guys where stuck in LA.
Lebron and George would sign one year deals and then Join them
imagine
James George Davis Cousins v Curry Klay Durant Green
id pick the Lakers in 5 or 6. Just too big.
Quote from: Holz on June 22, 2017, 01:52:05 PM
At least one bright thing for Cousins is that Boston might have to give up say 3-4 first rounders for next year.
so they can build some talent but gee it would be a waste of his prime.
if only these guys where stuck in LA.
Lebron and George would sign one year deals and then Join them
imagine
James George Davis Cousins v Curry Klay Durant Green
id pick the Lakers in 5 or 6. Just too big.
Then add Lonzo Ball as your guard - would be a damn nice team.
Suns looking to offload Blesloe :o
http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/246394/Suns-Attempting-To-Trade-Away-Eric-Bledsoe
Quote from: valkorum on June 22, 2017, 02:11:54 PM
Suns looking to offload Blesloe :o
http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/246394/Suns-Attempting-To-Trade-Away-Eric-Bledsoe
Paving the way for a De'Aaron Fox/Devin Booker backcourt?
Does anyone know if the full NBA combine shows that ESPN produced are available to watch anywhere
Quote from: valkorum on June 22, 2017, 02:06:53 PM
Quote from: Holz on June 22, 2017, 01:52:05 PM
At least one bright thing for Cousins is that Boston might have to give up say 3-4 first rounders for next year.
so they can build some talent but gee it would be a waste of his prime.
if only these guys where stuck in LA.
Lebron and George would sign one year deals and then Join them
imagine
James George Davis Cousins v Curry Klay Durant Green
id pick the Lakers in 5 or 6. Just too big.
Then add Lonzo Ball as your guard - would be a damn nice team.
or Fox and you would have an even better team
Leave Fox alone - he is going to the Kings at 5 8)
Quote from: valkorum on June 22, 2017, 03:07:57 PM
Leave Fox alone - he is going to the Kings at 5 8)
some people have Fox at 4 to the suns aswell.
Futlz Jackson Tatum Fox i cant see anything wrong with either of them if all 4 go though you would kave to take ball and im not sure about him at all.
Hearing early reports that PG13 is on his way to the Lakers, nothing confirmed yet.
Quote from: jvalles69 on June 22, 2017, 03:32:01 PM
Hearing early reports that PG13 is on his way to the Lakers, nothing confirmed yet.
There is a fake news story claiming to be from Woj... but it was dated yesterday.
Clarkson, Randle, #27, #28 to Paces for PG13
Really interested to see which way the Celtics go at #3
Quote from: valkorum on June 22, 2017, 04:00:42 PM
Quote from: jvalles69 on June 22, 2017, 03:32:01 PM
Hearing early reports that PG13 is on his way to the Lakers, nothing confirmed yet.
There is a fake news story claiming to be from Woj... but it was dated yesterday.
Clarkson, Randle, #27, #28 to Paces for PG13
Ah, must be where it came from...don't know if Lakers would trade for him or just wait a year.
Quote from: jvalles69 on June 22, 2017, 04:30:18 PM
Ah, must be where it came from...don't know if Lakers would trade for him or just wait a year.
IMO they wouldn't be offering much seeing as they can get him for nothing next season.
Trailblazers just tweeted:
@WojVerticalNBA U Up?
Is something in the works for the Blazers?
I'm wearing my Embiid jersey to work tomorrow. I don't care. It's Process time.
http://hinkie.theringer.com/
Fultzadelphia!
Ball officially a Laker.
Oh, and 'Chicago is finalizing a deal to send Jimmy Butler to Minnesota for Zach LaVine, Kris Dunn and No. 7 pick, league source says.'
Boston (https://content.boards.philadelphiaeagles.com/emoticons/default_sideroll.gif)
Congrats Suns on having Jackson fall to you.
Kings take Fox - YES BABY!!!
Isaac to Magic at 6
Woj reporting that Bulls will select Markkanen with their newly acquired pick 7
And Knicks to pick Ntilinkina at 8
Dallas to take Dennis Smith
Looks like kings are trading pick 10 to Portland for 15 & 20. I like this.
Portland to select Collins with the pick
Salary dump for Monk. Kthxbi
Monk at 11 to the Hornets
Top 10 round up
1: Fultz (76'ers)
2: Ball (Lakers)
3: Tatum (Celtics)
4: Jackson (Suns)
5: Fox (Kings)
6: Isaac (Magic)
7: Markkanen (T-Wolves --> Bulls)
8: Ntilikina (Knicks)
9: Smith Jr (Mavericks)
10: Collins (Kings --> Blazers)
Quote from: valkorum on June 23, 2017, 11:46:36 AM
Monk at 11 to the Hornets
Steal of the draft?
I think Phoenix and Sac did very well thanks to Celtics pick but this is huge at 11.
Not sure if Monk at 11 is the steal of the draft... still very nice
11 - 15
11: Monk (Hornets)
12: Kennard (Pistons)
13: Mitchells (Nuggets)
14: Adebayo (Heat)
15: Jackson (Kings)
Jimmy Butler to Minnesota! I feel suddenly more interested in my chosen team ;D
Quote from: fanTCfool on June 23, 2017, 07:20:06 PM
Jimmy Butler to Minnesota! I feel suddenly more interested in my chosen team ;D
also loved who you drafted being a Creighton fan
Quote from: Mat0369 on June 23, 2017, 10:57:56 AM
Boston (https://content.boards.philadelphiaeagles.com/emoticons/default_sideroll.gif)
Because we passed up Jackson? Lol. He's probably the most overrated prospect in the draft, can't create his own offense, below average wingspan, horrible jumpshot. I would've preferred Isaac or Smith at #3, and obviously would've preferred to keep #1 and take Fultz, but at least there's a path for Tatum to be an all-star. Think we flowered up though, the talent difference betwen Fultz and Tatum >>> the Lakers/SAC pick.
Also I need to rant on the Butler trade.. Wtf was that!? I would've given that trade an F for Chicago if it was just Butler for #7, Dunn and Lavine.. Then saw that Chicago have to add in pick 16 as well!? That's an F- to me. They've been floating around Butler trade rumours for 12 months now, and this is the best they could come up with?
Kris Dunn is 23 years old, he's not your typical rookie, yet he still finished 399th out of 468 players in RPM last season, and had a PER of 8.1. He sucks.
Lavine is a talented player yes, but is so reliant on his athleticism and he's coming off an ACL.
Pick 7 they inexplicably took Markkanen with Dennis Smith still on the board even though they need a point guard.
This makes me mad as a Celtics fan but it comes down to 2 options:
a) Did Boston refuse to beat this Minnesota offer? If so, they're bigger idiots than what I thought. I haven't been all in on trading youth for wins because of how good the Warriors are, but if a superstar like Butler is on the table for such a low price you have to do that.
Or b) Chicaago are so stupid that Boston offered a good package for Butler but they turned it down in favour of the garbage that Minnesota offered. Remember last year how much Chicago wanted Dunn, I bet their front office still values him that highly despite being one of the worst players in the league last year. Everyone talks about how New York and SAC have the most dysfunctional front office, but I think Chicago is now the worst. They haven't made a good move since the Rose trade.
Frustrating night. But shoutout to the Kings, Magic, Mavs, Hornets and Lakers who I thought did really well tonight.
Quote from: Jay on June 23, 2017, 11:35:21 PM
Quote from: Mat0369 on June 23, 2017, 10:57:56 AM
Boston (https://content.boards.philadelphiaeagles.com/emoticons/default_sideroll.gif)
Because we passed up Jackson? Lol. He's probably the most overrated prospect in the draft, can't create his own offense, below average wingspan, horrible jumpshot. I would've preferred Isaac or Smith at #3, and obviously would've preferred to keep #1 and take Fultz, but at least there's a path for Tatum to be an all-star. Think we flowered up though, the talent difference betwen Fultz and Tatum >>> the Lakers/SAC pick.
I wouldn't say overrated but I personally had Tatum has a better player atm, maybe not the potential. However without having Butler or PG locked in going to Celtics I think it was stupid trading away Fultz despite me personally not rating him that in front of Tatum. Just really strange dealing on a pick 1 and no short term benefit
Quote from: Jay on June 23, 2017, 11:35:21 PM
Because we passed up Jackson? Lol. He's probably the most overrated prospect in the draft, can't create his own offense, below average wingspan, horrible jumpshot. I would've preferred Isaac or Smith at #3, and obviously would've preferred to keep #1 and take Fultz, but at least there's a path for Tatum to be an all-star. Think we flowered up though, the talent difference betwen Fultz and Tatum >>> the Lakers/SAC pick.
Also I need to rant on the Butler trade.. Wtf was that!? I would've given that trade an F for Chicago if it was just Butler for #7, Dunn and Lavine.. Then saw that Chicago have to add in pick 16 as well!? That's an F- to me. They've been floating around Butler trade rumours for 12 months now, and this is the best they could come up with?
Kris Dunn is 23 years old, he's not your typical rookie, yet he still finished 399th out of 468 players in RPM last season, and had a PER of 8.1. He sucks.
Lavine is a talented player yes, but is so reliant on his athleticism and he's coming off an ACL.
Pick 7 they inexplicably took Markkanen with Dennis Smith still on the board even though they need a point guard.
This makes me mad as a Celtics fan but it comes down to 2 options:
a) Did Boston refuse to beat this Minnesota offer? If so, they're bigger idiots than what I thought. I haven't been all in on trading youth for wins because of how good the Warriors are, but if a superstar like Butler is on the table for such a low price you have to do that.
Or b) Chicaago are so stupid that Boston offered a good package for Butler but they turned it down in favour of the garbage that Minnesota offered. Remember last year how much Chicago wanted Dunn, I bet their front office still values him that highly despite being one of the worst players in the league last year. Everyone talks about how New York and SAC have the most dysfunctional front office, but I think Chicago is now the worst. They haven't made a good move since the Rose trade.
Frustrating night. But shoutout to the Kings, Magic, Mavs, Hornets and Lakers who I thought did really well tonight.
It wasn't just Tatum over Jackson, it's the whole scenario. 'Oh we would have taken Tatum at 1'. That is the biggest load of BS I've heard. Had Jackson worked out for the Celtics they 100% would have taken him at 3. And not only did they get stuck with Tatum, they got beat to the punch on a Butler trade by the Bulls and they can't get their 1 year rental in George because they now have a stalemate. If it wasn't for Brooklyn being completely idiotic Ainge looks like a fool every off-season. He still hasn't landed his big fish and traded away his best asset in Fultz for Tatum.
How bout Brian Colangelo. Made a good move to grab Fultz, made an absolutely horrendous one in the Noel trade. That Noel fake first ended up becoming a fake 2nd. They sold the pick for cash (and were already at the limit for money that could be earn through trades!). Thankfully Hinkie has left him in an idiot proof situation. As long as he can keep this core together they're going to be legit in a couple of seasons.
Quote from: Mat0369 on June 24, 2017, 01:05:39 AM
Quote from: Jay on June 23, 2017, 11:35:21 PM
Because we passed up Jackson? Lol. He's probably the most overrated prospect in the draft, can't create his own offense, below average wingspan, horrible jumpshot. I would've preferred Isaac or Smith at #3, and obviously would've preferred to keep #1 and take Fultz, but at least there's a path for Tatum to be an all-star. Think we flowered up though, the talent difference betwen Fultz and Tatum >>> the Lakers/SAC pick.
Also I need to rant on the Butler trade.. Wtf was that!? I would've given that trade an F for Chicago if it was just Butler for #7, Dunn and Lavine.. Then saw that Chicago have to add in pick 16 as well!? That's an F- to me. They've been floating around Butler trade rumours for 12 months now, and this is the best they could come up with?
Kris Dunn is 23 years old, he's not your typical rookie, yet he still finished 399th out of 468 players in RPM last season, and had a PER of 8.1. He sucks.
Lavine is a talented player yes, but is so reliant on his athleticism and he's coming off an ACL.
Pick 7 they inexplicably took Markkanen with Dennis Smith still on the board even though they need a point guard.
This makes me mad as a Celtics fan but it comes down to 2 options:
a) Did Boston refuse to beat this Minnesota offer? If so, they're bigger idiots than what I thought. I haven't been all in on trading youth for wins because of how good the Warriors are, but if a superstar like Butler is on the table for such a low price you have to do that.
Or b) Chicaago are so stupid that Boston offered a good package for Butler but they turned it down in favour of the garbage that Minnesota offered. Remember last year how much Chicago wanted Dunn, I bet their front office still values him that highly despite being one of the worst players in the league last year. Everyone talks about how New York and SAC have the most dysfunctional front office, but I think Chicago is now the worst. They haven't made a good move since the Rose trade.
Frustrating night. But shoutout to the Kings, Magic, Mavs, Hornets and Lakers who I thought did really well tonight.
It wasn't just Tatum over Jackson, it's the whole scenario. 'Oh we would have taken Tatum at 1'. That is the biggest load of BS I've heard. Had Jackson worked out for the Celtics they 100% would have taken him at 3. And not only did they get stuck with Tatum, they got beat to the punch on a Butler trade by the Bulls and they can't get their 1 year rental in George because they now have a stalemate. If it wasn't for Brooklyn being completely idiotic Ainge looks like a fool every off-season. He still hasn't landed his big fish and traded away his best asset in Fultz for Tatum.
Disagree that we would've taken Jackson over Tatum. Ainge said that he was disappointed, but it didn't discount Jackson from being picked. Not sure where you get this Jackson love from, most mocks had us going Tatum and a lot of the statistical models have Tatum over Jackson. As I said, we probably did beat the T-Wolves offer but Chicago just way overrate Dunn. And why would we give up a good asset for George when he'll probably leave and we'd still lose to CLE. Go back and look at every move Ainge has made, even since the BKN trade, he literally never loses.
Rondo for Crowder + a first + two second round picks
CLE first round pick for Isaiah Thomas
Got a first round pick for Jeff Green
The Avery Bradley and Jae Crowder contracts were absolute steals
Drafted Jaylen at #3 who probably goes #3 in a re-draft behind Simmons and Murray - that's a good pick.
Signed Al Horford
That's just a snapshot of what he's done since the BKN trade, which by the way, was getting 3 unprotected first round picks + swap rights in 2017 for 36yo Paul Pierce and 37yo Garnett. And before that, he built a championship team by drafting well and accumulating assets until he could flip them for all-stars. Yeah the trade with Philly looks eh for us but let's see how it pans out, there's a scenario where Fultz isn't as good as people think and we end up with a top 3 pick next year + Tatum. Even though I'm not a 100% trust in Ainge guy, just looking at his track record, he's in the conversation for one of the better GMs of all time so I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.
Milwaukee's Malcolm Brogdon wins ROTY
What bullcrap is that? #NotMyRookieOfTheYear
Quote from: Mat0369 on June 27, 2017, 01:00:27 PM
What bullcrap is that? #NotMyRookieOfTheYear
Its ok
Simmons Fultz next year.
could get 1 and 2
RUSSELL WESTBROOK MVP 8)
Quote from: Toga on June 27, 2017, 02:28:16 PM
RUSSELL WESTBROOK MVP 8)
meh
32 11 10 on 43% shooting on a losing team gets you the MVP
34 12 10 on 56% shooting on a losing team gets you nothing but criticism.
if thats how the awards get handed out what value do they have.
Quote from: Holz on June 27, 2017, 02:38:43 PM
Quote from: Toga on June 27, 2017, 02:28:16 PM
RUSSELL WESTBROOK MVP 8)
meh
32 11 10 on 43% shooting on a losing team gets you the MVP
34 12 10 on 56% shooting on a losing team gets you nothing but criticism.
if thats how the awards get handed out what value do they have.
Salty
Quote from: R.Griffen on June 27, 2017, 05:42:56 PM
Quote from: Holz on June 27, 2017, 02:38:43 PM
Quote from: Toga on June 27, 2017, 02:28:16 PM
RUSSELL WESTBROOK MVP 8)
meh
32 11 10 on 43% shooting on a losing team gets you the MVP
34 12 10 on 56% shooting on a losing team gets you nothing but criticism.
if thats how the awards get handed out what value do they have.
Salty
of course i am.
MVP/ Finals MVP is not the best player, Its given to the best player on a top team in the regular season and the top player in the championship team.
Lebron was the top player in the finals but wasn't on the winning team so fair enough.
Westbrook wasn't as good as Lebron was in the finals yet he gets the MVP being the 10th best team in the league.
Leonard, Durant, Curry or Harden should have got the MVP. They got their teams to top 3 in the league in the regular season.
I personally think Lebron Harden Durrant had better seasons then Westbrook but thats besides the point, he should be ineligible being the 10th best team in a 32 team league. He only just edged out the Atlanta Hawks.
Its not too bad, Westbrook will probably never win another award or title. Will go down in Hisotry as a poor man's steve nash.
as a poor man's steve nash????
Steve Nash averaged a triple double one season? When was that?
Quote from: Toga on June 27, 2017, 12:28:34 PM
Milwaukee's Malcolm Brogdon wins ROTY
Happy with this. He was good, durable and played a role on a winning team. Was worried that Saric was going to win it.
Quote from: R.Griffen on June 27, 2017, 07:33:29 PM
as a poor man's steve nash????
Steve Nash averaged a triple double one season? When was that?
Ask Shaq about Nash's MVP 8)
Quote from: valkorum on June 27, 2017, 08:57:45 PM
Quote from: R.Griffen on June 27, 2017, 07:33:29 PM
as a poor man's steve nash????
Steve Nash averaged a triple double one season? When was that?
Ask Shaq about Nash's MVP 8)
Yeah that was the comparison. Not game styles
CP3 to the Rockets!
Chris Paul and James Harden, wowee!
:o
Quote from: TomK on June 29, 2017, 02:43:19 AM
CP3 to the Rockets!
Chris Paul and James Harden, wowee!
Shocking move by the Rockets
Who is gonna have the ball in their hands? Both Harden and CP3 need the ball in their hands to be effective
Quote from: valkorum on June 29, 2017, 12:37:07 PM
Who is gonna have the ball in their hands? Both Harden and CP3 need the ball in their hands to be effective
While another star doesnt hurt and its certainly a correct move by the rockets.
not sure its the best move for Cp3
Cp3 Leonard combo makes soo much sense.
When you can upgrade from Lou Williams and Patrick Beverley to Chris flowering Paul you absolutely have to do it. He's still a top 5 player in the league, just the sheer talent makes it worth it. But I think most are being too negative on the fit between him and Harden. They are both excellent shooters, Harden in particular is great at catching and shooting, they don't have to completely carry the offensive burden like last season where in particular Harden was just gassed late in games. Also Paul is still awesome defensively which helps cover for Harden's weaknesses.
I like it for both teams.
Quote from: Jay on June 29, 2017, 08:18:18 PM
When you can upgrade from Lou Williams and Patrick Beverley to Chris flowering Paul you absolutely have to do it. He's still a top 5 player in the league, just the sheer talent makes it worth it. But I think most are being too negative on the fit between him and Harden. They are both excellent shooters, Harden in particular is great at catching and shooting, they don't have to completely carry the offensive burden like last season where in particular Harden was just gassed late in games. Also Paul is still awesome defensively which helps cover for Harden's weaknesses.
I like it for both teams.
Agree with all that but was it the best fit for Paul?
Paul Leonard combo makes loads of sense. Shut down people on defense let paul handle the ball.
I wonder if he could have worked out a deal with Boston. Isiah Thomas and a pick for Paul. Then the celtics trade the picks for Paul George and then it would be pretty easy to entice Haywood to join
Paul Bradley George Haywood Horford with Tatum Crowder off the bench.
All the talk about his fit with San Antonio is all well and good but if they can't afford him then it's kind of a moot point Holz.
Also, it's Hayward - HayWARD!!!! :P
Quote from: Toga on June 30, 2017, 02:47:17 PM
All the talk about his fit with San Antonio is all well and good but if they can't afford him then it's kind of a moot point Holz.
Also, it's Hayward - HayWARD!!!! :P
Ward what a spud name.
I got Hugh Greenwood fever.
Quote from: Toga on June 30, 2017, 02:47:17 PM
All the talk about his fit with San Antonio is all well and good but if they can't afford him then it's kind of a moot point Holz.
Also, it's Hayward - HayWARD!!!! :P
I have their salary cap at $75,443,190
so im pretty sure they could have done a sign and trade.
the cap is 99/119
Paul is Making
$24,268,959
So in total thats under $100 million
so that gives them $19 million to resign Patrick Mills, Jonathon Simmons
they can dump Pau Manu, perhaps trade parker.
im not sure if they had the assets thats the bigger question. Perhaps this is why they traded to move on LA for a top 10 pick to send it to LA.
upon reflection it would have been tough. This probably came a year too early. next year they get parker off their books only have LA Leonard Green Anderson Murray
Quote from: Jay on June 27, 2017, 08:24:32 PM
Happy with this. He was good, durable and played a role on a winning team. Was worried that Saric was going to win it.
Because he was so much better than Embiid and Saric ::)
If people are going to complain that JoJo who was the best rookie by a mile didn't play enough it had to go to Dario. I've won as many rookie of the month awards as Brogdan. And the whole 'he was on a winning team argument is BS'. It's rookie of the year not MVP. Brogdan would have made no difference to the Bucks success, that is all Giannis.
Quote from: R.Griffen on June 29, 2017, 11:54:14 AM
Shocking move by the Rockets
Agreed. First off they could have got him as a FA. 2nd of all, he and Harden are playing the exact same position. Harden can go back to SG but he has always been the main ball handler, even at that position.
On the houston could have got him in FA.
I think paul instigated the sign and trafe. Didnt he notify LA.
Also for cap reasons isnt it better to trade for paul rather then sign him.
They might land another guy
Griffin re-signed with the Clipperd for 5 years.
And George has been traded for Sabonis and VO. Even if it's a 1 year rental that's a great trade for the Thunder. No word of picks yet.
Looks like Teague is on his way to Mine... Teague, Butler, Wiggins, Towns, Dieng is a mad lineup.
So Indy didn't want Bradley or Crowder but wanted Oladipo on $21 million and Sabonis w/ no picks. Get the flower out of here.
Clippers got a better return for CP3 WHO WAS A FLOWERING FREE AGENT than the Bulls or Pacers did for Butler/George. I need to lie down.
Quote from: jvalles69 on July 01, 2017, 01:39:11 PM
Looks like Teague is on his way to Mine... Teague, Butler, Wiggins, Towns, Dieng is a mad lineup.
Well flower me, Twolves going after Millsap now! :o
Quote from: Mat0369 on July 01, 2017, 12:55:55 PM
And George has been traded for Sabonis and VO. Even if it's a 1 year rental that's a great trade for the Thunder. No word of picks yet.
Especially considering Oladipo is owed $21m next season where as PG13 is only gonna get $19m
6'ers signed Reddick and Johnson to 1 year deals. A lot of money but they have a ton of space and it has no long term cap effects.
Kings just offered Otto Porter 4 year max. Otto hasn't signed the offer sheet yet (he is a RFA)
I dont mind this, he is only 24 and would fit in with the re-build.
Quote from: valkorum on July 03, 2017, 11:08:38 AM
Kings just offered Otto Porter 4 year max. Otto hasn't signed the offer sheet yet (he is a RFA)
I dont mind this, he is only 24 and would fit in with the re-build.
Sacramento Leverages at it again!
Before Otto arrived at Kings for a meeting, the Wizards said they would match any offer. Let's see if they can back up the talk.
Kings also meeting with Vince flowering Carter. I already have a nickname for him - KingCarter
Quote from: valkorum on July 03, 2017, 11:52:05 AM
Before Otto arrived at Kings for a meeting, the Wizards said they would match any offer. Let's see if they can back up the talk.
Kings also meeting with Vince flowering Carter. I already have a nickname for him - KingCarter
ha, ha! valk! :D
sorry I've been away, busy at work and going to head off on LSL soon (i'm an old man, my 2nd lot :P) ...
so what have I missed? everyone happy with their teams draft/FA signings so far?
i'm ok with Phoenix since we got the rookie we wanted at #4 and McDonough apparently even pulled a 'swifty' on Ainge to sway them to Tatum over Jackson just in case ... :P
so my "it's a conspiracy!" mood from the NBA draft lottery has been appeased but won't go away until they televise the ball-drop ...
CP3 to Houston - how many more years does he have on his deal??
Millsap next to Jokic should be fun to watch!
Indiana's stupidity ruined our off-season and it makes me very sad :(
Quote from: Jay on July 03, 2017, 07:52:36 PM
Indiana's stupidity ruined our off-season and it makes me very sad :(
Why take the best deal for your team to help you compete.
When you can make sure 1 team out of your conferance doesnt get stronger
Quote from: valkorum on July 03, 2017, 11:52:05 AM
Before Otto arrived at Kings for a meeting, the Wizards said they would match any offer. Let's see if they can back up the talk.
Wizards will match, there's next to no chance of them letting Otto go.
Quote from: Holz on July 03, 2017, 08:34:33 PM
Quote from: Jay on July 03, 2017, 07:52:36 PM
Indiana's stupidity ruined our off-season and it makes me very sad :(
Why take the best deal for your team to help you compete.
When you can make sure 1 team out of your conferance doesnt get stronger
Nate Duncan said it best: If the Pacers goal was to avoid coming up against Paul George then they made the right deal because this assures them of being out of the playoffs for a long time.
Even if I take away the Celtics component of this trade, how did they not accept Kevin Love over that package?
The must like Sabonis next to Turner. He had to be the main piece in this deal. VO went to college in Indiana so bringing him in means they will likely still get fans to games (not lose money) during a rebuild.
They could have had Noel, RoCo and 2 picks from the 6'ers instead at the deadline last year. They thought they could keep him, when they realised they couldn't they had to go into a rebuild.
Thunder have basically traded Ibaka for Geroge so that's worked out for them in the end.
I'm just waiting for Bill Simmons head to explode when Hayward signs with Utah or Miami. They would have missed out on Paul George, Blake Griffin, Kristaps, Jimmy Butler, and possibly Hayward. Throw in trading pick 1 for Tatum. It's ok Boston, you can always sign Gallinari as your big FA prize (https://content.boards.philadelphiaeagles.com/emoticons/default_sideroll.gif)
Quote from: Jay on July 03, 2017, 11:29:50 PM
Quote from: Holz on July 03, 2017, 08:34:33 PM
Quote from: Jay on July 03, 2017, 07:52:36 PM
Indiana's stupidity ruined our off-season and it makes me very sad :(
Why take the best deal for your team to help you compete.
When you can make sure 1 team out of your conferance doesnt get stronger
Nate Duncan said it best: If the Pacers goal was to avoid coming up against Paul George then they made the right deal because this assures them of being out of the playoffs for a long time.
Even if I take away the Celtics component of this trade, how did they not accept Kevin Love over that package?
Pretty much they can avoid the cavs too. Dont need to face anyone watching the playoffs on their tv
Gonna go out on a limb here and say Boston are going to be the biggest losers this off-season for not doing anything. Why would Hayward leave Gobert to play with IT/Horford? Maybe if Boston had gotten PG or another decent player, Ainge with the moves, then no moves...
Quote from: jvalles69 on July 04, 2017, 02:38:00 PM
Gonna go out on a limb here and say Boston are going to be the biggest losers this off-season for not doing anything. Why would Hayward leave Gobert to play with IT/Horford? Maybe if Boston had gotten PG or another decent player, Ainge with the moves, then no moves...
not just Gobert.
Rubio aswell.
IT is great at scoring but Rubio has him in passing and defense by a mile.
not only that
Rubio 26
Gobert 25
It 28
Horford 31
Tatum 19
and a boat load of draft picks. which at the moment are nothing but paper.
However in the East pretty much your getting an All Star spot and ECF.
however if your going east surely you go to Philly.
Imagine
Simmons Fultz Embiid Hayward Saric
trust the FEHDS
On the Boston note, Jaylen Brown and Jayson Tatum putting up some sick lines today to beat Philly by 1 pt. Adebayo solid too!
Spurs fan here but man am i hyped AF to see the TWolves... that team on paper looks f'n amazing.
damn shame they're part of the stupid strong west conference. if they were on the east i'd reckon they'd challenge LBJ and the cavs
Quote from: jvalles69 on July 03, 2017, 06:19:30 PM
Millsap next to Jokic should be fun to watch!
this.
Quote from: Mat0369 on July 02, 2017, 02:41:49 PM
6'ers signed Reddick and Johnson to 1 year deals. A lot of money but they have a ton of space and it has no long term cap effects.
exciting times for 6er fans... hope all them youngsters can keep fit.
Darren Collison to the Pacers on 2 year $20mil. 2nd year is partially guaranteed (don't know how much)
Z-Bo to Kings - 2 years, $24m
George Hill to Kings - 3 years, $57m (3rd year is partially guaranteed)
Hayward to Celtics confirmed
4 years, $128m (4th year player option)
Also, Otto Porter signed max offer sheet from Nets. 4 years, $106m
This is a great day. :)
Find someone who looks at you the way Brad Stevens looks at Gordon Hayward
(http://www.csnne.com/sites/csnne/files/2017/02/19/ap_100507136040.jpg)
(https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/Dnfmu.iPqZmx_hoiz15Hog--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjtzbT0xO3c9NzQ0O2g9NTg5/http://media.zenfs.com/en/homerun/feed_manager_auto_publish_494/a785d5d773f55d1691faca5a59c85778)
Oh, and this
https://www.instagram.com/p/BWJMNVnlPvP/?hl=en
So the Warriors have managed to turn Clark and Barnes into Casspi and Young this offseason. Arguably the best team in NBA history (in terms of raw talent at the very least) just got better. I think this is actually the best starting lineup AND deepest bench we've ever seen. You'd basically just have to turn Zaza into an elite C and you'd have an Olympics Dream Team type team. This is bonkers.
Quote from: LaHug on July 06, 2017, 12:48:32 PM
So the Warriors have managed to turn Clark and Barnes into Casspi and Young this offseason. Arguably the best team in NBA history (in terms of raw talent at the very least) just got better. I think this is actually the best starting lineup AND deepest bench we've ever seen. You'd basically just have to turn Zaza into an elite C and you'd have an Olympics Dream Team type team. This is bonkers.
Bad. This team is ridiculously strong.
Quote from: Keeper27 on July 06, 2017, 02:29:49 PM
Quote from: LaHug on July 06, 2017, 12:48:32 PM
So the Warriors have managed to turn Clark and Barnes into Casspi and Young this offseason. Arguably the best team in NBA history (in terms of raw talent at the very least) just got better. I think this is actually the best starting lineup AND deepest bench we've ever seen. You'd basically just have to turn Zaza into an elite C and you'd have an Olympics Dream Team type team. This is bonkers.
Bad. This team is ridiculously strong.
I was half expecting Gordon Hayward to join the squad.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BWMK_DdDakA/
Freak
Quote from: Mat0369 on July 07, 2017, 02:37:57 AM
https://www.instagram.com/p/BWMK_DdDakA/
Freak
But can he stay healthy? So much potential in that 6ers team.
He only needs to be healthy for 16 games when the 6'ers are on their way to sweeping everyone in the playoffs.
I'm also pretty sure that if it wasn't JoJo (who they're extra cautious with) and they didn't start sly tanking (the games meant nothing) they would have let him play through it. The foot looks to be holding up.
Apparently Lonzo was trash tonight and couldn't hit a shot.
Lonzo
Saw he only hit 1/11 threes :-X
He also missed two clutch shots at the end of the game. It's only summer league, but considering the one major worry is that his shooting wouldn't translate into the NBA that's a bad sign considering it isn't even against real NBA talent.
https://youtu.be/qcUXzrrVGAM
Shoots like that today and does this bull shower (0.17 seconds into video) and the defence wasn't even bad
I hate the off-season. Fultz has injured an ankle and can't put any weight on it. TLC copped an elbow to the mouth and is spurting out blood. Both happened on the same play....
Why can't we have nice things? :(
where rookies go to get hurt. Phily....
Quote from: R.Griffen on July 09, 2017, 08:51:06 PM
where rookies go to get hurt. Phily....
#TrustTheDoctors
He woke up with barely any swelling and has been walking around on it without a boot. He has even been out there dribbling around so finally something positive.
TLC has lost a part of a tooth in 2 games now. He also had stitches in his mouth.
Wonder if Philly are wishing they weren't paying Amir freaking Johnson $11 million now that KCP is an unrestricted free agent (https://content.boards.philadelphiaeagles.com/emoticons/default_sideroll.gif)
He would be an amazing fit.
Apart from the fact that it's Reddick, Fultz and Bayless taking most of the minutes at the 2 and RoCo, TLC and Anderson at the 3. Johnson is there for depth at the 4/5. With KCP you're paying him 20+ million to warm the bench when Brooklyn and LA will give him money and playing time.
Add this into it. From March 1st to the end of the season.
KCP
21gp, 30.7min, 11.6pts, .36/.28/.82 shooting, 2.8 reb, 1.8ast, .9stl
TLC
23gp, 28.3min, 11.7pts, .41/.32/.91 shooting, 3.7reb, 1.8ast, 1.0stl
And TLC is in year 2 of a rookie deal.
Apart from the fact that it's Reddick, Fultz and Bayless taking most of the minutes at the 2 and RoCo, TLC and Anderson at the 3. So you're paying him 20+ million to warm the bench when Brooklyn and LA will give him money and playing time.
Add this into it. From March 1st to the end of the season.
KCP
21gp, 30.7min, 11.6pts, .36/.28/.82 shooting, 2.8 reb, 1.8ast, .9stl
TLC
23gp, 28.3min, 11.7pts, .41/.32/.91 shooting, 3.7reb, 1.8ast, 1.0stl
And TLC is in year 2 of a rookie deal.
Meanwhile Boston is offloading assets for cents on the dollar. "But the Avery Bradley contract is a steal"(https://content.boards.philadelphiaeagles.com/emoticons/default_sideroll.gif)
Please don't compare a few months of box score stats... KCP can guard ones and twos (Something Simmons and Fultz can do neither of) and shot 35% on high volume from 3 last season.
You could've had a great piece to add to the already very talented young core and instead you've got Amir Johnson on $11 million. He can't rebound, can't catch a pass, can't finish and his shot takes half an hour to get off. Just severely misread his market early in free agency. That's why the Boston rebuild has been so good #NoBadContracts. Colangelo is really trying hard to undo Hinkie's amazing work. He wouldn't have signed Amir or even worse, Jerryd Bayless (https://content.boards.philadelphiaeagles.com/emoticons/default_sideroll.gif)
I'm good with Hayward, enjoy Amir :P
I'm showing you the progression TLC made. He took steps to becoming a really good 3 and D option off the bench and started to shine when the injury toll grew later in the season. If he can continue to develop you're getting a guy on a rookie scale deal while a team is breaking the bank for a guy that isn't a max contract player.
Covington can guard the 1-4, TLC can guard the 2-3, Simmons should be able to guard the 3-4 and Embiid is a beast. They will be a top 3 defense if everyone stays healthy anyway so whatever.
Again, your point is redundant. Johnson has nothing to do with signing KCP. Johnson is a 1 year stopgap depth option in case Embiid is injured. Right now the 6'ers PF/C situation is this. Saric, Embiid, Jah and Johnson. Maybe add Poythress. That also doesn't include the very likely possibility they move Jah during the season. Even playing small ball it's ridiculous to go into the season with Saric possibly having to play minutes at the 5 if injury strikes.
Reddick fills the need at shooting guard since his best asset is his 3 ball. Is KCP a better 3 point shooter than Reddick? The answer is pretty clear. Both are also on 1 year deals so if KCP is that good they can sign him next season if they really want to with all the money they will have. I'm also pretty sure the 6'ers had the cap space to sign him this year if they really wanted to, they just don't have the roster space (hence why Bolden will play in Serbia this year).
And you're talking about the Boston rebuild which just let go of a bunch of depth at critical positions because they literally couldn't afford them. Who have they got backing up Horford? They had to let both guys go because they spent all the cash on Hayward. It's all well and good getting a 'star' player but they have drafted a 3 in back to back drafts and went out and added another in FA to chew up all the cap (https://content.boards.philadelphiaeagles.com/emoticons/default_sideroll.gif). The 6'ers have the cap space to add a max contract player next season while also extending RoCo and Embiid. They're playing the long game and building a dynasty.
I'm good with Embiid. Enjoy not being good enough to beat the Cavs or Warriors :P By the time LeBron is gone good luck trying to keep up with Embiid, Saric, Simmons, Fultz and RoCo.
Amir's $11 million has everything to do with KCP, it's money that could've gone straight to him. All I'm saying is that KCP is a better player and a better fit for the 6'ers than Amir, why is that so hard to understand?
Haven't you got Holmes as well? He's better than Johnson, why not just give Amir's minutes to him? You guys aren't winning anything this year, it's still a rebuild, yet Colangelo is acting like you're going to the finals. Redick I didn't mind because at least he's a good player.
We let go of Bradley, Olynyk and Amir for Hayward, Morris, Tatum and Baynes. I'm good with that. Baynes, who is better than Amir and signed for $4 million, will likely start at the 5, and then Horford will move to the 5 to unleash our super wing lineup. That's where the NBA is going, most teams just don't have the personnel to pull it off.
What max free agent is Philly getting? LeBron? (https://content.boards.philadelphiaeagles.com/emoticons/default_sideroll.gif)
Embiid's a beast but he's played 31 games since he was drafted in 2014. Simmons is yet to play, Fultz has injury concerns too. If all these guys stay healthy you might be a 55-60 win team someday. We'll do that this season.. Something about a bird in the hand? And if the Isaiah/Horford team doesn't work out, we'll still have Smart, Brown, Tatum, BKN pick, SAC/LAL pick, Memphis pick and Hayward who will still be good when those guys are in their prime.
Wentz's QBR was worse than Osweiler and Krapernick's
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Lonzo Ball anybody?? :D
HOLY SHOWER KYRIE WANTS TO BE TRADED
:wow:
Kyrie for Melo + Porzingis? :P
Thoughts @Holz?
Don't mind Kyrie doing this, why have your career dictated by someone else (Lebron), has no input with Lebron there, unlikely to win the rings with their moves in the of season, rumours of them talking to D. Rose and Lebron all but certain to leave at the end of the season.
Quote from: jvalles69 on July 22, 2017, 06:28:59 PM
Don't mind Kyrie doing this, why have your career dictated by someone else (Lebron), has no input with Lebron there, unlikely to win the rings with their moves in the of season, rumours of them talking to D. Rose and Lebron all but certain to leave at the end of the season.
In saying that, on the other side, he's prob too young to realise the opportunity he's got to play alongside someone like Lebron...
Quote from: Jay on July 22, 2017, 05:19:55 PM
Thoughts @Holz?
I think he is worried about Lebron leaving and being left on a rubbish roster that isn't suited to him.
If thats not the reason then he is making a big mistake.
The whole i want to be "The man" thing is rubbish.
Knicks, Wolves, Heat, Spurs.
Knicks - Joke franchise and im not sure he would eclipse Porzingas.
Wolves - Thib will stress defence which he doesnt play and KAT Wiggins Butler, he wouldnt be "The Man" there
Spurs - They have no "The Man" Leonard is a better player then him and he isnt even "The Man"
Miami - probably the only team where he would be "The Man" on court. But Riley is the real "The Man"
He has the 9th highest usage rate in the NBA and took the 5th most Field Goal Attempts.
If he wants more ball or more attention he isn't going to get it anywhere else. He could go to Brooklyn and get 35 shots a night but nobody would care about him.
I think the Lebron leaving thing must be a very high chance. It sure looks like it with Butler George avoiding, Irving wanting to leave. Billips turning down the offer. Rose 1 year deal.
My prediction is if Ball and Ingram are great this year we will see George and Lebron move to LA
Quote from: jvalles69 on July 22, 2017, 08:31:21 PM
Quote from: jvalles69 on July 22, 2017, 06:28:59 PM
Don't mind Kyrie doing this, why have your career dictated by someone else (Lebron), has no input with Lebron there, unlikely to win the rings with their moves in the of season, rumours of them talking to D. Rose and Lebron all but certain to leave at the end of the season.
In saying that, on the other side, he's prob too young to realise the opportunity he's got to play alongside someone like Lebron...
I really rate him but he isnt a superstar. He doesnt play defence and he isnt an elite passer.
He can dribble and shoot thats it. He is the best in the world at Dribbling but he isnt an all round player.
Cavs wasted no time on Kyrie, D-Rose now starting PG and they should be able to move Kyrie for some decent pieces to contend next year.
Quote from: jvalles69 on July 25, 2017, 08:08:05 PM
Cavs wasted no time on Kyrie, D-Rose now starting PG and they should be able to move Kyrie for some decent pieces to contend next year.
Reckon we would have got regardless. Sad thing is id put cavs favourite.
Reckon rose would be fantastic off the bench. Providing much needed points.
This series would have been 3-2 warriors at the worst in my books so anyones game
Quote from: Holz on July 26, 2017, 12:33:33 AM
Quote from: jvalles69 on July 25, 2017, 08:08:05 PM
Cavs wasted no time on Kyrie, D-Rose now starting PG and they should be able to move Kyrie for some decent pieces to contend next year.
Reckon we would have got regardless. Sad thing is id put cavs favourite.
Reckon rose would be fantastic off the bench. Providing much needed points.
This series would have been 3-2 warriors at the worst in my books so anyones game
Adding Rose to last year's Cavs does nothing. They took one game from the Warriors by setting the record for 3s and almost took another because the refs were very poor. At best, that improves them to a 4-2 loss but, most likely, doesn't move it at all. Meanwhile, the Warriors actually improved their bench.
Quote from: LaHug on July 26, 2017, 09:20:02 AM
Quote from: Holz on July 26, 2017, 12:33:33 AM
Quote from: jvalles69 on July 25, 2017, 08:08:05 PM
Cavs wasted no time on Kyrie, D-Rose now starting PG and they should be able to move Kyrie for some decent pieces to contend next year.
Reckon we would have got regardless. Sad thing is id put cavs favourite.
Reckon rose would be fantastic off the bench. Providing much needed points.
This series would have been 3-2 warriors at the worst in my books so anyones game
Adding Rose to last year's Cavs does nothing. They took one game from the Warriors by setting the record for 3s and almost took another because the refs were very poor. At best, that improves them to a 4-2 loss but, most likely, doesn't move it at all. Meanwhile, the Warriors actually improved their bench.
Finals where alot closer then the 4-1 score
Game 1 where down by 7 at halftime. Williams 0/4
Game 2 down by 3 at half time, again Williams was 0/5
Momentum is a big thing, tied at half or up at those games could have been different stories.
Game 3: Lost right at the end, if where a few more points up then could have taken that game.
Game 5: under 10 point game. Plus if it was 2-2 or even 3-1 cavs the series could have played out differently.
Warriors bench was always good. Cavs got killed with their bench on the floor. Rose could totally change that, be an actual decent back up point guard.
Got to remember Lebron was only -7 for the series when on the floor.
Quote from: LaHug on July 26, 2017, 09:20:02 AM
Quote from: Holz on July 26, 2017, 12:33:33 AM
Quote from: jvalles69 on July 25, 2017, 08:08:05 PM
Cavs wasted no time on Kyrie, D-Rose now starting PG and they should be able to move Kyrie for some decent pieces to contend next year.
Reckon we would have got regardless. Sad thing is id put cavs favourite.
Reckon rose would be fantastic off the bench. Providing much needed points.
This series would have been 3-2 warriors at the worst in my books so anyones game
Adding Rose to last year's Cavs does nothing. They took one game from the Warriors by setting the record for 3s and almost took another because the refs were very poor. At best, that improves them to a 4-2 loss but, most likely, doesn't move it at all. Meanwhile, the Warriors actually improved their bench.
False. Cavs lost 2 games in the finals by less than 18 points. Add Rose's 18ppg and they would have won those games for sure, so after 5 games Cavs would have been up 3-2.
Honestly, Cavs did not need to panic and make any changes other than minor tinkers for the upcoming season. The East has been gutted and the West is stacked. IMO there are no real threats in the East for the Cavs, but if you want to go there Boston, Washington and Toronto are it in that order. These days a tonne of luck is needed to get through the regular season and finals unscathed/uninjured. Cavs just need to win the ECF, let the WCF teams beat the absolute buggery out of each other and hope whoever they meet in the finals have been banged up enough that the Cavs hold the advantage.
Personally I don't think Kyrie will be moved as they won't get the value for him, don't blame him for wanting out considering there were rumours of him being traded during the previous season, same with KLove. Surely there will be a bit of a rift in Cleveland now, but they are professionals and should still be able to go out on the floor and play like a team. DRose is much better back up than DWill, hopefully he can take the hit and come off the bench and not let his ego get in the way, he should be able to do what Harden did for OKC which would be huge as the rest of the bench are hot/cold/shower.
Totally right Jvalles,
Warriors despite being in the tough west have not had any struggles in the playoffs recently.
Portland, Injured Jazz and Spurs without Leonard and Parker is not tough.
This is a rough view of the seeds
1. GSW
2. Rockets
3. Spurs
4. Timberwolves
5. OKC
6. Denver
7. Clippers
8. Pelicans
So
round 1: Rondo, Cousins, Davis
round 2: Butler KAT Wiggins or Westbrook George
round 3: CP3 Harden or Leonard and the Spurs
That will take it out of them.
Knowing the warriors they will probably have every opponent injured anyway.
Where as Cavs:
Cleveland Cavaliers
Boston Celtics
Washington Wizards
Milwaukee Bucks
Toronto Raptors
Philadelphia 76ers
Miami Heat
Charlotte Hornets
Hornets, Bucks, Celtics
tougher then last year but looks better then the Warriors.
Thoughts on Melo going to OKC? Starting lineup would prob be Westbrook, PG13, Melo, Adams and Pat Patterson? That's a top 2 seed in the West for me, solid 5 and 3 closers. I rate them this high cos Melo goes up another level when he plays with top quality around him, see all international teams Melo has played on, arguably been the best on those teams.
Quote from: jvalles69 on July 26, 2017, 01:13:34 PM
Thoughts on Melo going to OKC? Starting lineup would prob be Westbrook, PG13, Melo, Adams and Pat Patterson? That's a top 2 seed in the West for me, solid 5 and 3 closers. I rate them this high cos Melo goes up another level when he plays with top quality around him, see all international teams Melo has played on, arguably been the best on those teams.
I love Melo on the Thunder but don't see it happening. Who do they trade to NYK?
Quote from: LaHug on July 26, 2017, 01:25:13 PM
Quote from: jvalles69 on July 26, 2017, 01:13:34 PM
Thoughts on Melo going to OKC? Starting lineup would prob be Westbrook, PG13, Melo, Adams and Pat Patterson? That's a top 2 seed in the West for me, solid 5 and 3 closers. I rate them this high cos Melo goes up another level when he plays with top quality around him, see all international teams Melo has played on, arguably been the best on those teams.
I love Melo on the Thunder but don't see it happening. Who do they trade to NYK?
Kanter for one, maybe some picks if they have any? Abrines, McDermott, Singler, Jerami...
OKC want to prove to Russ that they are going to give him what he needs for a title to hopefully get him to stay...this team would definitely compete.
Announced this morning.
3 x NBL clubs (Melbourne, Sydney and Brisbane) will go to the US at the start of Oct to play against Jazz, Suns and Thunder. Huge for the NBL, however it's during our regular season (kind of) and Wildcats and 36ers got totally screwed. Just found out also that the CEO of the NBL is the owner of Melbourne United, if thats not a massive conflict of interest I don't know what is! ::)
In the press conference this morning the CEO said that the reason those clubs were chosen was to represent the 3 biggest basketball states - QLD, NSW and VIC
Surely going forward they need to award to the 2 teams that make the grand final.
Quote from: valkorum on August 01, 2017, 12:55:16 PM
In the press conference this morning the CEO said that the reason those clubs were chosen was to represent the 3 biggest basketball states - QLD, NSW and VIC
Surely going forward they need to award to the 2 teams that make the grand final.
As if those 3 teams get more attendance than Perth and Adelaide!! Ludicrous, part time fans are not basketball fans. Brisbane folded for flowers sake!
Quote from: jvalles69 on August 01, 2017, 01:03:27 PM
Quote from: valkorum on August 01, 2017, 12:55:16 PM
In the press conference this morning the CEO said that the reason those clubs were chosen was to represent the 3 biggest basketball states - QLD, NSW and VIC
Surely going forward they need to award to the 2 teams that make the grand final.
As if those 3 teams get more attendance than Perth and Adelaide!! Ludicrous, part time fans are not basketball fans. Brisbane folded for flowers sake!
Cats also pull the most money for the NBL by a mile! Absolutely pathetic decision.
I knew Brisbane were getting one of the games. Melbourne were most likely to get one so that left Sydney, Perth and Adelaide. I assume Gazey had an influence
Quote from: R.Griffen on August 01, 2017, 01:40:27 PM
I knew Brisbane were getting one of the games. Melbourne were most likely to get one so that left Sydney, Perth and Adelaide. I assume Gazey had an influence
The Perth hate is strong in this league...
My top 10 teams to watch based on "FUN" in the upcoming season.
1. Minnesota - Arguably the best off season moves bringing in Butler, Teague and Crawford. They get a legit superstar in Butler, 2 guys who can close out games in Butler and Crawford. Teague is solid, but would have been nice to see a healthy Rubio run with this team.
2. Philadelphia - I want to see the "Process" succeed. If all healthy these guys could take my #1 spot for fun teams to watch. Adding Reddick is genius, he'll go bonkers with this team. #prayforhealth
3. Houston - The pairing of Harden and CP3 is going to be fun to watch, just recently in a Drew league game CP3 passed the ball to Harden who just started dancing with it, CP3 started yelling at him, Harden continued to dance with the ball, CP3 continued yelling, Harden scored, then ran to CP3 and gave him the biggest hug. This is going to be such a fun love/hate relationship. Hope it works out for them, they are going to be super high scoring.
4. OKC - With the addition of PG13, this lineup looks like a serious contender and feel this team has the biggest chip on their shoulder.
5. Milwaukee - The rise of Giannis, that is all.
6. Lakers - Will be fun to watch Lonzo run this team, could get ugly at times, but the highlights will outweigh the 40pt drubbings.
7. New Orleans - AD, DC and Rondo, some games will be marvellous, some games will be like the Hindenburg going down.
8. Boston - The Hayward addition makes them a massive threat against Cleveland.
9. Golden State - Good basketball 24/7.
10. Cleveland - If Kyrie stays it will be interesting to see if they can get back to business, or if Kyrie goes it will be intriguing to see who they add.
Just missed out: Utah, Spurs and Washington
Kyrie to Boston
As a Cavs man im pretty much looking at this as Crowder + Brooklyn 1st for Kyrie.
Isiah Thomas just a one year rental that will not be there next year. I think it pretty much means Lebron wont be there next year.
So the Cavs roster will now likely be
Brooklyn Lottery Pick
XXXXX
Crowder
Love
TT
at the end of the day its not a bad deal considering the situation Kyrie put the Cavs in. Its a real shame the Bledsoe PG13 trade didnt go down or I reckon Cavs would have been a good shot for the ring and also Lebron would have stayed.
Surely Lebron cant stay now and It will be a waste of his prime (which is starting to come to an end).
Sad Day as a Lebron Fan.
As a guy who like the Celtics and Irving though its exciting.
Irving is a upgrade on offense and less of a liability on Defense given he is 16cm taller.
Irving
Tatum
Hayward
Brown
Horford
i like that line up. Only issue is it looks to me like they have 3 SFs to fill the SG SF PF roles and they are all pretty much the same size at 6-6
Shouldnt be too much of an issue with one of them playing SG but probably a little small for PF. Especially Given Horford is more PF size then C size.
Biggest thing I take out of this trade. Boston will become the powerhouse in the East once Lebron goes to the Lakers.
Got on Kyrie this morning on SB for MVP @ $21, most other bookies have him down to $11.
Quote from: jvalles69 on August 23, 2017, 12:31:23 PM
Biggest thing I take out of this trade. Boston will become the powerhouse in the East once Lebron goes to the Lakers.
Got on Kyrie this morning on SB for MVP @ $21, most other bookies have him down to $11.
I reckon Kyrie is no shot at MVP.
KD would be my tip
dont see Westbrook going back to back especially with PG13
Leonard would be my next favourtie
If not Id have James ahead of Irving. James hasnt won it for a few years and is still the best player in the league, he might have some fire in the regular season too to take the number 1 seed.
Boston is in the box seat to become the powerhouse but I wouldn't sleep on Philly or the Bucks. Both just need to stay healthy
Bucks never had Middleton and Parker on the floor 100% together. Greek Freak will be a top 5 player in my books soon and Brogdon just stole ROY but regardless looks a good role player. Monroe is a decent enough centre and who knows what Thon Maker will do.
We all know embiid is a jet, Saric was the rightful ROY, ROCO a solid role player and then they basically add 2 #1 draft picks. Philly will take some time and some injury luck but i reckon they have the most upside in the east.
Quote from: Holz on August 23, 2017, 12:54:21 PM
Quote from: jvalles69 on August 23, 2017, 12:31:23 PM
Biggest thing I take out of this trade. Boston will become the powerhouse in the East once Lebron goes to the Lakers.
Got on Kyrie this morning on SB for MVP @ $21, most other bookies have him down to $11.
I reckon Kyrie is no shot at MVP.
KD would be my tip
dont see Westbrook going back to back especially with PG13
Leonard would be my next favourtie
If not Id have James ahead of Irving. James hasnt won it for a few years and is still the best player in the league, he might have some fire in the regular season too to take the number 1 seed.
Boston is in the box seat to become the powerhouse but I wouldn't sleep on Philly or the Bucks. Both just need to stay healthy
Bucks never had Middleton and Parker on the floor 100% together. Greek Freak will be a top 5 player in my books soon and Brogdon just stole ROY but regardless looks a good role player. Monroe is a decent enough centre and who knows what Thon Maker will do.
We all know embiid is a jet, Saric was the rightful ROY, ROCO a solid role player and then they basically add 2 #1 draft picks. Philly will take some time and some injury luck but i reckon they have the most upside in the east.
Think Giannis will go up another level so he's not out of MVP talks either.
See footage of Simmons filling in for a mates social team! Dunking on short, fat, bald dudes. 76ers management would've had a meltdown seeing this! :o
Quote from: jvalles69 on August 23, 2017, 01:11:45 PM
Quote from: Holz on August 23, 2017, 12:54:21 PM
Quote from: jvalles69 on August 23, 2017, 12:31:23 PM
Biggest thing I take out of this trade. Boston will become the powerhouse in the East once Lebron goes to the Lakers.
Got on Kyrie this morning on SB for MVP @ $21, most other bookies have him down to $11.
I reckon Kyrie is no shot at MVP.
KD would be my tip
dont see Westbrook going back to back especially with PG13
Leonard would be my next favourtie
If not Id have James ahead of Irving. James hasnt won it for a few years and is still the best player in the league, he might have some fire in the regular season too to take the number 1 seed.
Boston is in the box seat to become the powerhouse but I wouldn't sleep on Philly or the Bucks. Both just need to stay healthy
Bucks never had Middleton and Parker on the floor 100% together. Greek Freak will be a top 5 player in my books soon and Brogdon just stole ROY but regardless looks a good role player. Monroe is a decent enough centre and who knows what Thon Maker will do.
We all know embiid is a jet, Saric was the rightful ROY, ROCO a solid role player and then they basically add 2 #1 draft picks. Philly will take some time and some injury luck but i reckon they have the most upside in the east.
Think Giannis will go up another level so he's not out of MVP talks either.
See footage of Simmons filling in for a mates social team! Dunking on short, fat, bald dudes. 76ers management would've had a meltdown seeing this! :o
Played more games of social basketball since being drafted than NBA games. Lost all respect for him
Quote from: R.Griffen on August 23, 2017, 02:19:45 PM
Quote from: jvalles69 on August 23, 2017, 01:11:45 PM
Quote from: Holz on August 23, 2017, 12:54:21 PM
Quote from: jvalles69 on August 23, 2017, 12:31:23 PM
Biggest thing I take out of this trade. Boston will become the powerhouse in the East once Lebron goes to the Lakers.
Got on Kyrie this morning on SB for MVP @ $21, most other bookies have him down to $11.
I reckon Kyrie is no shot at MVP.
KD would be my tip
dont see Westbrook going back to back especially with PG13
Leonard would be my next favourtie
If not Id have James ahead of Irving. James hasnt won it for a few years and is still the best player in the league, he might have some fire in the regular season too to take the number 1 seed.
Boston is in the box seat to become the powerhouse but I wouldn't sleep on Philly or the Bucks. Both just need to stay healthy
Bucks never had Middleton and Parker on the floor 100% together. Greek Freak will be a top 5 player in my books soon and Brogdon just stole ROY but regardless looks a good role player. Monroe is a decent enough centre and who knows what Thon Maker will do.
We all know embiid is a jet, Saric was the rightful ROY, ROCO a solid role player and then they basically add 2 #1 draft picks. Philly will take some time and some injury luck but i reckon they have the most upside in the east.
Think Giannis will go up another level so he's not out of MVP talks either.
See footage of Simmons filling in for a mates social team! Dunking on short, fat, bald dudes. 76ers management would've had a meltdown seeing this! :o
Played more games of social basketball since being drafted than NBA games. Lost all respect for him
dont lots of players play social pick up games?
he is 100% healthy and has been for a while.
Quote from: Holz on August 23, 2017, 02:26:42 PM
Quote from: R.Griffen on August 23, 2017, 02:19:45 PM
Quote from: jvalles69 on August 23, 2017, 01:11:45 PM
Quote from: Holz on August 23, 2017, 12:54:21 PM
Quote from: jvalles69 on August 23, 2017, 12:31:23 PM
Biggest thing I take out of this trade. Boston will become the powerhouse in the East once Lebron goes to the Lakers.
Got on Kyrie this morning on SB for MVP @ $21, most other bookies have him down to $11.
I reckon Kyrie is no shot at MVP.
KD would be my tip
dont see Westbrook going back to back especially with PG13
Leonard would be my next favourtie
If not Id have James ahead of Irving. James hasnt won it for a few years and is still the best player in the league, he might have some fire in the regular season too to take the number 1 seed.
Boston is in the box seat to become the powerhouse but I wouldn't sleep on Philly or the Bucks. Both just need to stay healthy
Bucks never had Middleton and Parker on the floor 100% together. Greek Freak will be a top 5 player in my books soon and Brogdon just stole ROY but regardless looks a good role player. Monroe is a decent enough centre and who knows what Thon Maker will do.
We all know embiid is a jet, Saric was the rightful ROY, ROCO a solid role player and then they basically add 2 #1 draft picks. Philly will take some time and some injury luck but i reckon they have the most upside in the east.
Think Giannis will go up another level so he's not out of MVP talks either.
See footage of Simmons filling in for a mates social team! Dunking on short, fat, bald dudes. 76ers management would've had a meltdown seeing this! :o
Played more games of social basketball since being drafted than NBA games. Lost all respect for him
dont lots of players play social pick up games?
he is 100% healthy and has been for a while.
Yep they do, but how many don't play an NBA game in their first year and play pickups for fun
Did I miss anything?
Quote from: Jay on August 23, 2017, 08:37:58 PM
Did I miss anything?
Yeah Raptors signed K.J. McDaniels
https://www.instagram.com/p/BYHaQoRg3kD/ (https://www.instagram.com/p/BYHaQoRg3kD/)
;D
Quote from: jvalles69 on August 01, 2017, 11:59:17 AM
Announced this morning.
3 x NBL clubs (Melbourne, Sydney and Brisbane) will go to the US at the start of Oct to play against Jazz, Suns and Thunder. Huge for the NBL, however it's during our regular season (kind of) and Wildcats and 36ers got totally screwed. Just found out also that the CEO of the NBL is the owner of Melbourne United, if thats not a massive conflict of interest I don't know what is! ::)
Yeah big article on him in the finance section of the paper a while back. Bought Melb United when they were on their knees then went flower it, and bought the entire league.
But hey, pretty used to Victoria-centric sporting codes because Victoria. Melb United still suck, Wildcats got ripped
Quote from: elephants on August 24, 2017, 04:22:33 AM
Quote from: jvalles69 on August 01, 2017, 11:59:17 AM
Announced this morning.
3 x NBL clubs (Melbourne, Sydney and Brisbane) will go to the US at the start of Oct to play against Jazz, Suns and Thunder. Huge for the NBL, however it's during our regular season (kind of) and Wildcats and 36ers got totally screwed. Just found out also that the CEO of the NBL is the owner of Melbourne United, if thats not a massive conflict of interest I don't know what is! ::)
Yeah big article on him in the finance section of the paper a while back. Bought Melb United when they were on their knees then went flower it, and bought the entire league.
But hey, pretty used to Victoria-centric sporting codes because Victoria. Melb United still suck, Wildcats got ripped
Muthafloweras are rolling out a starting 5 of Ware, Goulding, Prather, Boone and Anderson! :o Last year player contracts and salary caps were meant to be made public knowledge, surprise surprise this didn't happen with Melbourne meaning their costs for last year were hidden somehow allowing them to spend 3 times the amount of salary cap whilst other teams can barely afford 1 import. Absolute bullshower, hope they get found out and some form of punishment occurs. Good luck United, cos Perth are still gonna wax yo ass! Love last year how keyboard warriors on social media were saying Perth "buy" titles, lol, we have the most consistent roster in the league over the past decade and 2nd most consistent roster is NZ, both of whom are the only teams who have won flags in the past 8 seasons. Suck it the rest of of the NBL.
Flogbrook looks like an idiot now. Ware killed him. As much as I hate Melbourne United it has made Westbrook look like an arrogant prick and no confidence about what he said at all
Quote from: R.Griffen on October 09, 2017, 11:21:52 AM
Flogbrook looks like an idiot now. Ware killed him. As much as I hate Melbourne United it has made Westbrook look like an arrogant prick and no confidence about what he said at all
Surely if you're Westbrook, you come back out and praise them about their play and say something respectful and positive about the game and all would be good, not sure if he will though.
Embiid signs max 5 year deal! :o Surely they would wait out the season. Oden Embiid or bust. Hoping it pays off for their sake and cos I want to see him ball for years!
Quote from: jvalles69 on October 10, 2017, 02:18:00 PM
Embiid signs max 5 year deal! :o Surely they would wait out the season. Oden Embiid or bust. Hoping it pays off for their sake and cos I want to see him ball for years!
thats huge, if he is getting the max surely they could have waited. Unless he said something that made waiting negative.
31 games and getting super max.
just shows how good he can be, his personality alone is worth alot.
Can you imagine if he gets healthy, he could easily be the biggest player in the league.
Quote from: jvalles69 on October 10, 2017, 02:18:00 PM
Embiid signs max 5 year deal! :o Surely they would wait out the season. Oden Embiid or bust. Hoping it pays off for their sake and cos I want to see him ball for years!
There are a ton of triggers and they have protected themselves if he gets injured in the contract with a ton of the guaranteed money disappearing. They are now shifting their attention to extending RoCo which is apparently mostly worked out. They were just waiting to finalise the Embiid deal before signing Covington.
The only downside to doing it this way is they shoot themselves in the foot in terms of signing guys this off-season. They could have had a look at who was available as a max FA and gone after them. The other two guys they could always go over the cap to sign but now they can't do that.
Embiid is a beast and the deal was coming either way.
Quote from: Mat0369 on October 11, 2017, 12:37:25 AM
Quote from: jvalles69 on October 10, 2017, 02:18:00 PM
Embiid signs max 5 year deal! :o Surely they would wait out the season. Oden Embiid or bust. Hoping it pays off for their sake and cos I want to see him ball for years!
There are a ton of triggers and they have protected themselves if he gets injured in the contract with a ton of the guaranteed money disappearing. They are now shifting their attention to extending RoCo which is apparently mostly worked out. They were just waiting to finalise the Embiid deal before signing Covington.
The only downside to doing it this way is they shoot themselves in the foot in terms of signing guys this off-season. They could have had a look at who was available as a max FA and gone after them. The other two guys they could always go over the cap to sign but now they can't do that.
Embiid is a beast and the deal was coming either way.
I dont think there is nay point in FA.
its time to roll the dice, the team as it stands if healthy has loads of potential just need to get games into them.
Fultz Embiid Simmons have combined for 31 games.
Through their first three years, Greg Oden played in 51 more games than Joel Embiid.
Quote from: Jay on October 11, 2017, 03:04:04 PM
Through their first three years, Greg Oden played in 51 more games than Joel Embiid.
True but in Oden's 82 games he only put up
776 points 605 rebounds 49 assists and 115 blocks and hit 0 3s
In Embiids 31 game career he has
626 points 242 rebounds 65 assists and 78 blocks and hit 37 3s
The injury worry with Embiid is supposed to be the foot. The same foot that gave him 0 issues last season and has been healthy for months. Oden had microfracture surgery on his knee. It's apples and oranges. Forget their performances when both were on the court.
Embiid is also probable for the next pre-season game. The rumor was his management refused to clear him until he received a new contract extension. The fact he might play in preseason lines up with that.
Apparently there is an injury clause in his contract.
https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/247667/76ers-Have-Limited-Protections-In-Contract-With-Joel-Embiid
Across each of the final four seasons of the extension, ending with the 2022-23 season, the 76ers could waive Embiid for a financial benefit if he's lost because of a contractually agreed upon injury that causes him to miss 25 or more regular-season games and if he plays less than 1,650 minutes.
Reckon we're due to move to a 2017/2018 season thread given we're a week away from season start?
Quote from: valkorum on October 11, 2017, 05:53:31 PM
Apparently there is an injury clause in his contract.
https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/247667/76ers-Have-Limited-Protections-In-Contract-With-Joel-Embiid
Across each of the final four seasons of the extension, ending with the 2022-23 season, the 76ers could waive Embiid for a financial benefit if he's lost because of a contractually agreed upon injury that causes him to miss 25 or more regular-season games and if he plays less than 1,650 minutes.
It's supposed to be the most complex extension in league history. There is not a single player in the league with his skill set. They've managed to find a way to sign him and protect themselves. It's a win/win in the end.
Quote from: Mat0369 on October 11, 2017, 05:01:55 PM
The injury worry with Embiid is supposed to be the foot. The same foot that gave him 0 issues last season and has been healthy for months. Oden had microfracture surgery on his knee. It's apples and oranges. Forget their performances when both were on the court.
Embiid is also probable for the next pre-season game. The rumor was his management refused to clear him until he received a new contract extension. The fact he might play in preseason lines up with that.
got to agree here. I kinda compare him to brad Crouch. T
Everyone kept saying how injury prone Brad Crouch was, but if you looked the only serious injury was the foot. He picked up other injuries but they were not relating to the foot.
Brad has now played 20 of the last 21 games and the game missed was a fractured cheek bone which is has got nothing to do with being injury prone.
The difference is Crouch is like a foot shorter and probably 40kg less but anyway.
This might be a big call im not sure but im no more worried about injury risk with Joel Embiid then i am Athony Davis.
Quote from: Mat0369 on October 11, 2017, 06:07:25 PM
Quote from: valkorum on October 11, 2017, 05:53:31 PM
Apparently there is an injury clause in his contract.
https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/247667/76ers-Have-Limited-Protections-In-Contract-With-Joel-Embiid
Across each of the final four seasons of the extension, ending with the 2022-23 season, the 76ers could waive Embiid for a financial benefit if he's lost because of a contractually agreed upon injury that causes him to miss 25 or more regular-season games and if he plays less than 1,650 minutes.
It's supposed to be the most complex extension in league history. There is not a single player in the league with his skill set. They've managed to find a way to sign him and protect themselves. It's a win/win in the end.
That makes a pretty big difference then, make your star player happy. I for one hope he succeeds and has a long healthy career because he is awesome to watch.
Quote from: Holz on October 11, 2017, 06:08:42 PM
Quote from: Mat0369 on October 11, 2017, 05:01:55 PM
The injury worry with Embiid is supposed to be the foot. The same foot that gave him 0 issues last season and has been healthy for months. Oden had microfracture surgery on his knee. It's apples and oranges. Forget their performances when both were on the court.
Embiid is also probable for the next pre-season game. The rumor was his management refused to clear him until he received a new contract extension. The fact he might play in preseason lines up with that.
got to agree here. I kinda compare him to brad Crouch. T
Everyone kept saying how injury prone Brad Crouch was, but if you looked the only serious injury was the foot. He picked up other injuries but they were not relating to the foot.
Brad has now played 20 of the last 21 games and the game missed was a fractured cheek bone which is has got nothing to do with being injury prone.
The difference is Crouch is like a foot shorter and probably 40kg less but anyway.
This might be a big call im not sure but im no more worried about injury risk with Joel Embiid then i am Athony Davis.
Bad feet equal bad everything else
Quote from: fanTCfool on October 11, 2017, 06:00:09 PM
Reckon we're due to move to a 2017/2018 season thread given we're a week away from season start?
Yes
http://forum.fanfooty.com.au/index.php/topic,110397.0.html
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on October 11, 2017, 07:05:08 PM
Quote from: Holz on October 11, 2017, 06:08:42 PM
Quote from: Mat0369 on October 11, 2017, 05:01:55 PM
The injury worry with Embiid is supposed to be the foot. The same foot that gave him 0 issues last season and has been healthy for months. Oden had microfracture surgery on his knee. It's apples and oranges. Forget their performances when both were on the court.
Embiid is also probable for the next pre-season game. The rumor was his management refused to clear him until he received a new contract extension. The fact he might play in preseason lines up with that.
got to agree here. I kinda compare him to brad Crouch. T
Everyone kept saying how injury prone Brad Crouch was, but if you looked the only serious injury was the foot. He picked up other injuries but they were not relating to the foot.
Brad has now played 20 of the last 21 games and the game missed was a fractured cheek bone which is has got nothing to do with being injury prone.
The difference is Crouch is like a foot shorter and probably 40kg less but anyway.
This might be a big call im not sure but im no more worried about injury risk with Joel Embiid then i am Athony Davis.
Bad feet equal bad everything else
well yes as it was a navicular fracture in Embiid case which is much worse.
I dont think you can say the meniscus tear in his knee was due to his foot though.
If he gets an injury in his foot then i would be really worried.