Terrible decision by the powers that be!
No need to have any skill saving trades with potentially 46 trades.....
Just got the email from VS too.
Stupid!
DT JUST DIED AND WENT TO THE MASSES
Here is the details
AFL FANTASY coaches will be allowed to make two trades a week, every round this season.
The change gives coaches a maximum of 46 trades, up from 24 in 2012.
However, with trades still limited to two per round, they cannot be saved up for later use.
The increased number of trades is one of several changes to the AFL's official fantasy game.
The field structure has also been altered, with gameday squads now featuring six defenders, eight midfielders, two ruckmen and six forwards.
In previous seasons it has been seven-six-two-seven.
And coaches will also be allowed to set four emergencies each round, up from three in past seasons.
This gives teams the ability to cover for late changes on every line â€" backs, midfield, rucks and forwards â€" for the first time in the game's history.
By popular demand, the green dot has been reinstated, giving coaches an easy snapshot of the ins and outs for their team every Thursday night.
Unlike its major competitor, AFL Fantasy will not introduce a rolling lockout, with teams to be locked at the bounce of the first game of each round.
This allows coaches the freedom to set their team for the weekend without having to worry about checking back before every match for late changes.
It makes AFL Fantasy the game for those who want to have a life beyond fantasy football.
As has already be announced, there will be a change in scoring during the bye rounds, with only the 18 best scores across each coach's squad to count.
And AFL Fantasy will continue with the same, easy to understand scoring system, which makes it easier for coaches to follow the progress of their players during matches.
An announcement on new game formats will be made in the coming weeks.
So now both formats are dead. Brilliant.
Well this is a complete load of crap. Now anyone can just get on an make a good team without any strategy at all. Both formats are dead now, so at leadt its a good
thing that we have the XVs competitions.
Is it because they think they're losing out to SuperCoach? DT was better imo was my favored game, this is just silly!
Who does these things? The Government should bring in a law allowing us to shoot people that do these things
*grumble*
What stupidity!!
Nothing left to be said.
The only thing I don't like about ridding the rolling lockout is round one, stretches two weeks but from thursday the who thing will be locked, or willi it? I hope it stays open because that's just to hard otherwise, usually with long rounds it stays unlocked till the players play am I right?
They're trying to move the playerbase away from just the hardcore strategists towards the very casual player who usually burnt the hell outa their trades and never logged back in 1/2 way through the season. *sigh*
Gone are the days of torturous decisions weather to hold injured/rested players, saving trades for finals & ummm almost all long term strategy at all...
If you dont use your 2 trades every week you've failed.
Gone are the days of making sure you select a great team from the beginning. May as well randomly select and go from there, would be more challenging.
As much as it will make it easier... i am not that upset with it.
It does have its advantages -
- Noobs/Non-Fantasy addicts will trade injured players out straight away, no matter the length of time the player is out. They also will not take into account price drops from the player they bring in, thus if they think they can trade out say Ablett for Swan, (with no extra cash) to trade Ablett back in next week, then Swan takes a price drop then they will not be able to.
- Noobs/Non-Fantasy addicts will trade rookies furiously before they have fully fattened into cash cows, for in form players instead of premiums (say Varcoe, instead of waiting on Johnson), only for that in form player to then start to loose value and the rookie to continue to rise
- Noobs/Non-Fantasy addicts will trade in the in form rookies, no matter how much their price has risen, which will result in less funds to upgrade
...
These are only a few of the mistakes i have seen my mates (who are not fantasy addicts) make over the previous few years, for them only to run out of trades very early. I can't see them changing the ways they trade even with two trades a week
The rolling lockout i was ok with, the 8 midfielder thing i wasnt a fan of but the 2 trades a week takes alot of the fun out of the comp.
As always I will keep playing but im not sure if i will switch more towards SC.
I have considered maybee running an elite dt comp here on this site where we go by the old rules 7 6 2 7 and 20 trades and see how that goes. If there is enough interest i will look into it.
I daresay they'll retain rolling lockout for round 1.
So its just coming down to our decisions which is what we want right? an LTI virtually doesnt matter now...
Absolutely no need to start a risky midpricer now, easy to grab a bolter like Ebert and Clancee early now, dare I say the pre round three trading could very well make or brake your season, right before the first price changes
No need to be chasing money either, everyone's going to have uber teams near finals anyway, we'll probably end up with spare cash in the farm house, Now I need to figure out a way to chase points!
Not happy with this new rule on trades..may have to check out supercoach!
Quote from: Flame on January 11, 2013, 11:51:35 AM
Not happy with this new rule on trades..may have to check out supercoach!
Join us Flame.. ;D ;D ;D
something that needs to be seriosuly looked at is going for midpricers early and also trading out rookies well before they have finished going up in value.
Also you can esentially go chasing points now, going for forwards playing GC etc...
No rolling lockout now at least.
With the introduction of 2 trades per week what will be a winning strategy?
How will your initial team change?
Lets open it up for discussion.
Still will be going with the team I've got without much change.
No risk with speculative picks anymore. ::)
Good article on DT talk about the new changes
http://dreamteamtalk.com/2013/01/11/game-changer-trade-addiction/
I understand the commercial realities of why they did it (increased traffic) but it sucks for us "serious" players. Wonder if we could get them to consider a DT Gold - 24 trades only, 2 trades max per week, 3 during MBR's, all 22 count during MBR's? They have that draft style game (unique players)as an option on the DT site - surely this version would be more popular and keep the diehards happy? Thoughts??
ps long time reader first time poster have appreciated everyones efforts over the years
now any moron can win a league,i thought 30 was stupid so you know how i feel about 44,dt was always 2nd in importance to sc,now that is solidified,btw dont pat yourself to hard on the back for not going with rolling lockout,kudos for that good decision have well & truly been flowered by this shower decision
this is flowered.
I'm thinking sideways trading is the way to go.
Now we gotta make the best of it, improvise, adapt to the environment, Darwin, shower happens, I Ching, whatever man, we gotta roll with it.
Quote from: ossie85 on January 11, 2013, 11:16:15 AM
Gone are the days of making sure you select a great team from the beginning. May as well randomly select and go from there, would be more challenging.
You need more than 2 trades a week to fix a rubbish side, I learnt that last year. It will be more challenging to stay up top, 2 trades per week ust mean you need to tweak your strategy to stay in front of the pack
the cream always rise to the top, I will be spending up untill the season starts working out the best way to utulise these extra trades.
Quoted off a status AFL FANTASY facebook page :
A couple of new AFL Fantasy rules have been released. Two trades per week. No rolling lock-out!
Check them out at http://afl.to/VUeKvL
Then written in a comment on the status from afl fantasy : AFL Dream Team- If you hate it, perhaps the new DT Pro will be for you. Details to be released soon!
Quote from: brandon_12 on January 11, 2013, 03:50:13 PM
Quoted off a status AFL FANTASY facebook page :
A couple of new AFL Fantasy rules have been released. Two trades per week. No rolling lock-out!
Check them out at http://afl.to/VUeKvL
Then written in a comment on the status from afl fantasy : AFL Dream Team- If you hate it, perhaps the new DT Pro will be for you. Details to be released soon!
they should pump up the price of that, it will be very popualr im consedring paying for it
Quote from: Holzman on January 11, 2013, 04:21:05 PM
Quote from: brandon_12 on January 11, 2013, 03:50:13 PM
Quoted off a status AFL FANTASY facebook page :
A couple of new AFL Fantasy rules have been released. Two trades per week. No rolling lock-out!
Check them out at http://afl.to/VUeKvL
Then written in a comment on the status from afl fantasy : AFL Dream Team- If you hate it, perhaps the new DT Pro will be for you. Details to be released soon!
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they should pump up the price of that, it will be very popualr im consedring paying for it
They are saying it might be free now Holzy
Okay, I think some of you boys need to take a deep breath. Yes, saving your trades was part of a good strategy in the past but it was well down the list compared to who you pick initially, who you trade, picking the right moment to trade and who you field.
If you are a top coach then the game just got more challenging. You need to be so much more strategic and wiley to get an edge on the competition. The skill hasn't been taken out of the game - it's been ramped up and the cream will continue to rise to the top.
Quote from: Mr.Craig on January 11, 2013, 04:35:41 PM
Okay, I think some of you boys need to take a deep breath. Yes, saving your trades was part of a good strategy in the past but it was well down the list compared to who you pick initially, who you trade, picking the right moment to trade and who you field.
If you are a top coach then the game just got more challenging. You need to be so much more strategic and wiley to get an edge on the competition. The skill hasn't been taken out of the game - it's been ramped up and the cream will continue to rise to the top.
im starting to think that now. if we had rolling lockout and these rules than the aommount of strategy would be crazy.
Im liking the changes now.
*sideways trade until you win* !
as i posted in another thread, the 2 trades per week could potentially become a great money making idea, better than Sarah Palin's "Print more money" policy.
Before round 3 has started look at you prems and trade to 2 players that are likely to drop the most in price and replace them with players that will make the most money. You could do this the entire year as you now have 2 trades to do with what you want. This will give an advantage to those who have DT pro as all the stats will be there for them to study. For people that dont have DT pro, they can use m0nty's rollercoaster and bubble boys section.
Quote from: tabs on January 11, 2013, 05:14:42 PM
as i posted in another thread, the 2 trades per week could potentially become a great money making idea, better than Sarah Palin's "Print more money" policy.
Before round 3 has started look at you prems and trade to 2 players that are likely to drop the most in price and replace them with players that will make the most money. You could do this the entire year as you now have 2 trades to do with what you want. This will give an advantage to those who have DT pro as all the stats will be there for them to study. For people that dont have DT pro, they can use m0nty's rollercoaster and bubble boys section.
the issue you need to weigh up than becomes points v money (potential points)
also if your too sneaky and do stuff like this than injuries hits you may find yourself short of trades to fix up the team.
Quote from: tabs on January 11, 2013, 05:14:42 PM
as i posted in another thread, the 2 trades per week could potentially become a great money making idea, better than Sarah Palin's "Print more money" policy.
Before round 3 has started look at you prems and trade to 2 players that are likely to drop the most in price and replace them with players that will make the most money. You could do this the entire year as you now have 2 trades to do with what you want. This will give an advantage to those who have DT pro as all the stats will be there for them to study. For people that dont have DT pro, they can use m0nty's rollercoaster and bubble boys section.
Don't forget the Freako too. :)
I'm sure there'll be plenty of speculative trading going on. We'll still need to manage our rookies and deal with the inevitable wave of injuries aswell so it'll be a balancing act.
Quote from: Holzman on January 11, 2013, 05:18:31 PM
Quote from: tabs on January 11, 2013, 05:14:42 PM
as i posted in another thread, the 2 trades per week could potentially become a great money making idea, better than Sarah Palin's "Print more money" policy.
Before round 3 has started look at you prems and trade to 2 players that are likely to drop the most in price and replace them with players that will make the most money. You could do this the entire year as you now have 2 trades to do with what you want. This will give an advantage to those who have DT pro as all the stats will be there for them to study. For people that dont have DT pro, they can use m0nty's rollercoaster and bubble boys section.
the issue you need to weigh up than becomes points v money (potential points)
also if your too sneaky and do stuff like this than injuries hits you may find yourself short of trades to fix up the team.
If it is a mid priced bolter scoring like a premium then you won't lose many points at all. Dangerous game to play as you won't come out in front all the time.
Quote from: timmyparso on January 11, 2013, 05:23:32 PM
Quote from: Holzman on January 11, 2013, 05:18:31 PM
Quote from: tabs on January 11, 2013, 05:14:42 PM
as i posted in another thread, the 2 trades per week could potentially become a great money making idea, better than Sarah Palin's "Print more money" policy.
Before round 3 has started look at you prems and trade to 2 players that are likely to drop the most in price and replace them with players that will make the most money. You could do this the entire year as you now have 2 trades to do with what you want. This will give an advantage to those who have DT pro as all the stats will be there for them to study. For people that dont have DT pro, they can use m0nty's rollercoaster and bubble boys section.
the issue you need to weigh up than becomes points v money (potential points)
also if your too sneaky and do stuff like this than injuries hits you may find yourself short of trades to fix up the team.
If it is a mid priced bolter scoring like a premium then you won't lose many points at all. Dangerous game to play as you won't come out in front all the time.
it all depedns on the bolter if they keep it up. Of course if they are scoring like a premium its good but remember cornes from last year
Zip might remember that ;)
Quote from: Holzman on January 11, 2013, 05:18:31 PM
Quote from: tabs on January 11, 2013, 05:14:42 PM
as i posted in another thread, the 2 trades per week could potentially become a great money making idea, better than Sarah Palin's "Print more money" policy.
Before round 3 has started look at you prems and trade to 2 players that are likely to drop the most in price and replace them with players that will make the most money. You could do this the entire year as you now have 2 trades to do with what you want. This will give an advantage to those who have DT pro as all the stats will be there for them to study. For people that dont have DT pro, they can use m0nty's rollercoaster and bubble boys section.
the issue you need to weigh up than becomes points v money (potential points)
also if your too sneaky and do stuff like this than injuries hits you may find yourself short of trades to fix up the team.
+1
People are going to make a mistake if they start the season with like 10 speculative picks because they have good early draws or are a looming breakout or whatever because when 4 of those go wrong, people will quickly realise 2 trades per week won't be able to help them.
I still don't think we can underestimate the old-fashioned reliable, durable 'set-and-forget's
Quote from: Scrads on January 11, 2013, 07:45:41 PM
People are going to make a mistake if they start the season with like 10 speculative picks because they have good early draws or are a looming breakout or whatever because when 4 of those go wrong, people will quickly realise 2 trades per week won't be able to help them.
I still don't think we can underestimate the old-fashioned reliable, durable 'set-and-forget's
Agreed I'm taking 2 punts hartlett and rioli
Quote from: Scrads on January 11, 2013, 07:45:41 PM
People are going to make a mistake if they start the season with like 10 speculative picks because they have good early draws or are a looming breakout or whatever because when 4 of those go wrong, people will quickly realise 2 trades per week won't be able to help them.
I still don't think we can underestimate the old-fashioned reliable, durable 'set-and-forget's
Since I've heard the news about unlimited trades I haven't changed my team at all. I don't think I'll be adopting any strategy either. I'm not even gunna look at my team until Feb 1st because who knows, there could be more un-forseen changes to the system. ::)
Quote from: grange76 on January 11, 2013, 10:15:06 AM
It makes AFL Fantasy the game for those who want to have a life beyond fantasy football.
What if I don't want a life?! >:(
Quote from: stew42 on January 11, 2013, 11:14:13 PM
Quote from: grange76 on January 11, 2013, 10:15:06 AM
It makes AFL Fantasy the game for those who want to have a life beyond fantasy football.
What if I don't want a life?! >:(
Yeah I just wanna look at state, team line-ups and football games!
I won't change my stratgey from previous years.
Ill still pick a guns and rookies team, wait until cows have fattened and upgrade to premiums.
Howver during the weeks where I am not upgrading because my rooks have not ripened, I will be playing the stock market on premiums to make a little cash on the side. The trades are there so use them to full advantage.
Eg : premium X and premium Y are similar value. Premium X has a breakeven of 180, premium Y only 60. Trade premium X to premium Y. Both score 100 yet premium X drops 20k and premium Y increases 20k. Next week you get premium X back and make 40k in the process.
It won't work all the time and injuries could mean you get stuck with someone you sideways traded in. But the trades are there to utilise so take advantage where you can and eductaed risks should pay off more often than not. This is a ploy that I think would work at least six times during the year (12 trades required)
:)
i think now people will trade out premiums and lose money on rookies more often now...
2 trades a week,
So 2 downgrades
next week 1 upgrade and then what another downgrade?
Its only designed for people with LTI's to be able to get back on the horse
I wont be trading until its absolutely necessary..
Quote from: DT Gun on January 16, 2013, 02:39:37 AM
i think now people will trade out premiums and lose money on rookies more often now...
2 trades a week,
So 2 downgrades
next week 1 upgrade and then what another downgrade?
Its only designed for people with LTI's to be able to get back on the horse
I wont be trading until its absolutely necessary..
Couldn't agree more with this logic
Quote from: naste on January 16, 2013, 10:37:05 AM
Quote from: DT Gun on January 16, 2013, 02:39:37 AM
i think now people will trade out premiums and lose money on rookies more often now...
2 trades a week,
So 2 downgrades
next week 1 upgrade and then what another downgrade?
Its only designed for people with LTI's to be able to get back on the horse
I wont be trading until its absolutely necessary..
Couldn't agree more with this logic
If you are not looking for the best value especially before the byes EVERY week, you will fall behind ;)
No harm in trading twice a week, so why wouldn't you?
I plan to use my two trades per week - as ossie said, why wouldn't you - but NOT at the expense of cashing in rookie, trading in a bubbleboy or upgrading to a premium.
It will all be about building your team value. So if you can find a way to trade out a player with a high BE for a player with a low BE without compromising your scoring then it will build your overall team value. Which should allow you to get to a premium team faster.
Quote from: SydneyRox on January 16, 2013, 02:02:56 PM
It will all be about building your team value. So if you can find a way to trade out a player with a high BE for a player with a low BE without compromising your scoring then it will build your overall team value. Which should allow you to get to a premium team faster.
With saying that.. I'm never going to trade out Swan, Ablett, Goddard, Pendles or Gibbs no matter what their BE is, because I don't want to sacrifice their scoring or risk never getting them back in!
I think most of us are agreeable around utlising trades to increase team value.
There will be times where rookies haven't matured and we are not upgrading so play the breakevens as Sydneyrox says.
But I also agree with essendon2, never sideways trade super premiums.
:)