<Insert General Mid Questions/Discussion for the 2021 season here>
I feel the midfield will be mid price madness this year. Yeo, Taranto, Heppell and Cunnington would all be tempting. Cripps is a little over 500k so at that price he has to be a lock. Rowell and Sloane are both under 500k as well. Selwood and JPK are the other two I'm curious to see what they're priced and Hately could be a breakout contender with Caldwell
Unlike previous years think we will see a lot of differing players this year. See some comments about not picking Neale even.
My initial mids are Neale, Oliver, Mitchell, Adams, Rowell, Heppell. With rest rookies.
:)
I think with the lack of exposure to a lot of this years draft crop that it will be incredibly difficult to select many of them for Rd.1. At this very early stage my team is 3/3/1/4 on what I would expect to be in my final team. Included are two mid- pricers and two low end bargains
Going very skinny in the guts in the hope that most selected rookies come from this line, also thinking it could be very difficult to pick the best 5 to 8 options early in the season. Currently running with :-
Neale, Petracca, Rowell, Hately, Caldwell, Phillips, Bruhn, Powell, // Pedlar, Berry, Lazzaro
The above will depend heavily on what is shown in the pre season games.
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Quote from: Ringo on December 23, 2020, 05:58:20 PM
Unlike previous years think we will see a lot of differing players this year. See some comments about not picking Neale even.
My initial mids are Neale, Oliver, Mitchell, Adams, Rowell, Heppell. With rest rookies.
Neale's price is daunting and his price fell considerably late in 2020 as his form dropped away somewhat so some will be thinking of getting him for cheaper and not starting him. I won't be one of those. He usually starts the year off with a bang. Those who didn't start with him in 2019 (127, 140, 177, 140, 91, 142, 108, 114, 148) and 2020 (157, 171, 166, 147, 130, 134, 87, 152, 157) were at a major disadvantage and without him as a VC/C choice on top of that. I think you have to pay up for him.
Neale, one of Oliver or Titch, Macrae, Walsh, Rowell, Heppell and rookies is what I'm thinking at the moment.
Guys like: Yeo, Prestia, Cerra, Hopper, Green and B Crouch represent some value and are worthy of thought too.
What is the likelihood Rowell can average over 100 for a full season? I just cannot see it happening. He is priced high 90's, it is such a big ask to expect a 19yr to get near 110+ over the season in what will effectively be his first full season. Am I missing something or is Rowell that much better than every other rookie who ever played the game?
Quote from: crowls on January 06, 2021, 06:39:53 PM
What is the likelihood Rowell can average over 100 for a full season? I just cannot see it happening. He is priced high 90's, it is such a big ask to expect a 19yr to get near 110+ over the season in what will effectively be his first full season. Am I missing something or is Rowell that much better than every other rookie who ever played the game?
Think he's pretty special mate.
Brownlow votes
R2v Eagles 3votes 171 SC 2nd game
R3v Crows 3votes 141 SC 3rd game
R4v Frem 3votes 114SC
injured R5
Small sample but that would have to be the best rookie start in VFL/AFL history
IMO very simple: 3 ways he can go -
Tanks and only goes at around 70-80 (his price or worse); you unload him for a fallen premium and hasn’t cost you anything other than a trade
Stays at around 90-100 and becomes your cheapest M8 on record and saves a trade
Goes at 100-120 and becomes a keeper, saves a trade and you have a gun.
Quote from: Peter on January 07, 2021, 08:04:10 AM
IMO very simple: 3 ways he can go -
Tanks and only goes at around 70-80 (his price or worse); you unload him for a fallen premium and hasn’t cost you anything other than a trade
Stays at around 90-100 and becomes your cheapest M8 on record and saves a trade
Goes at 100-120 and becomes a keeper, saves a trade and you have a gun.
Picking a 495k who isn't a keeper is a bust as far as I'm concerned. So two out of those three options are no good to me.
You've got to take into account
- Never been tagged. Likely to at least a few times this year.
- Young players often tire as the year goes on, hasn't played more than 4 consecutive games.
- Coming off a serious injury players often have a slow start, a shoulder injury is especially likely to impact a contested ball winner as well, just look at Cripps last year.
I have no idea how is one of the most popular picks.
Quote from: dmac07 on February 02, 2021, 04:17:18 PM
Quote from: Peter on January 07, 2021, 08:04:10 AM
IMO very simple: 3 ways he can go -
Tanks and only goes at around 70-80 (his price or worse); you unload him for a fallen premium and hasn’t cost you anything other than a trade
Stays at around 90-100 and becomes your cheapest M8 on record and saves a trade
Goes at 100-120 and becomes a keeper, saves a trade and you have a gun.
Picking a 495k who isn't a keeper is a bust as far as I'm concerned. So two out of those three options are no good to me.
You've got to take into account
- Never been tagged. Likely to at least a few times this year.
- Young players often tire as the year goes on, hasn't played more than 4 consecutive games.
- Coming off a serious injury players often have a slow start, a shoulder injury is especially likely to impact a contested ball winner as well, just look at Cripps last year.
I have no idea how is one of the most popular picks.
I think it is a very much heart over head pick.
I’m sure a lot of players are rooting for Rowelly! I know I am!
Quote from: dmac07 on February 02, 2021, 04:17:18 PM
Quote from: Peter on January 07, 2021, 08:04:10 AM
IMO very simple: 3 ways he can go -
Tanks and only goes at around 70-80 (his price or worse); you unload him for a fallen premium and hasn’t cost you anything other than a trade
Stays at around 90-100 and becomes your cheapest M8 on record and saves a trade
Goes at 100-120 and becomes a keeper, saves a trade and you have a gun.
Picking a 495k who isn't a keeper is a bust as far as I'm concerned. So two out of those three options are no good to me.
You've got to take into account
- Never been tagged. Likely to at least a few times this year.
- Young players often tire as the year goes on, hasn't played more than 4 consecutive games.
- Coming off a serious injury players often have a slow start, a shoulder injury is especially likely to impact a contested ball winner as well, just look at Cripps last year.
I have no idea how is one of the most popular picks.
with you dmac, a rational review highlights more potential downsides than upsides. he might be a unicorn but unlikely. still the kid is that good it hurts if he comes out and avgs 130-140 for first 8 games in 2021. i dont see him making keeper status this year and will need to be traded at some stage
I really like Zerrett in his contract year. We've seen countless players in their contract year go crazy lately. One of the best kicks in the comp. Just racks up the pill. Can see 120+.
Quote from: hawkers65 on February 08, 2021, 03:53:36 PM
I really like Zerrett in his contract year. We've seen countless players in their contract year go crazy lately. One of the best kicks in the comp. Just racks up the pill. Can see 120+.
Has the runs on the board and can go big. Likely to be one of the best mids again.
No issues with his role and has one of the better records with regards to durability, pre-season status etc.
His bye coincides with Carlton, Western Bulldogs, Hawthorn, WCE and Richmond. When looking at those teams’ midfield line ups the SC players one might consider are the host of WB players who may be avoided given the uncertainty of where they might play and how that will impact on their points, Titch who had post season surgery and an a less than ideal pre season as a consequence, Cripps who had post season surgery like Titch on his shoulder, Walsh who is a second year player, Neale who is expensive but probably a must have, McLuggage who isn’t an absolute top premo yet but could rise further, the Richmond mids aren’t really an option and it is questionable if the Eagles’ ones are too but Gaff and Yeo have some merit... so to me having Neale and Zerrett alongside him works just fine I’d say.
Quote from: enzedder on February 08, 2021, 05:09:12 PM
Quote from: hawkers65 on February 08, 2021, 03:53:36 PM
I really like Zerrett in his contract year. We've seen countless players in their contract year go crazy lately. One of the best kicks in the comp. Just racks up the pill. Can see 120+.
Has the runs on the board and can go big. Likely to be one of the best mids again.
No issues with his role and has one of the better records with regards to durability, pre-season status etc.
His bye coincides with Carlton, Western Bulldogs, Hawthorn, WCE and Richmond. When looking at those teams’ midfield line ups the SC players one might consider are the host of WB players who may be avoided given the uncertainty of where they might play and how that will impact on their points, Titch who had post season surgery and an a less than ideal pre season as a consequence, Cripps who had post season surgery like Titch on his shoulder, Walsh who is a second year player, Neale who is expensive but probably a must have, McLuggage who isn’t an absolute top premo yet but could rise further, the Richmond mids aren’t really an option and it is questionable if the Eagles’ ones are too but Gaff and Yeo have some merit... so to me having Neale and Zerrett alongside him works just fine I’d say.
To be honest, the only flaw for Merrett for me was the bye as I see both Neale and Crippa as must haves. Even when I had Crippa out for a little while it was for Walsh so bye is always an issue having 3 out of your 4/5 gun mids out.
The other thing is since his original breakout year there's always been something wrong or that has interrupted him. Has gotten unlucky with concussions and what not. I just feel like he's due one year where everything clicks and what better year to do it when you have all other Melbourne clubs sniffing around. I can see us Hawks going after him very hard.
Quote from: hawkers65 on February 08, 2021, 03:53:36 PM
I really like Zerrett in his contract year. We've seen countless players in their contract year go crazy lately. One of the best kicks in the comp. Just racks up the pill. Can see 120+.
We have seen a few players spud it up in contract year as well recently.....like JCameron & BCrouch last year....I think Sloane was a bit below par as well if I remember correctly - and he stayed
If he signs before Rd 1 (already said he wont) then I would get him in no worries....
Quote from: hawkers65 on February 08, 2021, 05:26:26 PM
Quote from: enzedder on February 08, 2021, 05:09:12 PM
Quote from: hawkers65 on February 08, 2021, 03:53:36 PM
I really like Zerrett in his contract year. We've seen countless players in their contract year go crazy lately. One of the best kicks in the comp. Just racks up the pill. Can see 120+.
Has the runs on the board and can go big. Likely to be one of the best mids again.
No issues with his role and has one of the better records with regards to durability, pre-season status etc.
His bye coincides with Carlton, Western Bulldogs, Hawthorn, WCE and Richmond. When looking at those teams’ midfield line ups the SC players one might consider are the host of WB players who may be avoided given the uncertainty of where they might play and how that will impact on their points, Titch who had post season surgery and an a less than ideal pre season as a consequence, Cripps who had post season surgery like Titch on his shoulder, Walsh who is a second year player, Neale who is expensive but probably a must have, McLuggage who isn’t an absolute top premo yet but could rise further, the Richmond mids aren’t really an option and it is questionable if the Eagles’ ones are too but Gaff and Yeo have some merit... so to me having Neale and Zerrett alongside him works just fine I’d say.
To be honest, the only flaw for Merrett for me was the bye as I see both Neale and Crippa as must haves. Even when I had Crippa out for a little while it was for Walsh so bye is always an issue having 3 out of your 4/5 gun mids out.
The other thing is since his original breakout year there's always been something wrong or that has interrupted him. Has gotten unlucky with concussions and what not. I just feel like he's due one year where everything clicks and what better year to do it when you have all other Melbourne clubs sniffing around. I can see us Hawks going after him very hard.
Zerrett lock. Simples
Zerrett set and forget soon as SC opened for me.
It's interesting that so many in here are locking him away yet he's only in 7% of teams. Should be a stella POD.
Quote from: hawkers65 on February 10, 2021, 01:24:13 PM
It's interesting that so many in here are locking him away yet he's only in 7% of teams. Should be a stella POD.
Have you not learned yet that some players that are talked up here does not equate to greater ownership.
Josh Kelly
Stephen Rabbit
Tim Taranto
Callan Ward
Tom Green
All ridiculously underpriced and represent huge value. They don't have to share the middle with shower players who just steal midfield minutes but will never amount to anything like Hately and Caldwell anymore.
Quote from: ///////////////////////// on February 11, 2021, 01:42:39 AM
Josh Kelly
Stephen Rabbit
Tim Taranto
Callan Ward
Tom Green
All ridiculously underpriced and represent huge value. They don't have to share the middle with shower players who just steal midfield minutes but will never amount to anything like Hately and Caldwell anymore.
Kelly, Taranto and Green the only ones worth looking at. Kelly too injured-prone and Green is a wait and see.
Quote from: Samsturmfels on February 14, 2021, 03:22:21 PM
Quote from: ///////////////////////// on February 11, 2021, 01:42:39 AM
Josh Kelly
Stephen Rabbit
Tim Taranto
Callan Ward
Tom Green
All ridiculously underpriced and represent huge value. They don't have to share the middle with shower players who just steal midfield minutes but will never amount to anything like Hately and Caldwell anymore.
Kelly, Taranto and Green the only ones worth looking at. Kelly too injured-prone and Green is a wait and see.
well said sam
Lachie Neale priced at a 130 average and has had a very interrupted preseason now missing both intra-club games. He also played close to 100% TOG last year with the shortened 1/4's. You'd expect this to drop back down to 90%. Anyone else liking the extra 70k on a Steele or even up to 200k on an underpriced premo like Cripps?
Quote from: hawkers65 on February 16, 2021, 03:43:28 PM
Lachie Neale priced at a 130 average and has had a very interrupted preseason now missing both intra-club games. He also played close to 100% TOG last year with the shortened 1/4's. You'd expect this to drop back down to 90%. Anyone else liking the extra 70k on a Steele or even up to 200k on an underpriced premo like Cripps?
No. Still intending to start Neale.
Quote from: enzedder on February 16, 2021, 04:05:55 PM
Quote from: hawkers65 on February 16, 2021, 03:43:28 PM
Lachie Neale priced at a 130 average and has had a very interrupted preseason now missing both intra-club games. He also played close to 100% TOG last year with the shortened 1/4's. You'd expect this to drop back down to 90%. Anyone else liking the extra 70k on a Steele or even up to 200k on an underpriced premo like Cripps?
No. Still intending to start Neale.
No still intending to start Neale.
Quote from: crowls on February 16, 2021, 06:23:44 PM
Quote from: enzedder on February 16, 2021, 04:05:55 PM
Quote from: hawkers65 on February 16, 2021, 03:43:28 PM
Lachie Neale priced at a 130 average and has had a very interrupted preseason now missing both intra-club games. He also played close to 100% TOG last year with the shortened 1/4's. You'd expect this to drop back down to 90%. Anyone else liking the extra 70k on a Steele or even up to 200k on an underpriced premo like Cripps?
No. Still intending to start Neale.
No still intending to start Neale.
Nothing to add ... starting Neale
Quote from: enzedder on February 16, 2021, 04:05:55 PM
Quote from: hawkers65 on February 16, 2021, 03:43:28 PM
Lachie Neale priced at a 130 average and has had a very interrupted preseason now missing both intra-club games. He also played close to 100% TOG last year with the shortened 1/4's. You'd expect this to drop back down to 90%. Anyone else liking the extra 70k on a Steele or even up to 200k on an underpriced premo like Cripps?
No. Still intending to start Neale.
Hately, Sier, Caldwell in same side too much?
Quote from: timtim on February 20, 2021, 06:01:45 PM
Hately, Sier, Caldwell in same side too much?
I'd say yeah, it's a lot to gamble on all of them going premo this year. Personally won't be starting any of them though.
Quote from: RoughRed on February 16, 2021, 11:47:53 PM
Quote from: crowls on February 16, 2021, 06:23:44 PM
Quote from: enzedder on February 16, 2021, 04:05:55 PM
Quote from: hawkers65 on February 16, 2021, 03:43:28 PM
Lachie Neale priced at a 130 average and has had a very interrupted preseason now missing both intra-club games. He also played close to 100% TOG last year with the shortened 1/4's. You'd expect this to drop back down to 90%. Anyone else liking the extra 70k on a Steele or even up to 200k on an underpriced premo like Cripps?
No. Still intending to start Neale.
No still intending to start Neale.
Nothing to add ... starting Neale
Today, for the first time since SC opened, I've taken Neale out of my team
I'm pretty sure he'll end up back in there come Round 1 (for the obvious reasons).
The problem, as I see it, is the lack of JS with the Rookie defenders. The way my side is structured, I need two starting Rookie defenders at D5/6.
There is excellent talent amongst the defensive Rookies, but for whatever reason the JS is low. Brett Ratten's comments re Highmore after their intraclub is what did it for me.
Marshall/Preuss out of the picture makes Gawn-Grundy necessary. I refuse to budge on Lloyd-Laird at D1/2. Neale is the only one I can downgrade and still end up with a PREMIUM player in his place.
... Allowing me to upgrade my D5 to someone with good JS.
So yeah... as a straight up question:
Is Neale essential? YESBut when you factor in the bigger picture, and the challenges this season is presenting... it's worth thinking about.
As an example:Neale + Highmore v. Cripps + Harmes/Milera etc. (at D5)
Potentially the same net points.
If Highmore has job security, I'm taking him with Neale every day of the week. Certainly, I'd be taking Neale/Highmore if I had only one on-field Rookie (I'm comfortable with three of Highmore / Jones / Wehr / Worrell / Chugg / Gould etc. to cover one on-field spot).
But right now I'm not comfortable with choosing four of these to reliably cover two on-field spots.
(If Neale was enjoying an uninterrupted pre-season, and played in both intra-clubs, it wouldn't be a discussion. My decision isn't against Neale... it's for the weakness at the bottom my team.... something has to give. And the fact Neale is fully priced, I'll just pick him up for what he's worth when the time comes. Maybe even with a small discount)
I'm not sold on this, and I'm not comfortable about it. But I'm less comfortable with the JS of this season's Rookies.
:)
Hi CD. You don't mention your current $ availability. Perhaps Grainger- Barrass and Connor Menadue ( haven't heard anything about how he is progressing since moving to North ) may fill any void. Depends on what you have to spend and where you think you'll do less damage with a downgrade. I just checked out Neale's ave over the last 3 seasons for the first four opponents.
Sydney 110, 100 66 Ave 87
Geelong 132 103 134/158 Ave 132
Collingwood 104 140 91 Ave 111
Footsgray 100 101 167 Ave 122
The only problem really would be offsetting Lochie's big point scores when he fires up and when, if and how you could trade him in. For the above 4 games last year in his first big season J Lyons scored 136, 88, 138, 138. Is Jake Lloyd a prolific early scorer ?? He's the one I've downgraded. Keeping Neale for now but if I have to find more $ , then we'll see. Cheers.
;)
Don't overthink it
Neale is going to be a Top 8 mid, and even if he does drop 100k in value that's still very hard to bring in during the season
Just pay up for him
Quote from: Sabretooth Tigers on February 22, 2021, 02:15:00 AM
:)
Hi CD. You don't mention your current $ availability. Perhaps Grainger- Barrass and Connor Menadue ( haven't heard anything about how he is progressing since moving to North ) may fill any void. Depends on what you have to spend and where you think you'll do less damage with a downgrade. I just checked out Neale's ave over the last 3 seasons for the first four opponents.
Sydney 110, 100 66 Ave 87
Geelong 132 103 134/158 Ave 132
Collingwood 104 140 91 Ave 111
Footsgray 100 101 167 Ave 122
The only problem really would be offsetting Lochie's big point scores when he fires up and when, if and how you could trade him in. For the above 4 games last year in his first big season J Lyons scored 136, 88, 138, 138. Is Jake Lloyd a prolific early scorer ?? He's the one I've downgraded. Keeping Neale for now but if I have to find more $ , then we'll see. Cheers.
;)
Pretty compelling, ST.
Neale's back in. Thanks for smacking some sense into me.
In skimming off the top for better insurance at the bottom, I've overdone it.
How many ON-FIELD sub 200K Rookies do you currently have ST?
I have 4:
1 def / 2 mids / 1 forward
Problem is, I currently have 6 mid-pricers in the 250K - 450K bracket.
So different from other seasons, when I've rarely had more than 3.
Looking at my team, it just feels... wrong.
Quote from: Colley Dogs on February 22, 2021, 11:17:19 AM
Quote from: Sabretooth Tigers on February 22, 2021, 02:15:00 AM
:)
Hi CD. You don't mention your current $ availability. Perhaps Grainger- Barrass and Connor Menadue ( haven't heard anything about how he is progressing since moving to North ) may fill any void. Depends on what you have to spend and where you think you'll do less damage with a downgrade. I just checked out Neale's ave over the last 3 seasons for the first four opponents.
Sydney 110, 100 66 Ave 87
Geelong 132 103 134/158 Ave 132
Collingwood 104 140 91 Ave 111
Footsgray 100 101 167 Ave 122
The only problem really would be offsetting Lochie's big point scores when he fires up and when, if and how you could trade him in. For the above 4 games last year in his first big season J Lyons scored 136, 88, 138, 138. Is Jake Lloyd a prolific early scorer ?? He's the one I've downgraded. Keeping Neale for now but if I have to find more $ , then we'll see. Cheers.
;)
Pretty compelling, ST.
Neale's back in. Thanks for smacking some sense into me.
In skimming off the top for better insurance at the bottom, I've overdone it.
How many ON-FIELD sub 200K Rookies do you currently have ST?
I have 4:
1 def / 2 mids / 1 forward
Problem is, I currently have 6 mid-pricers in the 250K - 450K bracket.
So different from other seasons, when I've rarely had more than 3.
Looking at my team, it just feels... wrong.
Sub 200k rookies on field, three. All in defence. Can upgrade those with 1 prem downgrade if it became necessary. Only have the 3 on field rookies all up in current team. Wouldn't worry too much about our mid pricers as their presence in round 1 will depend on how many more rookies we can introduce in to our teams come selection night. Cheers.
Worpel was BOG in the win over the pups today. You can add his name to the very interesting list of mids priced between 450k and 500k. Simpkin, Rowell, Taranto, Cerra and Worps. These guys all have the potential to well and truly go Uber premium status.
What’s everyone’s thoughts on Tim Taranto?
Everything going well, I could see him averaging 108+ and being good enough for a d6-d7 spot. Worst case he averages about 100 and makes you around 100k (more than a lot of rookie priced players will make you) and possibly be a d8 option if not a decent stepping stone to a super prem if you want to go down that path.
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on February 22, 2021, 11:01:06 AM
Don't overthink it
Neale is going to be a Top 8 mid, and even if he does drop 100k in value that's still very hard to bring in during the season
Just pay up for him
At 721k you’d want him to be top 3 at the very least lol
Could Brad Hill be a keeper at M8? Just $354,000
Quote from: Fid on March 05, 2021, 12:00:36 PM
Could Brad Hill be a keeper at M8? Just $354,000
Brad Hill is a trap. The new rules will suit him, but can't see him increase his average from last season up 35-40 points to be considered an M8 keeper. Opposition teams will be looking to lock him down as well.
Quote from: Fid on March 05, 2021, 12:00:36 PM
Could Brad Hill be a keeper at M8? Just $354,000
At that awkward price. The new standing on the mark rules should suit him and give the Saints more room and opportunity to use him.
Would be a risk but he's certainly worthy of discussion. Would be a POD.
Tom Green (351k) is the one for me at that price - young, knows how to find it and on the rise (11% ownership atm) and Caldwell (348k) is popular with others (16% ownership).
Quote from: Fid on March 05, 2021, 12:00:36 PM
Could Brad Hill be a keeper at M8? Just $354,000
Hahahahahahahahahaha c'mon mate you know better than that ;D
Quote from: shaker on March 05, 2021, 12:39:00 PM
Quote from: Fid on March 05, 2021, 12:00:36 PM
Could Brad Hill be a keeper at M8? Just $354,000
Hahahahahahahahahaha c'mon mate you know better than that ;D
+1 ;)
I see AFL information, trade rumours and results has made his way over to this forum
Quote from: Fid on March 05, 2021, 12:00:36 PM
Could Brad Hill be a keeper at M8? Just $354,000
Never avg'd over 85. Even with the rule change, I can't see him going 90+.
Anyone considering LDU and Dom Tyson
Quote from: whynot102 on March 07, 2021, 12:18:05 AM
Anyone considering LDU and Dom Tyson
Think you have to take Heppell in that range & I don't think another mid pricer would be wise.
I have Tyson sitting at M7 at the moment. My worry is that he is straight out when Cunnington, Anderson and Dumont are back.
The North midfield is actually really tricky to pick. LDU looked amazing but he is the same price as Cunnington who has runs on the board. I feel Cunnington is well priced and could be a M8 keeper. Then there is Simpkin who is primed for a 5th season breakout into premium territory.
Yeo or Sloane anyone?
Yeo is out with OP. Sloane may be an okay pick at his price but at his age is likely on the decline, seems to be picking up constant niggles and is still the Crows mid that probably gets tagged.
Quote from: Bully on March 07, 2021, 12:25:55 AM
Quote from: whynot102 on March 07, 2021, 12:18:05 AM
Anyone considering LDU and Dom Tyson
Think you have to take Heppell in that range & I don't think another mid pricer would be wise.
Heppell is way past his best and has a new role in the backs now scored 53 yesterday and played a full game LDU is in the next crop of mid guns he might not quite get there this year but he will outscore Heppell easily IMO I would even take Tyson over Heppell because of his price.
Quote from: shaker on March 07, 2021, 09:14:23 AM
Quote from: Bully on March 07, 2021, 12:25:55 AM
Quote from: whynot102 on March 07, 2021, 12:18:05 AM
Anyone considering LDU and Dom Tyson
Think you have to take Heppell in that range & I don't think another mid pricer would be wise.
Heppell is way past his best and has a new role in the backs now scored 53 yesterday and played a full game LDU is in the next crop of mid guns he might not quite get there this year but he will outscore Heppell easily IMO I would even take Tyson over Heppell because of his price.
Fair enough, so Heppell not playing a rebound role? Thought he might pick up where Saad left off.
Quote from: Bully on March 07, 2021, 12:35:04 PM
Quote from: shaker on March 07, 2021, 09:14:23 AM
Quote from: Bully on March 07, 2021, 12:25:55 AM
Quote from: whynot102 on March 07, 2021, 12:18:05 AM
Anyone considering LDU and Dom Tyson
Think you have to take Heppell in that range & I don't think another mid pricer would be wise.
Heppell is way past his best and has a new role in the backs now scored 53 yesterday and played a full game LDU is in the next crop of mid guns he might not quite get there this year but he will outscore Heppell easily IMO I would even take Tyson over Heppell because of his price.
Fair enough, so Heppell not playing a rebound role? Thought he might pick up where Saad left off.
He might score better than he did yesterday but if there is enough mid rookies I'd be going down that path and sticking the extra $$$ into another line or a better premo , there is no way I'd be using him as a M5 and using him as a M6 is a bit of a waste.
I'm a bit late to the party & didn't see any of Rowell's games in 2020 but 50% ownership? What am I missing here? You basically have to pick him as a keeper & the bloke is coming back from serious injury. What are the actual expectations here? I have him pegged at 100-105 which won't cut the mustard & even that is a best case scenario.
Quote from: Bully on March 07, 2021, 02:51:49 PM
I'm a bit late to the party & didn't see any of Rowell's games in 2020 but 50% ownership? What am I missing here? You basically have to pick him as a keeper & the bloke is coming back from serious injury. What are the actual expectations here? I have him pegged at 100-105 which won't cut the mustard & even that is a best case scenario.
He was freakish good in his few games going 80, 171, 141, 114 then injury 6. Love to see him back to that but IMO returning from a season ending injury coming into his 6th AFL senior game the risk for me is high
Agree with your 100 - 105 average by season end
But geez he was good!
The issue with Rowell is his tiny sample size, and now he’ll likely cop the tag every week. He’s also been put back a year on his development. I have Rowell in right now but might swap him across to Taranto, whom I feel is a much safer player and will free up 40k in the process.
That being said if Rowell lights it up in GCs preseason hitout next week he’ll be straight back into my team.
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The issue with Rowell is his tiny sample size, and now he’ll likely cop the tag every week. He’s also been put back a year on his development. I have Rowell in right now but might swap him across to Taranto, whom I feel is a much safer player and will free up 40k in the process.
That being said if Rowell lights it up in GCs preseason hitout next week he’ll be straight back into my team.
Taranto or Cunnington seems like a safer bet, both those guys should be good enough for M8 & they save a bit of dough. Think we need to take into account shorter quarters, this benefits rookies who usually have trouble running out games. Think Rowell will also get some attention this year & we don't really know how well he will play away from home.
Taranto brought his own footy today, feel like he's the man for M5. Won't get the tag, should run around and do what he pleases
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Taranto brought his own footy today, feel like he's the man for M5. Won't get the tag, should run around and do what he pleases
My thoughts exactly.
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Taranto brought his own footy today, feel like he's the man for M5. Won't get the tag, should run around and do what he pleases
I currently have Cripps M5 and Powell M6!
In saying that though Taranto definitely seems to be the pick of the $300-$500k players.
Could really take his game to the next level this year.
Bont/McCrae anyone
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Bont/McCrae anyone
Macrae locked, Bont I'll pass as Treloar likely to send him forward.
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Bont/McCrae anyone
Was hesitant with their depth and unsure how it would play out. It looks like Hunter has moved forward with Smith/Lipinski on the wings. It allowed Macrae, Bont and Libba to line up predominantly at the CB's. I was worried when Treloar would be back that it would force Macrae to the wing more and Bont forward. It's still hard to know how the dynamic changes when he does come into the side.
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Bont/McCrae anyone
Was hesitant with their depth and unsure how it would play out. It looks like Hunter has moved forward with Smith/Lipinski on the wings. It allowed Macrae, Bont and Libba to line up predominantly at the CB's. I was worried when Treloar would be back that it would force Macrae to the wing more and Bont forward. It's still hard to know how the dynamic changes when he does come into the side.
Macrae is the finisher & linkman, I reckon he's the last guy they throw around the park.
Good players score well no matter who is on the field.
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Anyone considering LDU and Dom Tyson
Think you have to take Heppell in that range & I don't think another mid pricer would be wise.
Heppell is way past his best and has a new role in the backs now scored 53 yesterday and played a full game LDU is in the next crop of mid guns he might not quite get there this year but he will outscore Heppell easily IMO I would even take Tyson over Heppell because of his price.
Fair enough, so Heppell not playing a rebound role? Thought he might pick up where Saad left off.
Looks like Hind has taken Saad’s rebounding and running role Bully. Had Heppell before but have taken him out for Tyson for now. Atkins may be the other I’m look at depending on how he goes tonight.
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Anyone considering LDU and Dom Tyson
Think you have to take Heppell in that range & I don't think another mid pricer would be wise.
Heppell is way past his best and has a new role in the backs now scored 53 yesterday and played a full game LDU is in the next crop of mid guns he might not quite get there this year but he will outscore Heppell easily IMO I would even take Tyson over Heppell because of his price.
Fair enough, so Heppell not playing a rebound role? Thought he might pick up where Saad left off.
Looks like Hind has taken Saad’s rebounding and running role Bully. Had Heppell before but have taken him out for Tyson for now. Atkins may be the other I’m look at depending on how he goes tonight.
Thinking seriously about ditching Neale so I can drag m5 up to an acceptable level. Taranto I reckon is the bare minimum.
Thinking of not starting Rowell thoughts on LDU
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Thinking of not starting Rowell thoughts on LDU
He's the right age for a breakout year, probably the most likely candidate in the field. In saying that, Taranto already has a century season under his belt. North won't be winning too many games either.
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Anyone considering LDU and Dom Tyson
Think you have to take Heppell in that range & I don't think another mid pricer would be wise.
Heppell is way past his best and has a new role in the backs now scored 53 yesterday and played a full game LDU is in the next crop of mid guns he might not quite get there this year but he will outscore Heppell easily IMO I would even take Tyson over Heppell because of his price.
Fair enough, so Heppell not playing a rebound role? Thought he might pick up where Saad left off.
Looks like Hind has taken Saad’s rebounding and running role Bully. Had Heppell before but have taken him out for Tyson for now. Atkins may be the other I’m look at depending on how he goes tonight.
Thinking seriously about ditching Neale so I can drag m5 up to an acceptable level. Taranto I reckon is the bare minimum.
I'm thinking the same. $100k can be huge this year more than any other I think.
M5 for me is currently Clarke, crazy how some of you have Cripps and Taranto at M5.
Must be paper thin forwards and defense.
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M5 for me is currently Clarke, crazy how some of you have Cripps and Taranto at M5.
Must be paper thin forwards and defense.
No, take Neale out and see what happens
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M5 for me is currently Clarke, crazy how some of you have Cripps and Taranto at M5.
Must be paper thin forwards and defense.
Who is this Clarke you talk of?
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M5 for me is currently Clarke, crazy how some of you have Cripps and Taranto at M5.
Must be paper thin forwards and defense.
Who is this Clarke you talk of?
Yeah sorry, Clark* of the Jordan variety
Also just brought Hunter into my team as well.
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M5 for me is currently Clarke, crazy how some of you have Cripps and Taranto at M5.
Must be paper thin forwards and defense.
Who is this Clarke you talk of?
Yeah sorry, Clark* of the Jordan variety
Also just brought Hunter into my team as well.
Ok was wondering why you had the other Clarke , you must have an abundance of 600K players in your team if you can only afford him at M5 or a stacked back or fwd. line I have him at D5 and only 1 gun and a mid pricer fwd and a couple of the bargain players and that allows a decent M5.
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M5 for me is currently Clarke, crazy how some of you have Cripps and Taranto at M5.
Must be paper thin forwards and defense.
Who is this Clarke you talk of?
Yeah sorry, Clark* of the Jordan variety
Also just brought Hunter into my team as well.
Ok was wondering why you had the other Clarke , you must have an abundance of 600K players in your team if you can only afford him at M5 or a stacked back or fwd. line I have him at D5 and only 1 gun and a mid pricer fwd and a couple of the bargain players and that allows a decent M5.
My structure is definitely more unique than most have
7x 600K+ at this stage
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Anyone considering LDU and Dom Tyson
Think you have to take Heppell in that range & I don't think another mid pricer would be wise.
Heppell is way past his best and has a new role in the backs now scored 53 yesterday and played a full game LDU is in the next crop of mid guns he might not quite get there this year but he will outscore Heppell easily IMO I would even take Tyson over Heppell because of his price.
Fair enough, so Heppell not playing a rebound role? Thought he might pick up where Saad left off.
Looks like Hind has taken Saad’s rebounding and running role Bully. Had Heppell before but have taken him out for Tyson for now. Atkins may be the other I’m look at depending on how he goes tonight.
Thinking seriously about ditching Neale so I can drag m5 up to an acceptable level. Taranto I reckon is the bare minimum.
I’m in a similar position now.
Williams out means I want to upgrade to Short/Daniel rather than downgrade and Neale seems like the one that should go.
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Anyone considering LDU and Dom Tyson
Think you have to take Heppell in that range & I don't think another mid pricer would be wise.
Heppell is way past his best and has a new role in the backs now scored 53 yesterday and played a full game LDU is in the next crop of mid guns he might not quite get there this year but he will outscore Heppell easily IMO I would even take Tyson over Heppell because of his price.
Fair enough, so Heppell not playing a rebound role? Thought he might pick up where Saad left off.
Looks like Hind has taken Saad’s rebounding and running role Bully. Had Heppell before but have taken him out for Tyson for now. Atkins may be the other I’m look at depending on how he goes tonight.
Thinking seriously about ditching Neale so I can drag m5 up to an acceptable level. Taranto I reckon is the bare minimum.
I’m in a similar position now.
Williams out means I want to upgrade to Short/Daniel rather than downgrade and Neale seems like the one that should go.
Yes mate, I don't normally overlook a definite top 8 mid but the other lines are suffering.
How is everyone feeling about Heppell after his pre season game? And how are we comparing him to Caldwell?
Proven 80s+ player, his last time scoring 80 was his rookie year off a HBF, looks to be playing a lucrative HB role again this season, looks fit and health however his score of 51 from 21 disposal was a mild concern in the pre season game. What’s everyone’s thoughts?
Take pre-season with a grain of salt. Bont scored huge in the pre-season last year as well and opened the season with 76, 94 and 97 before the huge score of 166 and a crappy 55. Heppell has shown he is an 80 player off HB so you can expect that as his floor. The question is if he averages 80 over the first 10 games will he make enough cash if they're all high floor low ceiling scores?
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Take pre-season with a grain of salt. Bont scored huge in the pre-season last year as well and opened the season with 76, 94 and 97 before the huge score of 166 and a crappy 55. Heppell has shown he is an 80 player off HB so you can expect that as his floor. The question is if he averages 80 over the first 10 games will he make enough cash if they're all high floor low ceiling scores?
No doubt he's a high standard deviation player but he's good for 115, possibly higher.
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Take pre-season with a grain of salt. Bont scored huge in the pre-season last year as well and opened the season with 76, 94 and 97 before the huge score of 166 and a crappy 55. Heppell has shown he is an 80 player off HB so you can expect that as his floor. The question is if he averages 80 over the first 10 games will he make enough cash if they're all high floor low ceiling scores?
When did Heppell show he's an 80avg off HB?
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Quote from: Mat0369 on March 11, 2021, 12:17:25 AM
Take pre-season with a grain of salt. Bont scored huge in the pre-season last year as well and opened the season with 76, 94 and 97 before the huge score of 166 and a crappy 55. Heppell has shown he is an 80 player off HB so you can expect that as his floor. The question is if he averages 80 over the first 10 games will he make enough cash if they're all high floor low ceiling scores?
When did Heppell show he's an 80avg off HB?
Yeah only a preseason game but Heppell scored 53 from a full game don't really see any point getting him if you are going to take a punt on someone Tyson for about 72K less seems to make more sense.
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Take pre-season with a grain of salt. Bont scored huge in the pre-season last year as well and opened the season with 76, 94 and 97 before the huge score of 166 and a crappy 55. Heppell has shown he is an 80 player off HB so you can expect that as his floor. The question is if he averages 80 over the first 10 games will he make enough cash if they're all high floor low ceiling scores?
When did Heppell show he's an 80avg off HB?
His rookie season
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Take pre-season with a grain of salt. Bont scored huge in the pre-season last year as well and opened the season with 76, 94 and 97 before the huge score of 166 and a crappy 55. Heppell has shown he is an 80 player off HB so you can expect that as his floor. The question is if he averages 80 over the first 10 games will he make enough cash if they're all high floor low ceiling scores?
When did Heppell show he's an 80avg off HB?
Yeah only a preseason game but Heppell scored 53 from a full game don't really see any point getting him if you are going to take a punt on someone Tyson for about 72K less seems to make more sense.
Well atm I have both in my side
Did anyone watch the Eagles game, what happened with Gaff, he had 8 marks & 16 disposals in around 80% TOG but scored 57
was he tagged or just did nothing with the possessions he had ?
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Did anyone watch the Eagles game, what happened with Gaff, he had 8 marks & 16 disposals in around 80% TOG but scored 57
was he tagged or just did nothing with the possessions he had ?
I could hear the game in the background and I remember hearing the commentators say he was being tagged and it was taking a bit of the run away from the Eagles.
Hopefully somebody who actually watched the game can verify this.
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Did anyone watch the Eagles game, what happened with Gaff, he had 8 marks & 16 disposals in around 80% TOG but scored 57
was he tagged or just did nothing with the possessions he had ?
I could hear the game in the background and I remember hearing the commentators say he was being tagged and it was taking a bit of the run away from the Eagles.
Hopefully somebody who actually watched the game can verify this.
Yep He was tagged for probably the first time in his career which was interesting.
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Did anyone watch the Eagles game, what happened with Gaff, he had 8 marks & 16 disposals in around 80% TOG but scored 57
was he tagged or just did nothing with the possessions he had ?
I could hear the game in the background and I remember hearing the commentators say he was being tagged and it was taking a bit of the run away from the Eagles.
Hopefully somebody who actually watched the game can verify this.
Yep He was tagged for probably the first time in his career which was interesting.
Definitely tagged. Maybe a function of no Shuey??