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  • m0nty 8:24 pm on December 1, 2008 Permalink | Reply  

    2008′s mature age AFL draftees 

    One of the things fantasy coaches always look for in national AFL drafts is the mature age player: a player who for whatever reason comes into the league significantly older than the 17 to 18 years of age that is the norm among AFL draftees. Think Darren Pfeiffer from last year’s draft, or Alwyn Davey of a couple of seasons ago. There are a handful of young men who fit the bill this year who should factor into your decisions. (More …)

    • Dazza 8:49 pm on December 1, 2008 Permalink

      You could probably throw Davenport on that list as well. Even though he is recycled he is still at basement price (as opposed to someone like Hislop).

    • m0nty 8:52 pm on December 1, 2008 Permalink

      Davenport will be on a separate list I’ll blog about soon, of older players who have been on lists for a while who are still at draftee prices.

    • Nick 2:47 am on December 2, 2008 Permalink

      Speaking of Davenport, I couldn’t find him in Planteam

    • Captain Fantasy 6:46 am on December 2, 2008 Permalink

      I’m very keen on Mitch Robinson, but I’m not sure how where he fits at a club who probably doesn’t need nor deserve him.

    • Chad 7:22 am on December 2, 2008 Permalink

      Davenport isn’t in the planner. Based on last year (http://afl.virtualsports.com.au/?p=research&pid=276) he would be a MID, 91900

    • m0nty 8:34 am on December 2, 2008 Permalink

      I’ve now added Davenport.

    • Chad 8:58 am on December 2, 2008 Permalink

      When the picked up Davenport they said he was hopefully a “rodan-like” pickup. But i dont know how he will get into the midfield.

      Cornes,Kornes,Shaun Burgoyne,Cassisi,Salopek,Rodan,Pearce and will Hartlett get games?

      Maybe Salopek will be in the backline a bit more this year.

    • Warnie 9:04 am on December 2, 2008 Permalink

      Yeah – Mitch Robinson… argh!! Just about anywhere else you’d pretty much guarentee him in your DT side at some stage this year. Could be play in Carlton’s backline?

    • Nick 9:36 am on December 2, 2008 Permalink

      Chad, Hartlett probably needs more time to develop yet. Obviously with a strong core midfield, a side can afford to carry a young player with plenty of potential, but in Port’s case I think it’s hardly necessary (especially when you include Boak aswell!)

      The comment about a Rodan type role came from their recruiter. To me that indicates they fully intend to play him. It is hard to see where, but Salopek is often injured and Pearce has done very little since his Rising Star win. Spots will open up.

    • XztatiK 11:59 pm on December 2, 2008 Permalink

      Add James Boyd to the list if he gets rookied.

    • XztatiK 12:03 am on December 3, 2008 Permalink

      “but choosing Ballantyne is a pleasing sign that the club want to start winning games now, not just warehousing talented kids for the long term. Perhaps surprisingly, Docker fans are not enthused with this pick.”

      The only bad thing about this pick is they could’ve left him till 24, and got Jackson Trengrove at 21. (come on, it’s Freo! They had to stuff it up somehow.) They probably would’ve even been able to get him at 37.

    • harry 10:38 am on December 4, 2008 Permalink

      Davenport could play as a HFF, Port don’t have great depth there.

    • Dolbz 9:52 am on February 17, 2009 Permalink

      Salopek drifted back in the Intra-club match, I’d say that’s where he’ll stay this year.

      Burgoyne and C. Cornes play all over the shop, depending on their opponent and Williams likes to put Pearce and Rodan forward. Kornes can tag, as can Cassisi, so all their players apart from perhaps Boak can go anywhere, meaning there is room for Hartleet once he’s ready and depends on how the other guys go.
      Rich and Dangerfield are much better options though.

    • EvilOverlord 7:27 pm on March 18, 2009 Permalink


  • m0nty 3:24 pm on November 29, 2008 Permalink | Reply  

    2008 AFL national draft review, club by club 

    Whodathunkit, it turns out that the media gets it right once in a while. The much-hyped late switch of Fremantle’s #3 pick from Daniel Rich to Stephen Hill took place as advertised, leaving Brisbane to get an early Christmas present. Those poor old stupid Dockers, when will they ever learn?! (More …)

    • Chris 3:58 pm on November 29, 2008 Permalink

      Not sure the point in the “Those poor old stupid Dockers, when will they ever learn?!” line. Seeing as another 5 clubs overlooked Rich, there must be a very good reason as to why Fremantle didn’t take the over-hyped, early developed midfielder.

      Anyway, Ballantyne will play Round 1. Doubt Hill will play straight away, he needs a bit more time to develop. Fremantle taking Hill, is good news for Andrew Foster though.

    • m0nty 4:07 pm on November 29, 2008 Permalink

      When do you think Hill will debut, Chris? Surely Harvey learned his lesson last year that you have to put the kids in early.

    • Chris 4:48 pm on November 29, 2008 Permalink

      I don’t think Hill is physically ready for AFL straight away. I think in the long term it would be better to wait until the second half of the season to play him.

      When you consider that Ballantyne and Suban will probably be chances to play early, as well as Hinkley, Foster and O’Brien. I see no reason to rush Hill.

    • Chad 6:04 pm on November 29, 2008 Permalink

      or are they forced to play hill because they overlooked rich?

    • jarrad 7:41 pm on November 29, 2008 Permalink

      what did you mean by the ziebell comment?

      i thought he would be good at s.c :S

    • Damen 7:59 pm on November 29, 2008 Permalink

      Hi Monty,

      Why should we stay away from Ziebell now – interested in your (obviously strong) opinion on this one ? ! I know it has something to do with Dean Laidley (doesn’t he play the kids – oh yeah, I remember having some new Nth defender as Emerg. last year and he seemed OK but didn’t get more than a game or two – is this it ?) As a utility/midfielder with a biggish body shouldn’t he be in the Fwd line on my Supercoach team ?

    • m0nty 8:35 pm on November 29, 2008 Permalink

      I don’t trust Laidley as far as I can kick him. I don’t know how far I can kick Dean Laidley… but I would like to test it out. :)

      Seriously though, Laidley’s history with playing and then not playing kids is well documented. You just can’t trust him to give kids a decent stretch of games in the ones in their first year or two.

      Lachie Hansen was highly rated too, remember… and remember how that turned out. :(

    • Captain Fantasy 1:05 am on November 30, 2008 Permalink

      Only thing is you have to expect the unexpected and Ziebell might be the future North captain once Boomer & Petrie retire

    • Hank32 3:35 am on November 30, 2008 Permalink

      Think you are being a bit harsh on Zaharakis. Hes a bit light, but enormously driven. May not play early, but will certainly play at some point

    • m0nty 11:22 am on November 30, 2008 Permalink

      I think Zaharakis is going to suffer from Ricky Dyson syndrome… fantasy coaches have long memories! :D

    • Scuzzlebut 1:13 pm on November 30, 2008 Permalink

      I like Laidley about as much as Daniel Harris likes him. Or Hamish McIntosh. Or Corey Jones. Or (from what I can gather) the majority of Roos supporters. In fact, does anyone like Dean Laidley?

      I had Thomson this year too.

      If only Zeilbell was taken by Melbourne. Dean Bailey on his draftess:”We certainly won’t be fast-tracking them just to get them to play, but I don’t see why they can’t. The opportunities are there for them and as long as they improve gradually. I don’t see why all of them can’t play next year.” (http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/news/bailey-urges-draft-gems-to-shine/2008/11/29/1227491900925.html)

      I will be watching Blease very closely in the NAB games.

    • Damen 5:23 pm on November 30, 2008 Permalink

      Blease may be a little light – then again Melbourne is desperate … Damn, I wanted Ziebel so badly – ticked all my boxes, but I had Scott D. Thompson last year and yes, Monty, of course I’ve been burnt by Lachlan Hansen … who hasn’t ? (in fact I may have even had two dips at that cherry … he’ll probs win the Brownlow this year just to piss me off !!)

    • Bob 1:01 pm on December 1, 2008 Permalink

      One of weirdest and most stupid reviews of the draft I have seen! Often you have some interesting articles but not here! Have you actually seen any of these kids play or you just taking your views from the SEN/bigfooty dickheads who have no actual sense of the game?

    • Nick 2:30 pm on December 1, 2008 Permalink

      Bob has his period

    • Dan 3:00 pm on December 1, 2008 Permalink

      Want a tissue Bob?

    • Scuzzlebut 3:10 pm on December 1, 2008 Permalink

      You can forget about Blease. I just red that he’ll be studying next year. And I’ve just dropped Hartlett from my team: “Hartlett, who was the Power’s first pick [No.4] in the 2008 NAB AFL Draft, completed most of Monday’s session, but will have to sit out competitive drills for at least the next month as he recovers from a shoulder reconstruction.” (afl.com).
      Sidebottom, however, just came 3rd in a 2 km time trial at Collingwood.

    • jarrad 3:33 pm on December 1, 2008 Permalink

      i cant find jason davenport anywhere in the team planner :S

    • Scuzzlebut 5:13 pm on December 2, 2008 Permalink

      m0nty, do you know if Strauss is studying next year? he’s > 80 kgs, a good kick, and pretty fast/agile. He seems to have avoided a lot of the press but, as you said, might play early in the year (if he’s not studying).

    • m0nty 5:19 pm on December 2, 2008 Permalink

      I don’t have a list of studying draftees, Scuzzlebut. That would be a handy list to have, though.

    • Big Jim 10:27 am on December 3, 2008 Permalink

      hey monty – this may be a stupid question, but does the fact a player is delisted and re-drafted by another club effect their price? or does that not matter?

    • m0nty 10:52 am on December 3, 2008 Permalink

      No Jim, it doesn’t matter unless they’re drafted in the top 10. If they’re rookied after being drafted in a previous year and they haven’t played any games, they do drop to rookie price though, I think.

    • Scuzzlebut 11:44 am on December 3, 2008 Permalink

  • m0nty 7:44 pm on November 19, 2008 Permalink  

    2009 AFL Draft rookie positional drill-down 

    We won’t have the official Champion Data player classifications until the AFL Prospectus comes out in January, but it’s possible to take some educated guesses at what the top draft prospects will be based on Champion’s own guidelines… so let’s cross-reference a projected list with my recent post on rookies’ first one and three games to look for some value. (More …)

    • Max 8:01 am on November 20, 2008 Permalink

      Im wondering about Jamie Sheahan he played for Vic Country against Tassie earlier this year and he looked good what are your thoughts on him?

    • Chad 8:48 am on November 20, 2008 Permalink

      Interesting read Monty. For that 3rd ruck will look at nic nat/vickery, who are you looking at for the 2nd-3rd year player at basement price? Please don’t say Max Bailey :)

    • Big Jim 9:31 am on November 20, 2008 Permalink

      Excellent insight, cheers Monty. Michael Gugliotta is an interesting one – is 196cm, but finished 6th in the 3k and 10th in the vertical leap at draft camp, and can be played on a wing as has a good tank. If drafted by the right team and allowed to play on a wing, could be a smoky as a second bench player option if listed as a back.

    • m0nty 10:17 am on November 20, 2008 Permalink

      The two Swans rucks White and Currie are currently my favourites, Chad. Also could be some value in Sellar given how Adelaide have so many forward injuries.

    • Chad 11:41 am on November 20, 2008 Permalink

      I was pondering similar monty. if i went currie and Orreal hopefully one of those guys would get a game to cover cox or hamish if needed. That saves me 40 grand on nic nat.

      although there is white/currie/orreal knowing my luck i would get the 2 that dont get games.

    • Chad 11:52 am on November 20, 2008 Permalink

      Looking at it last year, Cox and simmonds were #1 and #2 and played all 22 games. in hind sight if we knew this would have bought a couple of 72k players rather than the 123k on kruzer to cover. That 50k is a fair chunk of money. So now that you mention it, makes me think about if nic nat would be wasted money.

    • Al 9:32 pm on November 22, 2008 Permalink

      I’m tossing up between Nic Nat and Vickery for the 3rd ruck spot but Im gonna wait to see who picks them up and find out the respective prices before I can decide.

      Im really keen on McKernan as my 4th. Freo are rumored to be eager to use their second rounder on him if he slips that far. If this happens he will be freos second ruckman, should get some good game time. Thoughts?

    • Chad 9:48 am on November 24, 2008 Permalink

      Nic Nat will surely go to west coast. Im getting Nic Nat over Vickery because im not sure if lade/brogan will take time from vickery and nic nat will cover for Cox if he gets injured.

  • m0nty 7:54 pm on November 8, 2008 Permalink  

    Debut game fantasy averages: smalls beat talls 

    I’ve been assuming for the purposes of the Fanplanner feature on FanFooty that draftees and rookies playing their first game of senior AFL football are going to score 50 fantasy points… let’s look at some historical data to see if that’s true. (More …)

    • Junior boi 9:08 pm on November 8, 2008 Permalink

      What do you do for a living M0nty? Do your kids/wife ever see you? :O

      Top work btw

    • m0nty 9:26 pm on November 8, 2008 Permalink

      You guys are my family, JB. :D

    • XztatiK 12:10 am on November 9, 2008 Permalink


      Imagine if they classified Sidebottom as a MID/DEF.mmmmmmm.

    • Chad 12:17 pm on November 9, 2008 Permalink

      Interesting read. Certainly looking at the small players. Rioli and Josh Hill were great last year. Sidebottom as a DEF would be awesome, but cant see it happening unfortunately. Dont think Goodes will be forward either.

    • dylan 6:07 pm on November 12, 2008 Permalink

      i hope sidebottom is a defender because when i was reading about him he said he plays a fair few games in defence.

      also what do u guys think of Talor Walker from adelaide? he had a good year in the sanfl but im not too sure how he will go if he gets a game in the adelaide side.

  • m0nty 2:02 pm on November 7, 2008 Permalink  

    Transition to power: positional battles in 2009 

    As Barack Obama prepares to take over as the next US President from George W. Bush, there are a few more power shifts on the minds of fantasy coaches this off-season, with older players looking like they will give up their spots in the senior 22 to younger upstarts… with a few at the Power! (More …)

    • XztatiK 2:53 pm on November 7, 2008 Permalink

      Now that Nathan Bassett’s retired and Kris Massie’s wrongly delisted, There is a free spot for a third key in Adelaide’s backline. I expect Scott Stevens to play more up forward, and he’s more of a CHB/HBF when in defence anyway, so that leaves a spot for either Aaron Kite or Greg Gallman. Kite played a full season of league footy for Norwood last year after being a bottom-aged draft pick at #71. He is far ahead of Gallman at this stage and could easily play in round one if he shows good NAB form. He’s 190cm and 80kg and plays a bit like Sam Fisher if I had to make a comparison. Could be a solid bench defender.

      Not sure what you see in Brogan, m0nty. Don’t forget he’s nearing the end too (will be 30 at rd.1). I don’t see much improvement there at all.

    • m0nty 2:57 pm on November 7, 2008 Permalink

      Simmonds was older than Brogan this year and he did well, X. It’s a matter of opportunity and TOG.

    • Dazza 3:16 pm on November 7, 2008 Permalink

      Monty, Simmonds had already proven that he was DT gun in 2006. His 2008 scores weren’t him benifitting from more opportunity but just him relishing an injury free year. For me to consider Brogan I would want Lade out of the picture entirely (injured/retired) and have Brogan carrying a young ruck through his first year (ie large TOG). As far as I’m concerned Brogan hasn’t proven himself as a DT’er so shouldn’t be compared to Simmonds. Incidently, I rate Simmonds as a good pick for 2009. He has always been exceptionally durable (rare for a ruckman) and could score a bit better in an improving Tigs side.

    • Chad 3:20 pm on November 7, 2008 Permalink

      Great stuff Monty. Wish marlon was the ibbotson this year, but i just dont know how we can fit him into the team when we get players like Chad Cornes, and Salopek back in the backline.

      Will be interesting to see what Port do with the rucks. Do they go to brogan and vickery as starting ruckmen and have lade as a reserve incase of injury? or does Lade and Brogan go around again and make Vickey wait? #4 is the highest pick port adelaide has ever had (wish we got 1.4 what the gold coast team gets) so im sure they will want to get games into vickery.

      Jack Riewoldt is still one i am not sure about. i mentioned him earlier. I have Goodes in my forward line, and i’m thinking if he isn’t classified as a forward i might have to change to Lockyer. Whats your thoughts on Lockyer Monty? Very durable, 2007 averaged 100, down to 80 this year.

    • m0nty 3:22 pm on November 7, 2008 Permalink

      We shall see on Brogan, Dazza. I reckon he’ll ruck with Vickery in the NAB and get a heap of interest, though you bring up good points.

      Also on the Adelaide situation X mentions, the Crows coaches threw Myke Cook’s name in there as well.

    • m0nty 3:23 pm on November 7, 2008 Permalink

      Lockyer just about qualifies to be in this post, Chad. He’s another who will be supplanted by youngsters… Corrie probably.

    • Chad 3:33 pm on November 7, 2008 Permalink

      Lockyer would get 22 games tho i would think. is he a change to average 90? not sure.

    • Dazza 4:50 pm on November 7, 2008 Permalink

      I would stay away from Lockyer Chad, see if you can find a youngster who’s ready to displace someone like Lockyer.

      Monty, another one to add to the Essendon forward line is Neagle. There’s obviously zero chance that they will go with Lloyd, Lucas, Gumby an Neagle in the same forward line. I think Lucas will move into the backline and then maybe you can fit the other three in. Otherwise, Gumby and Neagle may fight it out for the one spot. I’m confident Lucas can bounce back this year, in years gone by he has been eceptionally durable.

      On Brogan, you’re probably correct in saying that he will increase his numbers but I think it will only be around a 5 point improveent – 10 points max (provided Lade is still in the picture).

    • XztatiK 5:24 pm on November 7, 2008 Permalink

      “Also on the Adelaide situation X mentions, the Crows coaches threw Myke Cook’s name in there as well.”

      Yeah Cook could get games but he’s more of a runner, i think we’ll still need a third KD.

      Agree with what Dazza said on Brogan/Simmonds. The most Brogan has ever averaged is 71, and that was last year so he is priced accordingly. Simmonds, however, averaged 94 in 06 and was only priced so low because of injuries on 07.

      Saying all that, I still have no idea who my 2nd ruck will be :P

    • Chad 8:34 pm on November 7, 2008 Permalink

      I am gambling with 2nd ruck, have Naitanui and Vickery at 2 and 3. Will play one of them i reckon and use any extra cash in hard to fill positions like backline.

    • Dazza 8:46 pm on November 7, 2008 Permalink

      Starting a 1st year player in the ruck will end in tears Chad. Rucks traditionally don’t score well in their 1st year and are generally lucky to even get games. They take a long time to develope.

    • Chad 8:34 am on November 8, 2008 Permalink

      Yeh might have to re think my backline and remove a premium.

    • Dan 11:37 am on November 8, 2008 Permalink

      You’re a champ m0nty.
      I was getting the shakes without my DT fix.

    • Chad 12:41 pm on November 8, 2008 Permalink

      Yeh Great stuff Monty, would be great to keep the blog going, how about a blog where you say who you think will be the top 7 backs, top 6 mids, top 2 rucks and top 7 forwards

    • m0nty 12:43 pm on November 8, 2008 Permalink

      I’ll hold onto that idea Chad, thanks for that.

    • SWB 9:30 pm on November 8, 2008 Permalink

      haha good to see the blog up and running monty, all us die-hards need something to keep us going other than cricket in the summer.

    • CC 8:19 am on November 9, 2008 Permalink

      G’day, Was it Matt Thomas who was traded from Port to Richmond? Who ever it was who was traded, who’s place will he be taking in the Richmond side? I assume he’ll be playing most games. Seems a bit of a wasted trade if you’re not going to play him.

      If it was Thomas who was traded, he’s still listed as a Port player in the fanplanner.

    • m0nty 9:13 am on November 9, 2008 Permalink

      Adam Thomson was the fellow. There are a lot of fringe Tigers that Thomson joins in fighting for a couple of spots in that Richmond midfield: White, Connors, Jackson, Polo, Oakley-Nicholls… not to mention Coughlan.

    • tom 5:45 pm on November 11, 2008 Permalink

      m0nty, didnt matt maguire already retire?

    • m0nty 5:59 pm on November 11, 2008 Permalink


    • dylan 6:26 pm on November 12, 2008 Permalink

      hey chad i recommend going for 2 pretty good ruck because last season i had sandilands and someone like kruzer and when i finally got rid of kruzer for cox my average went up 50-60 points and it was huge. i think most people forget about getting a good ruck when they pick a team.

      speaking about ruck cox is going to be very high$$$ so do u guys think its better to wait a few weeks then go for him when he drops? or u think he will hold onto that average like he did this year.

      big backfire last season i hoped he would drop but he never did so i had to do like 3 trades to get him in

    • Chad 3:32 pm on November 14, 2008 Permalink

      Adam Thomson i would think would get games. Richmond wouldn’t spend a pick if they weren’t going to play him. The problem is that he is expensive.

  • m0nty 4:24 pm on November 3, 2008 Permalink  

    FanFooty Guru: DT/SC point projection system 

    This is something I’ve been working on for a while now, and thinking about for even longer. FanFooty Guru is a set of numbers published for each round of the AFL home & away system giving a prediction of each selected player’s Dream Team and Super Coach fantasy point scoring for the week. They are now showing up in the Fanplanner pages and will be a regular feature of our Exteam and live scoring pages in future. (More …)

    • Chad 10:16 am on November 4, 2008 Permalink

      not bad. I noticed that the price of one of my players changed too. Ediriwickrama i think it was. Will he get games?

      1727, would be happy with that as a start.

    • Chad 11:15 am on November 4, 2008 Permalink

      Something else that would be handy monty would be a substitute. if you have someone “in your 22″ and you want to bench them at the moment u have to drop the 2 players then add the one you want on the ground then add the one you want on bench.

      What’s your thoughts on Lucas and Alwyn Davey monty? i am leaning to Alwyn thinking he can get more points under matthew knights than lucas.

    • Realist 11:45 am on November 4, 2008 Permalink

      Great addition to the site Monty, takes a fair bit of the guess work out of wondering if your side is competitive or not. The only suggestion I would make is to add a captains button to fanplanner. Give people a better indication as to how their side pans out.

    • XztatiK 7:16 pm on November 4, 2008 Permalink

      Could be handy but I think taggers need to be considered.

      What I would like to see is a record of who tagged who in each game of the season and what they scored.
      Ling(81) tagged Thompson (64)
      Rooke(48) tagged Porplyzia(99)
      Shirley(65) tagged Ablett(104)
      Douglas(76) tagged Enright(82)

      Something like that. You seem to keep good tabs on whos tagging who in the live scoring page during games – it would be handy to keep a record of and maybe put it in your game previews as part of a ‘last time they met’ section.

    • m0nty 7:26 pm on November 4, 2008 Permalink

      Chad, Ediriwickrama has to break into that tough Geelong side so I wouldn’t hold my breath. Has to get past Stokes, Byrnes and Gamble… though if you ask some Cats supporters that might not be too hard! I think he’s a mid-season pickup candidate only. I’ll get working on a substitute function. I’m down on Lucas and think Davey is probably overpriced for the ceiling you can get out of him.

      Realist, at the moment I’m assuming you pick the highest guru score as your captain so I think that should suffice.

      X, I’m not convinced that a system like that could work. I would only ever have incomplete information, particularly for previous years, so it would be misleading in some respects. Safer to just keep that to the guru nudge on an ongoing basis I think. On the preview, I do need to work on that page because there is a lot more content I can put in there.

      Phew! :D

    • Dazza 11:11 pm on November 4, 2008 Permalink

      X, I did a fair bit of research on tagging a few weeks ago (took ages) and the results are pretty interesting. For example, on average, the players Ryan Crowley tag score 20.60 points less than their usual average. Another interesting one is Stanton. When he was tagged he averaged 75 but when he was allowed to run free he averaged 118.67!

    • Chad 7:24 am on November 5, 2008 Permalink

      Monty, i thought Ediriwickrama was Collingwood?

    • m0nty 8:31 am on November 5, 2008 Permalink

      No Chad, he just got put on Geelong’s rookie list.

    • Chad 4:04 pm on November 5, 2008 Permalink

      Ah bugga, thanks for the info monty. will have to scrap him then and look for someone else :( dangerfield going to get games?

    • m0nty 4:31 pm on November 5, 2008 Permalink

      Dangerfield will undoubtedly play in the NAB, and his form there will probably dictate whether he is picked for round 1. I wouldn’t count on it though.

    • Chad 5:00 pm on November 5, 2008 Permalink

      So who are you looking at in your mids monty? (if you dont mind sharing at this early stage)

      At the moment im looking at kornes, scott thompson then rich, hartlett, dangerfield and Ziebell with Sidebottom and stephen hill on the bench.

    • XztatiK 5:24 pm on November 5, 2008 Permalink

      Dazza, great stat on Stanton. As an owner of Stants for the entire season I thought it would be something like that. He got better at shaking the tag towards the end of the season though and from memory he didnt do too bad on Creepy Crowley late in the year.

      Chad, I’m expecting Danger to play 13-16 games this year. I think the coaching staff are keen to prove he was the right choice ahead of Ebert/Rioli and Craigy showed a tendency to stick with his youngsters even through some quiet stretches last year (Mackay, Tippett).

    • m0nty 5:42 pm on November 5, 2008 Permalink

      Chad: starting four rookies in your midfield?? That’s very brave of you mate! I wouldn’t go that far. Apart from anything else, you can’t be guaranteed that four of those six will start in round 1… or that four midfield draftees will play in round 1 at all.

      For a look at a more conventional team structure, check out my post on the subject.

      As for individuals, Kornes and ST are as good as any options for premiums, though I’d much rather get one of the Geelong ABC brigade and then a mid-price improver like Hasleby or Reilly.

    • Chad 6:47 pm on November 5, 2008 Permalink

      Went Kane and Scott Thompson because of a proven history of durability and chad cornes being back will help kane (few more cheapies). Yeah 4 mid field rookies is alot, but at this point i would rather put a little extra cash into the backline (hodge, s fisher, enright,cornes,milburn and birchall in the backline).

      Reilly i dont consider to improve hugely on his past scores and hasleby is obviously going to be a risk. If i am going to take a risk might as well look at a rookie. It is 4 rookies in 22, but im pretty sure Rich barring injury will get 22 if he goes to freo.

      Still very early stages, need to see where the players end up.

    • Chad 7:09 pm on November 5, 2008 Permalink

      Monty, whats your thoughts on Troy Chaplin? “Future Leader” at Port, CHB and hopefully Chad Cornes might free him up? Not sure, i dont like any of the mids in the backline.

    • m0nty 7:14 pm on November 5, 2008 Permalink

      No on Chaplin for DT. Very marginal for SC. Key defenders are almost never relevant for fantasy premium status.

      The interesting thing with the Port backline is if Marlon Motlop gradually replaces Peter Burgoyne as the rumblings have it.

    • Chad 8:09 pm on November 5, 2008 Permalink

      Marlon will but for some reason is listed as a forward in DT. Marlon wont get enough games reliably though will he?

    • m0nty 8:20 pm on November 5, 2008 Permalink

      Depends on how much confidence Choco Williams has in him, Chad.

    • Chad 8:00 am on November 6, 2008 Permalink

      good point, will have to find out from the horses mouth. We did sign Peter Burgoyne for another year and possibly 2 years tho, so might not be this year for Marlon.

    • Kenzie 2:00 pm on November 6, 2008 Permalink

      Burgoyne is on a 1 year performance based contract , why would they put him on that and then sign him for 2 years?

    • elliot 10:31 am on November 7, 2008 Permalink

      what’s a good team score projection for SC?

    • Chad 10:49 am on November 7, 2008 Permalink

      He is on a 1 year deal and if he plays x number of games, then he gets another year.

    • m0nty 10:51 am on November 7, 2008 Permalink

      1900 is about average for SC, elliot. Highest is about 2050.

    • elliot 1:34 pm on November 7, 2008 Permalink

      thanks monty

  • m0nty 1:46 pm on October 31, 2008 Permalink  

    First-round draft pick fantasy value for 2009 

    Sometimes you can congratulate yourself for zigging when others are zagging when it comes to fantasy footy, be it though luck or good planning… or a bit of both. (More …)

    • marcus 7:30 pm on October 31, 2008 Permalink

      i reckon Gibbs, Selwood, Boak will all be absolute GUNS next year. im getting on all three from the start.

    • XztatiK 8:37 pm on October 31, 2008 Permalink

      Rance could be a good SC player.

    • XztatiK 8:40 pm on October 31, 2008 Permalink

      m0nty, offtopic, but what do you have to do to get in the EDTers?

      Any spots free?

    • m0nty 9:53 pm on October 31, 2008 Permalink

      They come for you, you can’t apply.

    • XztatiK 9:55 pm on October 31, 2008 Permalink

      how do they do that?

    • m0nty 10:06 pm on October 31, 2008 Permalink

      You’re on BigFooty, aren’t you? They’d PM you there I guess.

    • XztatiK 10:28 pm on October 31, 2008 Permalink

      Ahhk, yer I’m on BigFooty although I don’t post much. What kind of overall ranking are they looking for?
      Is 404th in the mix or do they go straight for the top?

      I still qualify for the rookie list, could be a project player lol :P

    • Virgil 9:29 am on November 1, 2008 Permalink

      I’m definitely on Cotchin for the upcoming season, I think he’s great value, as is Dangerfield. Ebert and Myers I think are good prospects if you’re willing to take a punt on them. Risky price like you mentioned though.

      I’m not particularly convinced on Grimes as of yet, but the delisting/walking of Chris ‘my middle name starts with an A and don’t you forget it’ Johnson makes him a much juicier prospect.

    • m0nty 10:45 am on November 1, 2008 Permalink

      That is an excellent point about Grimes, Virgil.

      XztatiK, they’re looking for (a) a little higher than 404th and (b) someone who has shown on the public boards that they will contribute intelligent discussion on an ongoing basis, since much of the advantage of being an EDTer is participating in the private board.

    • XztatiK 12:21 am on November 2, 2008 Permalink

      ok cheers for the info

    • Chad 10:28 am on November 6, 2008 Permalink

      Boak is a gun player, me being a port man i see him every week. Chad Cornes has said he thinks Boak can win a Brownlow one day which is a big rap, but im not sure about his “durability”. 11 in first year and 17 this year.

    • XztatiK 5:36 pm on November 7, 2008 Permalink

      The 11 games in his first year wasnt due to injury though, he was playing SANFL, i wouldnt consider that a major problem.

  • m0nty 1:13 pm on October 24, 2008 Permalink  

    160 minutes of maelstrom headlines 2009 AFL draw 

    Fantasy coaches look at the AFL draw a little differently to normal football fans. We don’t particularly care about how many interstate trips each team gets, whether they start with a home game or how many times we have to play at the new Jihad (sorry, Etihad) Stadium. For 2009, what we were most worried about was round 1: were the AFL going to schedule two Thursday night games to kick off the season as they did last year starting at 6.10pm AEST, which in conjunction with the 5pm cutoff for round 1 teams to be published led to the now-infamous 70 minutes of madness?

    (More …)

    • XztatiK 1:37 pm on October 26, 2008 Permalink

      The 70mins of madness screwed me up last year, but for a different reason. I was able to log in and make changes with no troubles at all, which ended up being a bad thing lol.

      I was stupid enough to trade out migh high draft pick rookies (Palmer, Masten, Myers etc.) for the ones who were playing round one (Geary, ScottDT, Bird).

      So hopefully the servers completely crash next year and I can’t make any of these changes :P

    • Chad 12:57 pm on October 30, 2008 Permalink

      Looking at matty Lobbe maybe and tayler walker as forwards. The power do have a good start to the year, but in the middle have 7 out of 9 games against the top 8 sides from last year.

      “Unlike other sports, it’s pretty hard to see that AFL teams have soft or hard draws”

      call bullshit on that monty, Collingwood have 18 games in melbourne every year. i wouldn’t call that a hard draw.

    • m0nty 1:24 pm on October 30, 2008 Permalink

      Yeah, but they get blockbuster fatigue!!


  • m0nty 3:06 pm on October 14, 2008 Permalink  

    Full AFL depth charts 

    After asking for comments on the concept of AFL depth charts in my last post, I decided to go ahead and construct charts for each AFL team. With the help of posters at BigFooty in a thread on the subject, I think the charts are fairly accurate now for most teams. (More …)

    • Rupe 11:18 am on October 16, 2008 Permalink

      Gallman= KD

      Vince= OM

      Douglas= SF

      Dangerfield= OUTSIDE MID!!! you’re in Geelong aren’t you? should know that.

      Ed Curnow= Gone

    • Rupe 11:23 am on October 16, 2008 Permalink

      White, De Luca= Gone

      Shurgoyne= OM

      D.Motlop= KF

      M.Motlop= SD

      Lonie= Gone

      Rodan= OM

    • Rupe 11:56 am on October 16, 2008 Permalink

      Scott D Thompson= KD no question

      Paul Wheatley 4th best SD? u hate him eh!

      Cotchin= Outside mid

      Jack= IM

      Matt Maguire top KD for St.K?

      Kreuzer= RU

      Cooney= OM

      Ryan Griffen is as much an outside mid as you can get!

      Beau Wilkes a bit higher thanks.

      Pendles= OM

      Brennan= OM

      Merrett > Roe

      Big effort though ;)

    • XztatiK 4:54 pm on October 16, 2008 Permalink

      m0ntyman! ignore anything that ‘NTRabbit’ is saying about the Crows on bigfooty, he seems like an idiot. Douglas is a tagger, he has no clue.

      I agree with most of what Rupe said.

      Especially with Danger, Douglas, Vince, Motlops, Burgoyne, SDT, Cotchy and Griffen. I swear to god I have never seen Griffen anywhere near a pack,lol.

    • XztatiK 4:57 pm on October 16, 2008 Permalink

      Do champdata have Griffen and Dangerfield listed as inside mids?

      They’re freakin lunatics!

    • m0nty 5:55 pm on October 16, 2008 Permalink

      I’d have to disagree on some of those Power ones, Rupe. Marlon played as a small forward vs the Roos, didn’t he? And Rodan is well-known for dodging his way out of congested pack situations, it’s his signature move.

      Scott DT played on small forwards, e.g. when he got toweled up by Porplyzia in that four-goal 3rd quarter. On Wheatley and Jack, I was guided by Demon supporters.

      I would strongly disagree on Cooney as outside, he was in the top 10 for clearances. Griffen I’ll agree on, as well as Cotchin.

      Kreuzer will be the Blues’ main CHF to start 2009. Pendles and Brennan are both inside, their roles have changed with personnel changes. I don’t rate Merrett and neither should the Lions. ;)

    • XztatiK 7:10 pm on October 16, 2008 Permalink

      …and Dangerfield?

      I had Scott DT on my DT this year (painful) and while he can play on both talls and smalls, I think they’re grooming him as the next CHB. Played on Mooney one night I remember and mostly on talls other games.

    • m0nty 7:46 pm on October 16, 2008 Permalink

      I changed Dangerfield already.

    • XztatiK 10:50 pm on October 16, 2008 Permalink

      ok nice, sorry i didn’t see.

      the crows one is perfect now apart from Bernie being an outside mid :)

    • browns13 11:29 pm on October 16, 2008 Permalink

      Nive work Monty but Rupe is right, Beau Wilkes should be 3rd or 4th on that list not last. and Mitch Brown, though i acknowledge he’ll play back next year, has never played an AFL game down back cus he played forward in 07 so how can he be no.3? Loving the placing of Hansen, mabye put him after Notte though =P.

    • m0nty 12:13 am on October 17, 2008 Permalink

      Okay, I shifted Wilkes. The Eagles hierarchy seem to rate Brown very highly in the press, so that’s why he’s #3.

    • Rupe 10:07 am on October 17, 2008 Permalink

      Why do clearances mean he’s inside??? Cross does the inside work and then gets it out to Coondawgfor the clearance.

      Similar story with Rodan and Shurgoyne.

      Marlon has been playing HBF in the SANFL and against the Dees and his brother plays virtually as a FF for Port.

      “On Wheatley and Jack, I was guided by Demon supporters.”
      Do Demons supporters even watch footy anymore? :P
      Nah it’s probably fair, his possesions aren’t usually the most effective.

      Vince= OM

    • Ian 5:05 pm on October 18, 2008 Permalink

      Cooney is outside defs.

      I would tip Marlon to play in defence next year and eventually take Purgoyne’s spot.

      Scott D Thompson – Key Defender.

    • Chad 2:10 pm on October 30, 2008 Permalink

      Ian, been said on many occasions publically by choco that marlon will take over from peter b.

  • m0nty 1:06 pm on October 10, 2008 Permalink  

    2008 trade week fantasy implications 

    A rather underwhelming trade week is over for 2008, with only six trades made. Let’s go through each of them and look for value in the manner of Jordan McMahon, Martin Mattner and Brad Symes from this year. (More …)

    • XztatiK 10:54 pm on October 11, 2008 Permalink

      “Ryan O’Keefe (86/21) is better for fantasy at the Swans anyway”

      Really? I was kinda expecting him to improve his DT output once he got traded to a team with a more free-flowing game. He’ll probably still go to Carlton in the PS Draft. It’s an interesting one.

      Agree with everything else although I wasnt really considering Krooooooze anyway.

    • m0nty 11:50 pm on October 11, 2008 Permalink

      ROK was only ever a SC prospect, and he’s better off there due to the Swans effect.

    • XztatiK 2:03 am on October 12, 2008 Permalink


      So how do you think his DT scores would be effected by a move? Carlton for example.

    • m0nty 2:33 am on October 12, 2008 Permalink

      Carlton and Essendon would both be good for his DT, I reckon. Probably not enough to push his average to top 7 material though.

    • Kyle 1:55 pm on October 13, 2008 Permalink

      Hi m0nty.

    • Frank the Tank 11:41 am on October 14, 2008 Permalink

      Yeah hey m0nty!

    • Shimmy Shammin 11:43 am on October 14, 2008 Permalink

      Hey monty I dont know you but HEY!!!

    • SAC 11:44 am on October 14, 2008 Permalink

      Hey m0nty, unblock me for next year.

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