monty, juddy is the best midfielder ive ever seen. dream team i would lock him in but supercoach he is going to be a star in 2009.

judd>Hodge always will be.

good work,

m0nty, can u make a thread about the rookies that r likely to play, and the chance of them pplaying???
cheers

True Judd will always be better than Hodge, but I have to agree Judd is a poor fantasy player at the blues and i cant see this changing!

m0nty you are a leg end. I can’t believe the work you do here. Thanks for all of it.

I can’t see who but Lucas is cheap enough for my spare forward slot in Dreamteam though - were you being positive, or is he just an old far*?

PS…
have Ziebell, Higgins, Skipworth already…

Not a fan of judd for DT but really Monty Judd is 2nd only to ablett and even then a 100% judd is pushing that. I think we may see him back to his best this year (just without the blocking WCE mids as you said)

My theory on premium backs this year. (feel free to challenge my theory)

with the tactic of the rolling zone going to be the prominant feature of many sides this year, good backmen are a must.

however

one of the ways that sides tried to combat this last year were to tag the most prominent ball winner and user in the opposition team. (eg, heater, mcleod, hodge)

we saw heater struggle to deal with the tag and his fantasy scores dropped dramatically.

if this tagging backmen trend continues, will the best ball winner have lower scores?

if this is the case, look at buying the second best ball winner from a team(as there numbers could increase.

examples
richmond(joel bowden cops the tag, j.mcmahon doesnt)
stk(goddard cops tag, s.fisher doesnt)
haw(hodge cops tag, birchell doesnt)

Any thoughts monty?

Whenever I read someone talking up the Juddsta for DT I pretty much skip over the whole post, curse under my breath and go wash my eyes out, with turpentine. I wish I had three hands so I could give him three thumbs down.

If Judd marked the ball once in a while his dream team scores would be ridiculous. But he marks maybe once or twice an entire game and hence gets ~90 for ridiculous games where he dominates as much as Ablett getting 130s.

hmmm, i have 3 of these 4 monty, i really hope u dont know wot ur talking about. i dont see hentschel as being a risk and saying that a guy priced at 122 is overrated he must be a pretty terrible player (his price will go up, hes a cash cow and gets traded early if he doesnt average any more than 65 or 70.
from memory lockyer had limited tog in a few those nab games, hes got big scores and some consistency if u look at his scores from the last few seasons.
but roughead is def a bit of a risky call. he gets traded pretty quickly if he cant some decent scores

Jdog, I have been thinking about blogging about tactical trends for 2009, with the cluster one of the main subjects of discussion. Those are good points you make, I’ll be sure to reference them if I do end up writing that piece.

reesi: you obviously havent been playing DT for long.

you cant afford to waste trades on players who might? do good.
look for players who will get a game each week and arent an injury risk
hentschel is just that. pay a litle bit more money and get someone decent(i suggest, higgins or skipworth).

they will both also have big increases in value.

‘His groin problems are chronic, they’re never going to go away. He will never be the player he once was, ‘

WTF m0nty. Dissapointed.

What are you disappointed about, Athomas? That he won’t recover, or that I don’t have faith in the messiah?

wishful thinking monty about judd, carlton just need a proper ruckman that is where the problem is. he can’t get his hands on the footy without taggers hanging off him.

OK fair enuf Jdog. i know u wont believe me but ive finished in the top 200 in DT in the last 2 seasons. but yeah ive never done that well with my trades. i dont look 2 get decent scores and play it safe with blokes who’ll get 40 4 u every week, i try 2 win and u need 2 take risks to win. hentschel doesnt have a bad history of injury b4 his knee reco anyway, although it was a bad one and he’d be doing well if he fully recovered. ive got higgins and skipworth already anyway, and i didnt ask for your advice

I’m with Athomas Monty, only because I so want the messiah to return. Is there anyhting better than watching juddy wrench the ball out of a players hands and then burst from a pack with players falling over in his wake?

On a more serious not where is Rich in this list? the next palmer my ass

ok so if roughead is a no-goer who else is worthy at that price?

over-rated = skipworth

it’s laughable how many people have locked this bloke in.
decent pre-season, but you’d expect that from a guy with afl experience. problem is he’s already shown he’s not up to the real stuff.
people expecting him to dominate will be sorely dissapointed imo. i think he’ll be lucky to hold down a spot long enough to even get decent cash

Ok,yes there are better players than judd for dream team.. But to say he will never be the player he was is a pretty ridiculous comment.. He is probably the most talented mid fielder in the comp. My money is on Judd to finish top 3 in the brownlow.. Youl see

I think that roughy will have an alright season.

It’s been said that Franklin will be playing more of a Richo type role and will be up the ground for a lot of the time.

Hopefully this gives roughead some more space and Hawthorn won’t always just look for franklin as a target.

An individual player whom you fork out your hard earned cash to watch them play ,imo is a superstar. Eg Judd,Kerr,and to a lesser degree Wells.However in D/T they are all duds.That’s right Judd the Dud.

Great stuff Monty.

Question: Are there any DT players who have not been ‘earmarked’ for either:

* The ‘quarterback’ role (backman)
* More time up the ground in a Richo role (forwards)
* More time in the midfield (the rest)

??? I think there is a lot of wishful thinking going on.

Monty - the Roughhead observation is interesting. Not sure I agree with you predictions on the fwd role, but concede he may end up back a little more if the injury run continues. The are arguably no standout picks in the $300 - $390 zone among the fwds, which makes life interesting!

Judd is garbage in DT because DT’s scoring system is garbage. Judd in SC wont reach his West Coast levels but will still improve on last season and will be one of the premier midfielders.

I have a couple. Hentschel and Lucas. Lucas is just such a proven scorer and durable. only need him to play 6-7 rounds. Hentschel i think can average 60. Which is great for his priace (and again only need him for 6-7 rounds). Would be great to downgrade Lucas or Hentschel after they have gone up 1

I’m not sure on why lockyer is popular either monty. he has played 22 the last 4 years, and maybe people are reacting to the bain pain of last year? I think it is also because he is now a back, and his break out DT year (2007) he was classed as a back too. His scores there were because of the role in the side though.

Roughhead is being overrated because people forget his NAB cup hauls were without Franklin in the side. Easy.

If you pay $377 for a guy who averages 90 (which I think he will this year) for the year is that not good enough?? Gee you guys are picky if you think thats poor output.

Luckily the game is played on grass and not a computer you bunch of armchair critic knowall nerds.Watch the game, enjoy it and quit over anylising it.
Do what you do every week C.Judd and give it your all.

To Jake,K.Simpson will average more than dud i mean Judd.And he is 22k less.

This is why Dreamteam is such a poor cousin to Supercoach. Our footy brains tell us that Judd is a star, no question. Yet with DT we need to rethink this & say he is an average player. It rewards peoples stat reading abilities over footy knowledge abilities. With SC he is ranked more approporiately & when up & running there is none better in SC including Ablett.

I would say the opposite to those baggin out DT, its easy to know who are the best players in the comp, just pick based on Mikes top 50..

DT you need to know who are the cheapies, the players who will get touches no matter what, players who tackle ect..

I agree Monty, Judd is a DT spud and people should just listen to ya mate.

I agree with you that he’ll never return to his best, so suck it up Athomas.

I repectfully disagree Korza.

The counter to that Eddie, is Bartel is a gun scorer and Bartel ahs actually won a brownlow. More than you can say for ablett

hahahaha geez fellas.. take it easy! its a bit of fun! if there was a perfect team we would all have it and wouldnt that be boring! how about everyone just pick ya own team and enjoying the DT experience.
personally i dont see why everyones fighting for their man/player on here. why would you want your competition to have the same team as you? theres no need to get yaself worked up if someone doesnt like the same player. if yas did want to go on about someone… why wouldnt ya promote the bad choices to someone else.
(this doesnt apply to the people out there that really are just trying to help people struggling to select players)
happy dting! footy’s back

Monty

Known you for a while and i cannot beleive what you have just posted in your blog about Judd.

His groin problems will never go away?
For someone who is smashing time trials down there at carlton id say his groin is fine.

Should never be Bought for DT ? intersting that he has avg 100 before he got injured and this will be his first injury free start in years95 in DT Lock.

Agree he might of lost a bit of a yard but his ability to stand through tackles and feed out contested balls Makes him a SC god.

its not like he is 29 to 32 years old Monty he is still very young and dynamite around the ground you really could not have got that little review on Judd more wrong IMO.

In SC it would be more a risk not starting him.

cheers Casha

Hentschel will be fine. He never had injury problems before his knee got wrecked in an extremely unlucky incident. He did have a few soft tissue injuries last year but that’s because his body was still getting used to the training and playing again after such a long break. He’s had a solid preseason and looks to be getting more and more confident every game. I think his first few games might be a bit scratchy but once he gets used to AFL footy again he will return to his pre injury form.

Thanks for all the good work Monty!

MOnty u did not say that Judd is over rated
U R over rated u fagelah im gonna sue your ass

@ Casha - my understanding of most groin problems is they restrict lateral movement. So even with a groin problem, he’ll still be smashing the time trials and doing ok running out of packs (ie. these facts don’t prove his groin is fine). But if the groin is not fine, he won’t have quite as much freedom with sideways movements / evasive abilities.

Who knows, but Judd, like Foley, will never be an uber-elite DTer, mainly because of the lack of marking and to a lesser degree, the hard tag. It’s not a criticism of Judd as a footballer, it’s just a DT fact. I think Monty’s point is well-made.

Charlie said it better than I could.

Casha, I’m with you on the Juddernaut, and Monty take three deep breaths, turn off the computer and don’t switch it on until the footy starts. Otherwise you will implode with nervous anticipation, and pick rookies like Hansen and Pfeiffer in the 60mins of madness on Thursday

I had Lockyer in before a ball was kicked.

Avg 101 in 07 and 81 in 08, and does that at a fairly low standard deviation. Has played four years of 22 in a row. I also picked him as I believe his stats will increase due to the zonal style of play that is becoming popular.

I understand your point m0nty if your critique is purely based on people picking him because of NAB cup form, but I think he will be a good consistent player.

Charlie Dont put judd in the same sentance as Foley seriously.

your understanding of most groin problems is they restrict lateral movement Hey!

And your saying judd can still explode out of a pack in a straight line(his trade mark) but can;t move sideways cause of his groin? and this will stop his scoring in DT and SC based on this.

Judd will be tagged this year no dought bUT he is as FIT as he has ever been and the Blocking setups at training will see him run free on many occasions.

His Mark count will be up as well with the style of game carlton are pushing to make.

JUDD SC AVG 122.00
JUDD DT AVG 98 TO 101

lOCKIT IN

Lets face it, Judd seduced us all with his skills and won a brownlow scoring 3 votes with 20 possesion games, great for fans who had a bet on him but unfortunately not good for fantasy. now throw on top a dodgy hamstring you have a massive risk and the season hasnt started. he is over paid, over priced and has nothing to play for so expect an average of 75-80.
look at carltons midfield:

Simpson,Gibbs,Grigg,Murphy,Scotland,Stevens,Hadley …. too much depth in the side to consistantly score over 100 and Judd will forever take a tag … good luck

@ Casha. No, you’ve misconstrued some arguments there.

I said being able to fly in TTs doesn’t prove his groin is fine - it’s not the type of test that would stress ‘most’ groin problems. I made no DT conclusions based on his groin, (hence the paragraphing).

On a DT basis, Foley and Judd share the situation of being far better footballers than DTers - as do many players. That observation makes no attempt to compare them AS footballers.

Good luck this year.

Thanks Monty. I was worried that my team would have no point of difference from others. I think I may have a good one now JUDDY 4EVA

Would Stokes be a good replacement for Roughy if i had the cash?

Didn’t catch many of geelongs games so am clueless :/

well done azza you are the only person with any brains on here. none of these guys should be bagging anyone because if they are playing afl then they are awsome footballers already.

judds 2006 dt average - 100 (incl 177 against brisbane) judd 2007 average up to round 14 - 99.58

Monty, his nickname is “Rowdy”. He’ll probably average around 60 ppg and is guaranteed a game, whereas Yarran at a similar (more expensive) price is not and will most likely at best average the same. Cheaper options are a gamble as to whether they play and again, will not outscore 60.
I don’t have him in my team, but I haven’t seen that much talk about Rowdy in dream teams compared to some. “Overhyped” is a stretch. Please get over this thing you have with Adelaide (Same goes for you Shehan, Walls et al)

That Judd 2007 (up till R14) is amazing considering he was injured during R10. Wonder what his DT average was for the first 9 games anyone???

Lockering him in? Coz he had a great average in 07, seemed to be hindered by injury in 08 so he played alot up forward and no Burns so more midfield action. However, I would like to know what his role was in 07 to achieve such an average?

Lloyd, LOL! I thought the same thing as soon as I saw the article intro! I was waiting for him to say “this year, banana’s will taste like pizza”!

Do or die for Judd in SC this year.

todd - give it a rest - Hodge is the complete footballer.

Jdog - good call. I think coaches are shitting their pants and knee-jerking to the cluster, they will over-react even further by tagging backs. Fisher will get the tag as Goddy will be more in the midfield.

andy - YES! m0nty should provide some alternatives to these could-be DT imposters.

wal - if that was the case, he would not have been drafted. Anyway, between Skippy and Roughead in the price list there its a bit baron.

Judd wrecked his groin when he won the brownlow, on R.Twigley, on behalf of all male viewers.

azza - I couldn’t agree more! If you’ve come up with a winning formula, why on earth share it and let everyone else get a free ride? Surely the genuine DT contenders would be keeping their teams tightly under wraps? I doubt those “revealing all” and posting like crazy will be serious threats. Free advice is usually worth the amount paid for it! Besides, choosing a starting team is only one aspect. Successfully making value-adding trades during the season is where the real skill lies.

monty, regarding your comments about tarkyn lockyer. unlike many of collingwood footballers tarks is much more consistent. he normally racks up 20 odd touches a week and is capable of kicking goals. but then again he will not be in my team

Ablett is over rated he has had one good season but that is all it was, not good enough to win the brownlow and didn’t stand up in the Grand Final. He is not a patch on Judd or many other proven performers

Munty how can u say Ablett is over rated??? he dominates week in week out and is probably the only player in the league who can’t be shut down. if he didn’t miss 4 games towards the end of last year he would have won the Brownlow no doubt! and as for not standing up in the GF, he was one of only a few Geelong players who did, IMO he was probably close to winning the Norm Smith

agree clint-84

Munty is taking the piss, surely that is obvious!
You are arent you Munty?

Where would Daniel Wells be considered in this conversation?
He is being talked up all over the place as getting ready to become an absolute elite on baller in 09 but havent we heard that for about 7 years now?

Do you take the punt on Wells again or go for Gibbs at a similar price?

ur a joke monty. every1 nos juddy has had an unbelievable pre season. he avg 110 last yr in supercoach with a fukd groin. he’ll hav to improve in both comps this yr

if only juddy took MORE than 2 marks per game. if he averaged 5-6 marks per game like the other elite midfielders, he would be a lock in most teams, especially supercoach.

what do you guys think, drummond or adcock for 4th back?

a: judd will cop first tag
b: his groin injury is osteitis pubis, very hard to shake with only way to fix it being rest. hard to see it not returning this season
c: if anything pick him in SC, not dt

What are thoughts on Paul Chapman?
Underrated/overrated?
Obviously injury risk, but gun small forwards and this new zone thing go hand in hand dont they!

best dream team players usually cop tags

the very best like ablett seem to shake them

juddy seems to struggle dreamteam-wise, maybe just can’t get himself enough room for dt

there are only so many good taggers in a team…so if you are going to tag a backman, then who will tag your midfielders

in a team like Geelong you’ve got to tag Ablett, Bartel, Corey, Chapman, Enright etc

Richmond is the same in Deledio, Richo, Cousin, Jackson, Tuck, Bowden, McMahon etc

so if you had to allocate taggers, it would still be on midfielders rather than backs because midfielders is more likely to be in a position to hurt you on the scoreboard

of course this remains theoritical

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i just wanted to say thanks for this resource monty it helped us greatly last year and will again i’m sure -

i just thought the many judd is better than hodge comments are pretty funny - Hodge is clearly a better kick, mark, goal kicker, spoiler, tackler, bumper and leader (on the field) - Judd is a better runner…

even better is Hodges 2005 SC avearge of 135.3 better even than Ablett in 2008 - it would be awesome to see top 10 ever lists, that is the highest average i’ve seen

don’t get me wrong Judd was a champion and should be very good this year but his best is in the past, it wasn’t as good as the true legends of the game and there are so many better players now, if you barracked for the Eagles apreciate cox who is amazing and Kerr who was amazing, if your a carlton man get on Gibbs, he is going to be brilliant in a couple of years…

anyways pumper for 08, hopefully i can get my fantasy teams cherry ripe:)

i have Trent Hentschel and now after reading that i dunno if i should keep him but who do i replace him with around the same price??? i already have skipworth n ziebell starting!

the Lollipop kids, How can you say that Chris Judd is well past his best, his groins are coming good and he is a spritely 25yrs of age. I know you will be eating your words soon enough

I agree with monty all correct.
Juddy is a good player yes but he is so overated in fantasy.

Man fanfooty’s gettin way too crazy! sooo many posts and the season hasn’t started yet!

“there are only so many good taggers in a team…so if you are going to tag a backman, then who will tag your midfielders

in a team like Geelong you’ve got to tag Ablett, Bartel, Corey, Chapman, Enright etc

Richmond is the same in Deledio, Richo, Cousin, Jackson, Tuck, Bowden, McMahon etc”

Hahaha yep, Richmond is the same alright

Lockyer was the only Collingwood player (besides Chris Dawes who played 27 minutes) to complete the game without a clanger, a considerable accomplishment considering he led the team in disposals with 20.

Stats tell the story
http://www.collingwoodfc.com.au/newsfeatures/news/newsarticle/tabid/5586/newsid/73321/default.aspx

Why no love for foley??

jeez- cut montgomery some slack. As for Brendan, Game ON

Brad… Definetly Gibbs over Wells..

Evan… Iv been debating the same dilema.. I think drumond is too injury prone tho so adcock seems the safe option.

Iv also been tossing up between Judd and J.Selwood.. Any ideas? Judds pre season form hasnt been special but he is a proven performer so im scared to leave him out.. Im talking supercoach here too by the way.. The superior game!

“Howie Says: 10:10 pm, March 23rd, 2009

the Lollipop kids, How can you say that Chris Judd is well past his best, his groins are coming good and he is a spritely 25yrs of age. I know you will be eating your words soon enough”

i won’t eat my words because i think he is a good player just no wear near as good as the majority of people think, probably due to a high volume of media promotion and saturation.

The problem with judd is that his fundamentals aren’t very good, so he relies heavily upon his professionalism, hard running, speed and competitiveness which are all first class…

this style of play is heavily taxing on the body and will be very hard to sustain with age and injuries which in turn will expose his lack of fundamentals over time…

Hopefully Carlton is getting their off field moneys worth, because kennedy and Masten would have been incredibly handy next to gibbs, murphy and co for the next 10 years, especially with the draft concessions on their way in:)

robert shirley is the best tagger in the league, shuts down judd every time, whereas abblett can sometimes get away

agreed Hamish

Monty,
Can you give us a thread on picking your round 1 captain based on differentials compared to averages, good or bad, against their respective round 1 opponents?

I heard on SEN the other day that Cox and Hodge score 10% - 15% better against thier round 1 opponents, Brisbane and Geelong for example.
It would be interesting to see a list of the most dramatic differences of the top 10 or 20 players that people will be considering as having as their captain.

Lollipops, this is the second time someone has told me that that Judd wasnt worth giving up Josh Kennedy. What has Kennedy done, he has played 20 odd games in 3 seasons and kicked 18 goals. Wow. The jury is still out on Masten…

monty,

Just wanting to know where you’ve finished overall in DT the last few years. Im sure you’d have a few top 100s but I just wanna make sure im not taking advice from a guy who hasnt got a clue and will just wreck my team. Cheers.

Youngy

Ok, so i’ve only had 1 other post but i’ve done a sh*t load of reading.

Monty - an absolute legend, i don’t know how you find the time for all your research/info/responses. Eternally grateful and to all others with your helpful input.

What i would like to say is i’m getting a little tired of seeing whingers over and over again who have no advice to give, or even an opinion but want a thread on this and that posted. People asking about stuff that really doesn’t take much time to look into yourself.

Give the guy a break… get off your backside and do some of your own research rather than just relying on everyone else to spoon feed you the info.

It’s easy for me to say that considering i have been passively soaking up advice but, I just wanted to take an opportunity to say how grateful i am and how disappointing it is to see a lack of appreciation from some people.

A few last points:
- Brent Harvey as captain* (based on last few performances against Melbourne and the fact he is just a consistent gun)
- How is it that Hassleby is so underated?
- Dale Thomas is perfect option for $300-$#350k mark, will soak up the leather this year…
- Beams is amazing - yes i’m a collingwood supporter (let the banter begin)

&

- My backline is stacked to support the rolling zone, heavy ball use theory (despite some mention of tagging issues)
Bowden, Cornes, Goddard, Hodge, Raines, Collier, S. Hill.

Wish everyone all the best.
That’s me well and truly done.

OK, so who would one choose out of Judd and Cousins?? If neither, who instead???

@ The Fone,
First of all, i dont think anyone here under estimates or does not appreciate the outstanding effort Monty puts into running this site for all of us to use as a valuable reference tool, sure there is definitely some friendly banter around, but hey we are all footy fans, what would footy be without friendly banter?
In case you are referring to my request for the captaincy thread please consider that I add my opinion at every opportunity when questions are asked, if my input is rubbish well make of it what you will, its just my opinion.
Monty is running a business based on reveune from the advertising dollar. That advertising dollar grows as the readership grows.
As great as FanFooty is, I am assuming that it is not a community service run by volunteers so it is not outlandish to suggest adding a thread that the readership may think is interesting and will add something to the site.
Ever completed one of those “we value your feedback” slips in a hotel? Unless there is feedback, both positive and negative you can not make any improvements to your business and will therefore not attract any further clients.

This from afl.com
It was beedin obvious anyway but hey its still nice to hear it from the horses mouth!

Knights:
“Skipworth will definitely play his first game for the Essendon Football Club. He’s been a magnificent story of resilience and persistence over the two or three years,” he said from Windy Hill on Tuesday.

im more then happy to take the gamble on judd this year, it doesnt matter, he is a star and stars always do well

@ Brad

Totally agree with you there. I do understand this isn’t just a spare time interest of Monty’s… and I wasn’t having a “dig” at you. Rather it was a straw that broke the camel’s back. I would be sure to mention “names” if i felt that person required singling out… however it was more so that we could ultimately have a thread on everything.

- What players eat before games vs performance
- number of player rotations vs team possessions
- how traveling affects the avg points of players across the board
- how many shags they got vs handballs vs kicks in the following game

As examples, i merely suggest that it would be more worthy spending time on a post that requires some greater insight, inside knowledge or has an X-factor.

I just personally felt that asking who to make as captain (Brad), was a relatively clear thing. But like you said, that was also only MY opinion.

*Good note on Skipworth… just read that myself.

@ The Fone
The captain question is a question i would ask for round 1 only and was asking for 10-20 players with very significant scoring differences against their round 1 opponents.
Harvey is a gun with a great average and at the peak of his powers however have you looked at how Harvey performs against Melbourne? Harvey’s average against Melbourne may be well down on his overall average so you might have a better captain option on your list perhaps? That is just speculation but is it worth checking?

By the way, the shags v handballs v kicks could be interesting, thinking that Keppler Bradley may have a serious case of blue balls based on the amount times he gets the pill.

lol - keppler bradley

Fairrrrly confident in Harvey vs Melbourne.
* Also mentioned on “Dream Team Talk 2009″
124,106,110 last 3 times played vs Melb.
Not spectacular but positively safe.

… i’d hate to think what clive waterhouse’s “pre game stats” were

Youngy: My best result was 67th in Super Coach in 2007, including a 2nd in the weekly. My DT has been cursed by injury every year, haven’t got inside the top 1000 yet.
The Fone and Brad: thanks for your support! On the captains post, we do that every week on the Coaches Box podcast so I don’t feel the need to steal the thunder from Calvin’s Captains over on DT Talk.

Judd over priced. If the reports of his fitness are true - He’s gunna be a gun this year.

See how the guy played towards the end at west coast? Even when he couldnt move fast, the way he uses the ball is very very clever. If he gets his pace back, just watch his SC and DT score sky rocket.

I’ve noticed monty, you seem to be hard on blokes that haven’t dont so well in the last year or so due to injury problems….

Some will repair, some won’t and some new ones will pop up.

Judd will be on fire this year…..

106 and 109 aint bad for someone nursing an injury like he was.

Let me guess Monty barracks for Hawthorn… one thing is for sure the hawks fans will never come to grips with the fact that hodge the amazing back pocket was taken ahead of Judd

sage advice monty. but give me lockyer over shaw any day - shaw burned me last year when teams learned to tag him and hey presto he would disappear. that said, i haven’t picked lockyer either.

how can you say lockyer is overrated? averaged 98 SC points in NAB cup which was collingwood’s best, has averaged high 80’s at worst for the last 5 yrs and not to mention he hasnt missed a game since 04 and cheap at a shy under 470k

Haven’t read all the comments but actually think Roughead will kick better this year meaning I think he will kick as many goals even is he doesn’t have the same amount of chances! I also think you will see him down the wing as much or more (possibly cluster busting related) and so I think he is still a great buy. Will hold his score at absolute worst.

Judd IS overrated as a fantasy player, he barely marks the ball. His glory days were in the past when he had the ruckwork of Cox to set him up and hard men like Kerr and Cuz running with him, blocking opposition and giving him space. In a team like Carlton Juddy doesn’t get enough protection or good enough work from the ruckmen to be the same player he once was. He will always attract the number 1 tag and he hasn’t proven that he can still break the tag well enough to score highly.

judd will prove all of use wrong, the champion that he is has had 2 bad years riddled with injury and club change and now that he is settled, fit and fired up for a succesful year with the blues he is going to average 95 MARK MY WORDS

hes finally got a good preseason in, over his injuries HE WILL FIRE especially with the gun midfield as support, if he is going bad in the midfield, he can play a leading forward

honestly who could doubt judd, he is capable of anything and if u dont know that u dont watch footy

jud……clearly monty does not kno much

If you can afford the extra 10 G’s I think Gibbs would be a much better pick than Judd. The worst thing bout Judd is that we all know he is capable of getting those 100’s and always pick him for that simple reason…HOPING.

Also Gumbleton is he playing or WHAT!

Lockyer is not overrated well maybe he is now.

He avg 101 just 2 years ago
scored 149 in NAB cup round 1
got the highest disposals against Geelong
scored 52 in just a half of footy

So he is still a good player and with the magpies increasing their disposals link up players like him will indulge in larger scores than the previous season.

lollipop kids. please tell me what fundamentals are??!!!! and why the juddman doesnt have them?!

Monty, Monty, Monty. My friend don’t be all doubtful on the judster son. I am at the ‘g now on my laptop finalizing my supercoach team and I am my own captain.
Dont be all worrying about the groin son, When I see you I’ll pull my pants down and you can check it out… but then again we already have Fev taking of his pants so I guess thats not a good idea.
Im off to McDonald’s now look foreword to me having no impact and my old bud cous laughing at me. chow

Monty, Monty, Monty. My friend don’t be all doubtful on the judster son. I am at the ‘g now on my laptop finalizing my supercoach team and I am my own captain.
Dont be all worrying about the groin son, When I see you I’ll pull my pants down and you can check it out… but then again we already have Fev taking of his pants so I guess thats not a good idea.