Review of AFL Premium Dream Team

by m0nty | May 12th, 2008 | Comments : [20] | Categories: Premium DT.

The boys down at VirtualSports have recovered from the poor start to the season - where they were very late in launching the DT competition and then completely failed to handle the 70 minutes of madness just before the first lockout - and launched their version of the American style private draft leagues, entitled Premium Dream Team. The mainstream Australian fantasy football scene has developed very much along the British model thus far, with salary cap competitions run by media organisations being by far the most popular form of the game. Premium DT is built along the template laid down by the baseball, basketball and gridiron leagues that were the germination of the industry in the US.

The first thing to note is that Premium DT charges $12 entry. They say that entry is “free” but you have to buy a PDF in order to enter, so that’s just semantics. The Web site only accepts Mastercard and Visa cards - no PayPal support. VirtualSports are offering $5,000 for the top scoring team and $20,000 for the top league ($2,000 per team), which raises the question in my mind about whether this competition is actually gambling? It had been my understanding that if you charged an entry fee of more than 55 cents - i.e. the cost of a 1900 call - it did not qualify as a legal trade promotion lottery, which is what fantasy sports fall under.

The upshot of giving out prizes like this is that plenty of fantasy veterans will have the bright idea of subverting the competition to try to win the five grand by shelling out ten lots of $12 and concentrating all of the best players in one team. It’s an inevitable consequence of the way that the competition has been set up, a bit like how the weekly prizes in DT and SC are often won by “Frankenstein” teams which were launched after round 1.

So, let’s look at the team structure. Premium DT teams are much like Dream Team or Super Coach teams, and this is where the troubles start. Unlike all of the American models I have seen, Premium DT has no bench. You get to draft 22 players who start for your team every week, and that’s it. No emergencies, no cash cows, no backup at all. You get three trades each week, and that covers not only the trades you make for undrafted players, but also the intra-team trades in your league. If four or more of your players get injured, suspended or dropped in one week, well… you’re just going to have to cop some zeroes. If your #1 draft pick gets a big injury in Round 10, then you have to either wear his zeroes for the length of time that he is out, or you have to drop him. This is very much outside the norm for private draft leagues.

I can understand why VirtualSports chose to make the competition benchless, because the draft is going to be long enough with 220 picks as it is. They have set each draft to start at 6pm AEST with those 220 picks happening every 60 seconds or less, which translates to a 3 to 4 hour marathon. With the competition launching mid-season and with only a fortnight until the first lockout, there isn’t enough time for most leagues to get organised to have multi-night drafts, and with VS choosing not to enable commissioners, there would be nobody to herd the cats anyway. Things are much easier in NFL, NBA and MLB leagues because they pick starting teams of 11 or less, and their drafts rarely extend beyond 20 picks. It’s an ongoing problem that operators of private AFL leagues are going to have to solve - FanFooty’s solution was to cut the starting positions down to 11, for instance - and whichever way you go there will be problems.

Perhaps the biggest deficiency in Premium DT is the lack of full auto-drafting. Auto-drafting is part of every professional American fantasy draft application, where if one or more of the coaches are not present at the time of the draft then their picks are made automatically according to pre-determined draft orders, usually based on custom lists or popularity-based lists. There is a 50-player “pre-draft list” in Premium DT which serves as a half-arsed auto-drafting feature, but that’s only going to be good for 5 to 8 picks, and for the rest of the 22… you don’t get picks at all. Instead, those spots on your roster are left open, and it’s a first-come-first-served system for those who log in after the draft. This is a very poor decision by VS, because it’s going to cripple any coach who is not present at the draft. If they have built an auto-draft system already to handle the pre-draft list, why not extend it to the entire draft? It shouldn’t be that hard for VS to prepare a default 700-player pre-draft list to use as a base, then the coach can customise it if they want. The system as it stands is nonsensical.

One other issue that is a perennial problem for AFL-style leagues is player positions. Unfortunately, VS have decided to use exactly the same positions as in the DT/SC competitions. 7 backs and 7 forwards are needed for each of the 10 teams, which is going to mean that your sixth and seventh positions are going to be a constant source of pain if you play in these leagues. To illustrate, you need to have 70 backs and 70 forwards playing each week for no one to cop a zero, which means 140 in total. In round 7 just gone, there were 110 backs and 98 forwards - 197 combined - who played in AFL games. Similarly, there are 20 ruck spots to be filled and there were only 30 ruckmen playing. Meanwhile, there are 60 midfielder slots open and 147 centres played last week. This has obvious implications for drafting strategy, which I will explore in another post. The main takeaway of this issue is that it’s going to be a game of warm bodies, and it’s likely that league winners are going to be the coaches who had the least zeroes.

Overall, I’m glad that the industry is moving forward to embrace the US model, but there is still a lot of work to do to hone the product for the widest possible audience, and to iron out those structural bugs. I’ve signed up, and I’ll be fascinated to see how it evolves!

Note: FanFooty has been running its own free private leagues for three years now using our own scoring system, and there are examples of smaller league structures strewn across the Internet for more than a decade now (see my short history of fantasy Aussie Rules football post for more info).

 

20 Responses to “Review of AFL Premium Dream Team”

Gor Says: 10:02 am, May 12th, 2008

paying to play fantasy footy??? screw that mang!


Cam Says: 10:10 am, May 12th, 2008

I believe legally that they can’t enforce a $12 purchase of something like a pdf download, without it constituting gambling.

Although I’m sure that they have been given legal advice first, you’d probably win if you took it further with ten high-priced lawyers or maybe even Lionel Hutz.


Bill Says: 10:50 am, May 12th, 2008

I think they have sidestepped the gambling loophole by announcing “entry is free… if”. It is no different to selling a paperclip for $1500, with a free grand final ticket thrown in. Entirely legal, but it shouldn’t be.


Phillip Molly Malone Says: 11:02 am, May 12th, 2008

As soon as I saw it I thought it would be worth trying to game the system. At odds 50 to 1, a good DT’er would probably back themselves in (even if lots did it).

I also understand why they did it part the way through the season but surely a huge part of these sort of leagues would be getting the guys like the Rioli, Porpz, Bock, Thorton (before being injured) before there form is exposed. I mean there will be changes from now on out but not as much as what happens at the start of the year.

Molly


turnofpower Says: 11:49 am, May 12th, 2008

but molly surely a few more players are going to stand up between now and round 22??


Phillip Molly Malone Says: 12:49 pm, May 12th, 2008

Off course TOP but not as many as there were at the start of the year.
Molly


Tommy Says: 2:20 pm, May 12th, 2008

http://dreamteamcouch.wordpress.com

saying the Brad Ottens could return!!!

Possibly a big option in the rucks?


Calvin Says: 2:37 pm, May 12th, 2008

Didn’t mind the blog at all Monty. With the path you were heading I’m a little suprised you are joining. I personally think its going to be a winner! I totally agree with you that there is alot of ‘ironing’ out that needs to happen for this more complicated system to work! I hope this model is used for the main one in ‘09 - but as for the $12, umm not sure what I think about that?


Rob Says: 3:27 pm, May 12th, 2008

i dont think many ppl are going to be able to burn 4 hours at once on a player draft, let alone coordinate 10 ppl to burn it all together.


benny Says: 3:33 pm, May 12th, 2008

Hi Monty,

You are right. This is just another revenue stream for AFL.com.au after they treated us like idiots & waited until the week before the season to open DT anyway.

Also I’m already in DT, SC & have a draft-based system that I’ve done with my mates for many years anyway.

It wouldn’t surprise me if they eventually made us pay a fee if we wanted to play the standard DT. That will see everyone joining SC or any other fantasy competition that is “free”.


Les Says: 3:57 pm, May 12th, 2008

I don’t mind paying, but the fixed draft time is by far the stupidest thing they have done.

6pm(EST) is a stupid time regardless, it basically means that any employed person in WA is going to be missing the draft, a fair chunk in SA will also be missing. I mean seriously, how hard would a flexible draft be.

I wonder if you can have a draft on a saturday because that is the only possible way that me and my mates could actually participate and even then we would have to not be playing footy at that time.

Piss poor management, but it’s been like that all year with virtual sports, so whats new I guess…


Chad Says: 4:05 pm, May 12th, 2008

Getting the 3 hours in one chunk is the problem. Why can’t you split that over a couple of days. E.g. have first 7 rounds on one night (around an hour), next 7 rounds another time, and the last 8 picks a different time.

The problem with this is that it takes 3 nights, but surely you could have an option to have it over 3 nights or as a marathon.

And for the Carlton fans, i think they need to have a carry over feature, so if your team is going poor, you can tank for the rest of the year and get the #1 pick next year :)


Shaven Says: 6:18 pm, May 12th, 2008

you guys have issues;)!


Mike G Says: 9:40 pm, May 12th, 2008

This site has been running this type of comp for years. go to http://www.fantasyfooty.net.au. check it out. Whoever sets up the league runs how long people have to pick if you can’t pick you pick players that if avaliable get selected automatically.


Rohan Says: 11:27 pm, May 12th, 2008

How can they offer prizemoney, wouldnt any smart person just play by themselves. Have one good team, with all best players and just make some changes depending on the fixture. And best league will go down to alot of luck, with so many players picked, everyone will get very similar points.

But it is an awesome system I use it for NBA, but prizemoney is stupid.

Fanfooty needs to set up a forum, so if people are short a player or two, or if they have no friends they are still able to play a leaugue.


Schnieldy Says: 10:03 am, May 13th, 2008

Yeah i was thinking the same.
you could have 9 donkey teams in your league and 1 person gets all 22 best players.

That would give him easily a huge shot at winning the 5k prizemoney for best team.


BrownBook Says: 6:21 pm, May 13th, 2008

I just wish the AFL would get yahoo involved. The NBA, MLB, NFL leagues are so so good…. not to mention free. But if yahoo were to implement a drafting, ‘unique player’ AFL league I’d certainly cough up $15. What’s more they remember your year-to-year performances across all sports, and league rosters and results are kept for posterity.


chris Says: 7:47 pm, May 13th, 2008

Whats the word on G.Ablett, playing or not??


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dribblle Says: 11:01 am, May 23rd, 2008

The Premium Dream team appears to be an exclusive competition trying to attract the serious fantasy coaches. Based on this, I think it is a great idea. I am not that serious, so I will not be playing in it.

I am curious to view the pdf publication, but would rather buy a hard copy (like the one produced by the AFL at the beginning of the year). Is this publication available as a hard copy?


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